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Dumb All Over 24th January 2021 09:04 PM

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rjh01 24th January 2021 10:38 PM

I would love to buy one and then wrap my phone it in and see if I can call the phone. If I can then it does not work. But I think I will save my money as they probably do not work.

Bikewer 25th January 2021 09:25 AM

But...... Aluminum foil is so cheap, and there’s no problem with sizing....

We actually had a fellow we’d taken into custody who had his hard hat lined with foil.... I asked if it worked and he agreed it was quite effective. (Amid incoherent babbling...)

Trebuchet 25th January 2021 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bikewer (Post 13373352)
But...... Aluminum foil is so cheap, and there’s no problem with sizing....

We actually had a fellow we’d taken into custody who had his hard hat lined with foil.... I asked if it worked and he agreed it was quite effective. (Amid incoherent babbling...)

Ha! I got a YouTube ad for that just an hour or so ago. On a sciency channel!
There was another one for a "tactical zoom monocular". Because "tactical" makes everything better, even crappy telescopes.

HansMustermann 25th January 2021 07:23 PM

Here's a thought though. Let's assume for the scope of this exercise that high levels of such radiation do harm your brain. Let's also assume it does exactly what it does on the tin, namely, reflect microwaves.

Let's also approximate the cap with a hemisphere or so, while you wear it. You can probably already see where this is going.

Well, radiation from the back, sure, it will hit the convex surface and be reflected away. Job done.

What about radiation from the front, though? Like, dunno, when you're browsing on your cell phone while wearing that. Or if you're paranoid enough, wearing it while using the laptop, which is connected to WiFi. Or from the wireless keyboard and mouse.

Right. That one hits the concave surface and is focused towards the middle of the brain. Exposing it to MUCH higher levels of microwaves.

Quoth the meme: But wait, I'm not done yet.

That radiation would normally pass through the brain once, a tiny fraction might be absorbed, but the rest goes on its merry way. Now however it hits that concave side of the cap, and is reflected. The whole upper and back of the cortex will be exposed to twice the dose of radiation: once incoming, once reflected.

So, yeah, especially whoever is the kind who'd wear a tin-foil hat... probably shouldn't :p

Mike! 25th January 2021 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HansMustermann (Post 13373779)
Here's a thought though. Let's assume for the scope of this exercise that high levels of such radiation do harm your brain. Let's also assume it does exactly what it does on the tin, namely, reflect microwaves.

Let's also approximate the cap with a hemisphere or so, while you wear it. You can probably already see where this is going.

Well, radiation from the back, sure, it will hit the convex surface and be reflected away. Job done.

What about radiation from the front, though? Like, dunno, when you're browsing on your cell phone while wearing that. Or if you're paranoid enough, wearing it while using the laptop, which is connected to WiFi. Or from the wireless keyboard and mouse.

Right. That one hits the concave surface and is focused towards the middle of the brain. Exposing it to MUCH higher levels of microwaves.

Quoth the meme: But wait, I'm not done yet.

That radiation would normally pass through the brain once, a tiny fraction might be absorbed, but the rest goes on its merry way. Now however it hits that concave side of the cap, and is reflected. The whole upper and back of the cortex will be exposed to twice the dose of radiation: once incoming, once reflected.

So, yeah, especially whoever is the kind who'd wear a tin-foil hat... probably shouldn't :p

That's why your best bet is the tinfoil yamaka.

HansMustermann 25th January 2021 09:33 PM

Nah, that would have the same problem. What you'd really want is a tinfoil burqa.

The Great Zaganza 25th January 2021 10:49 PM

I see a marketing opportunity for Piercing Studios ...

P.J. Denyer 26th January 2021 07:31 AM

Reading that advertising blurb all I was just blown away by the idea that they think.the key to stopping elephants getting through a fence is making sure the holes are small enough...

Mike! 26th January 2021 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HansMustermann (Post 13373860)
Nah, that would have the same problem. What you'd really want is a tinfoil burqa.

I was thinking a with a smaller surface area it would have less chance of a parabolic progressively reflective feedback loop* that could end up causing some serious dain bramage.











*You gotta admit that sounds like some first class technobabble, doesn't it?

HansMustermann 26th January 2021 01:33 PM

Well, you are right that it would indeed be a smaller reflector, and a lot less likely to form basically a resonance cavity if your head is juuust the right size for the wavelength. Thing is, though, it's still subjecting SOME of the brain to twice the radiation, and a small area of the brain to a LOT more radiation. Both are, of course, less than for a bigger reflector, but they're still worse than not wearing a reflector in the first place.

As I was saying, IMHO if anyone wants it to actually shield them, they really should shield all around. I.e., wear a burqa.

HansMustermann 26th January 2021 01:42 PM

Hell, I'm even tempted to joke that they should tape some reflective duct tape over their nose and mouth, so they don't inhale those scary microwaves. But I'm afraid that some of the... less... intellectual out there might actually do it.

SuburbanTurkey 26th January 2021 01:48 PM

On a similar note of pointless uses of faraday cages, here's negative reviews for a faraday box being marketed to keep 5G out of your wireless router. People are upset that it killed their network signal strength for some reason...

https://twitter.com/AnsgarTOdinson/s...15546979803137

HansMustermann 26th January 2021 01:59 PM

Yeah, THAT one really takes the cake.

Dumb All Over 26th January 2021 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HansMustermann (Post 13374480)
Hell, I'm even tempted to joke that they should tape some reflective duct tape over their nose and mouth, so they don't inhale those scary microwaves. But I'm afraid that some of the... less... intellectual out there might actually do it.


The Darwin Awards are always on the lookout for new nominees.

Trebuchet 26th January 2021 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HansMustermann (Post 13374480)
Hell, I'm even tempted to joke that they should tape some reflective duct tape over their nose and mouth, so they don't inhale those scary microwaves. But I'm afraid that some of the... less... intellectual out there might actually do it.

Why would that be a problem?

rjh01 26th January 2021 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13374656)
Why would that be a problem?

It would be for their next of kin. They would be dead. Mind you, society might be better off by an increase in average intelligence levels.

HansMustermann 26th January 2021 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13374656)
Why would that be a problem?

'Cause people start getting PTSD flashbacks when a German proposes that the mentally unfit should stop breathing ;)

arthwollipot 26th January 2021 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bikewer (Post 13373352)
But...... Aluminum foil is so cheap, and there’s no problem with sizing....

How are you going to make money selling aluminium foil??

The Great Zaganza 26th January 2021 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 13374955)
How are you going to make money selling aluminium foil??

too much up-front investment.

I'll sell buckets of water - even better shielding!

rjh01 27th January 2021 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 13374955)
How are you going to make money selling aluminium foil??

There is a great market in selling products that do not add value.

Lplus 27th January 2021 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HansMustermann (Post 13374480)
Hell, I'm even tempted to joke that they should tape some reflective duct tape over their nose and mouth, so they don't inhale those scary microwaves. But I'm afraid that some of the... less... intellectual out there might actually do it.

No problem, they can breath through their ears - there's surely no brain in there to get in the way.

Carrot Flower King 27th January 2021 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13374495)
On a similar note of pointless uses of faraday cages, here's negative reviews for a faraday box being marketed to keep 5G out of your wireless router. People are upset that it killed their network signal strength for some reason...

https://twitter.com/AnsgarTOdinson/s...15546979803137

This one is interesting from a sceptical point of view.

I mean, I'm sure we'd all love it to be true that some numpties and eejits have done this, but...

I've just spent the last hour following links, doing a couple of searches, reading online articles and the like and the ONLY comment of that sort about a Faraday cage cutting out someone's wifi is the one Amazon review cited in that Twitter feed. And even that one is a bit suspect, as the other Amazon reviews he mentions are all piss takes, as are the ones which appear in a related Practical Mechanics piece or ones I found under some other Amazon things.

There are several articles which refer back only to that Twitter feed and to nothing else.

So, next question is: are there any other sources for this story? I would love there to be, but...

SuburbanTurkey 27th January 2021 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13375061)
This one is interesting from a sceptical point of view.

I mean, I'm sure we'd all love it to be true that some numpties and eejits have done this, but...

I've just spent the last hour following links, doing a couple of searches, reading online articles and the like and the ONLY comment of that sort about a Faraday cage cutting out someone's wifi is the one Amazon review cited in that Twitter feed. And even that one is a bit suspect, as the other Amazon reviews he mentions are all piss takes, as are the ones which appear in a related Practical Mechanics piece or ones I found under some other Amazon things.

There are several articles which refer back only to that Twitter feed and to nothing else.

So, next question is: are there any other sources for this story? I would love there to be, but...

Shush now, it's true if you believe it's true.

You've done more looking into this than I have, it's entirely possible it's fake.

Funny regardless, so that's where my interest ends.

Carrot Flower King 27th January 2021 06:01 AM

^ Being on a sceptical site'n'that (as well as being retired and waiting around for a couple of deliveries...), I thought it might be interesting to see how much I was giving in to confirmation bias in wanting that story to be true.

I find this sort of thing especially interesting, coming from a healthcare background with some science training, as we had a load of manure of the bovine here about wind turbines during the planning process for the turbines we now have - all the illnesses we would have and the interference with (satellite) TV signals and the flicker and...and...None of which has happened and none of which could happen (position of turbines relative to track of sun and position of TV dishes made some of that certain), but so many local numpties were trotting it all out, while looking blankly whenever I said "Nocebo?"

HansMustermann 27th January 2021 07:59 AM

Just the fact that anyone would buy a Faraday cage for their router at all is already a sign that something isn't ticking right up there, though.

Armitage72 27th January 2021 10:06 AM

On the plus side, using silver fibers means you can wear the clothing longer before it starts to smell. Silver has antimicrobial properties and will retard the growth of bacteria on the clothing. No health benefit, but it will protect the clothing itself.

Dumb All Over 27th January 2021 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13375349)
On the plus side, using silver fibers means you can wear the clothing longer before it starts to smell. Silver has antimicrobial properties and will retard the growth of bacteria on the clothing. No health benefit, but it will protect the clothing itself.


What do you do when the silver begins to tarnish? Rub your Faraday Boxer Briefs with silver polish?

Trebuchet 27th January 2021 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13375349)
On the plus side, using silver fibers means you can wear the clothing longer before it starts to smell. Silver has antimicrobial properties and will retard the growth of bacteria on the clothing. No health benefit, but it will protect the clothing itself.

And if you take it internally you turn blue!

Cat Not Included 27th January 2021 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13375349)
On the plus side, using silver fibers means you can wear the clothing longer before it starts to smell. Silver has antimicrobial properties and will retard the growth of bacteria on the clothing. No health benefit, but it will protect the clothing itself.

Plus, built in protection against werewolves!

arthwollipot 27th January 2021 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HansMustermann (Post 13375154)
Just the fact that anyone would buy a Faraday cage for their router at all is already a sign that something isn't ticking right up there, though.

Lack of education does not imply mental incapacity.

rjh01 27th January 2021 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13375061)
This one is interesting from a sceptical point of view.

I mean, I'm sure we'd all love it to be true that some numpties and eejits have done this, but...

I've just spent the last hour following links, doing a couple of searches, reading online articles and the like and the ONLY comment of that sort about a Faraday cage cutting out someone's wifi is the one Amazon review cited in that Twitter feed. And even that one is a bit suspect, as the other Amazon reviews he mentions are all piss takes, as are the ones which appear in a related Practical Mechanics piece or ones I found under some other Amazon things.

There are several articles which refer back only to that Twitter feed and to nothing else.

So, next question is: are there any other sources for this story? I would love there to be, but...

Either the Faraday cage does not work or it cuts out the Wifi signal. There really are not any other options.

It even says it will block the Wifi signal in the description

Quote:

PROTECTS FROM HARMFUL RADIATION - The Wi-Fi Router Cover is proven to block about 95% of electromagnetic field (EMF) and radio frequency (RF) radiation emitted by routers all day long. The EMF blocker works like a Faraday fabric or cage to effectively shield the router and highly reduce the intensity of radiation it emits in a given space.
https://www.amazon.com.au/Upgraded-B...HV6/ref=sr_1_2

Several reviews also said it reduced the wifi signal.

HansMustermann 27th January 2021 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 13374955)
How are you going to make money selling aluminium foil??

Hmm... true... I guess I'd better make it an aluminium pasta strainer. That way I can also sell it to our FSM-fearing pastafarian customers.

No, wait, titanium-nickel for maximum durability.

Carrot Flower King 28th January 2021 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjh01 (Post 13376053)
Either the Faraday cage does not work or it cuts out the Wifi signal. There really are not any other options.

It even says it will block the Wifi signal in the description


https://www.amazon.com.au/Upgraded-B...HV6/ref=sr_1_2

Several reviews also said it reduced the wifi signal.

Yes, I know how a Faraday cage works...

My quibble, as I said, was about how genuine the reviews about the cages blocking wifi signal actually are, as the bulk of the (many) I read were clear pisstakes, and I did read reviews of several similar products. And there is also a point about confirmation bias among us lot, as we would really like to believe that such reviews are real.

rjh01 28th January 2021 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13376156)
Yes, I know how a Faraday cage works...

My quibble, as I said, was about how genuine the reviews about the cages blocking wifi signal actually are, as the bulk of the (many) I read were clear pisstakes, and I did read reviews of several similar products. And there is also a point about confirmation bias among us lot, as we would really like to believe that such reviews are real.

If you click on their names you will be able to read other reviews these people have made. After doing that can find no evidence that they wrote fake reviews.

Norman Alexander 28th January 2021 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjh01 (Post 13376053)

The one's having the pisstake are the people selling this. It's just a cheap wire-mesh home-office document box worth maybe $5 at most being sold as a $188 crotch-protector for ignorant idjits.

Carrot Flower King 28th January 2021 04:09 AM

The ones about it curing their cancer and the like?

I still found way more pisstakes than anything else.

OK, glad to know there are actually some of those eejits out there. Let's get back to mocking them after making sure we have the correct eejits?

HansMustermann 28th January 2021 05:59 AM

As I was saying, just the fact that anyone buys such a product at all, is already a sign that they're not ticking right. If you don't want EM waves, just use a network cable. If nothing else, you don't start getting lost packets that way. Or get one with an eco/low-power option and turn that on.

I mean, if nothing else, the Faraday cage around the router doesn't do anything to attenuate the signal from the laptop to YOU.

Darat 28th January 2021 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HansMustermann (Post 13376220)
As I was saying, just the fact that anyone buys such a product at all, is already a sign that they're not ticking right. If you don't want EM waves, just use a network cable. If nothing else, you don't start getting lost packets that way. Or get one with an eco/low-power option and turn that on.

I mean, if nothing else, the Faraday cage around the router doesn't do anything to attenuate the signal from the laptop to YOU.

There are mats to prevent that:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...2b7137d2d1.jpg

HansMustermann 28th January 2021 06:42 AM

It still only blocks it downwards. We're in a thread about saving your noggin from radiation, so I'd say clearly a pad under the laptop won't do much for that gang.


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