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GlennB 26th May 2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13102034)
I disagree, the Tories are quite prepared to depose a leader who is going to cost them a future election. Whether that will stop the looting is a different matter, but it might stop the incompetence.

I really can't see a vote of no confidence in Johnson happening, but would love to see it.

Matthew Best 26th May 2020 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13102408)
Matt Hancock says penalty fines levied on families travelling for childcare purposes will be reviewed, in response to a question.

I'm afraid that's since been walked back by government spokesman, according to Kuenssburg.

Mojo 26th May 2020 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13102415)
To protect Dominic Cummings, the government has so far:

Reinterpreted lockdown guidance, accepted a ministerial resignation, agreed to review all penalties on families travelling for childcare

This is crippling the government, it's forcing them to retrospectively change policy dropping fines for anyone who uses the excuse of childcare worries even if they're clearly hastily made up because that's what Cummings did.

They look ******* stupid.


No more than ******* usual.

Captain_Swoop 26th May 2020 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Best (Post 13102523)
I'm afraid that's since been walked back by government spokesman, according to Kuenssburg.

BBC saying

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Following the UK briefing, there has been some confusion about whether the health secretary announced a review of fines issued to families for leaving their homes for childcare reasons during lockdown.

A government source has told the BBC's political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, that Matt Hancock merely committed to passing on the question raised by Martin Poole, a vicar from Brighton.

Mr Hancock said the government would "look at" the issue and "make an announcement from this podium - I think we can make that commitment".
So the usual shambles.

angrysoba 26th May 2020 01:30 PM

I canít be the only one to think Cummings has some dirt on Johnson thatís so bad he is effectively prime minister instead of Johnson. I know itís bordering on CT territory but it makes no sense that Johnson would need to go to such lengths for an advisor.

ceptimus 26th May 2020 02:18 PM

So you're caught sitting next to a river in a beauty spot, with your wife and child, on your wife's birthday - and you've driven thirty miles to get there from your (temporary) residence. When questioned by the police you invent a series of obvious lies to excuse your behaviour - lies that any jury in any court would see right through.

But Cummins wasn't questioned by the police - so he's had six weeks to come up with his pathetic cover story. I think most of us here could have invented something more plausible than the eyesight test drive combined with feeling sick lies that Cummins trotted out.

And even if you're credulous enough to believe all his lies, they still don't justify his actions.

Shame we don't seem to have enough Tory MPs or cabinet ministers that have the integrity to resign and force Boris to belatedly sack Cummins. Should Boris do that tonight or tomorrow (and right now it seems unlikely that he will) he has already done tremendous lasting damage to his policies and to any small fragments of reputation he still held.

P.J. Denyer 26th May 2020 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13102635)
I canít be the only one to think Cummings has some dirt on Johnson thatís so bad he is effectively prime minister instead of Johnson. I know itís bordering on CT territory but it makes no sense that Johnson would need to go to such lengths for an advisor.


I have a gut feeling it's connected to Russian interference in the Brexit (and possibly subsequent) vote, that report still hasn't been released.

P.J. Denyer 26th May 2020 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13102387)

From the comments and too good not to share-:


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GreenWyvern8h ago



(Sings)

He's a clever spad and he's okay,
He lies all night, and he lies all day!



He shouts at staff, he eats his lunch,
He goes to the lavatory.
On Sundays he goes driving to check if he can see!



He shouts at staff, he hates the press,
He likes to view wild flowers,
He puts on tatty clothing, and ***** lockdowns for lols!

EHocking 26th May 2020 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tolls (Post 13102118)
I don't know about anyone else, but I frequently get in my car to test if I'm too pissed or not to drive...doesn't everyone?

The problem with this method is that I can never remember the result . . . when I wake up on the floor of the bathroom in the morning.

P.J. Denyer 26th May 2020 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EHocking (Post 13102737)
The problem with this method is that I can never remember the result . . . when I wake up on the floor of the bathroom in the morning.

If it's your bathroom you were alright, if it's someone else's and there's headlights shining through the wall you weren't.

Captain_Swoop 26th May 2020 03:33 PM

Police break up illegal lockdown birthday party at Tory MP's house

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Police broke up an illegal lockdown bank holiday birthday party at the house of a Tory MP, the Mirror can reveal.

Superintendent Mark Pierce of North Wales Police told the Mirror: “In response to two reports of a possible breach of Covid 19 regulations we visited an address at Ty’n y Coed, Mold, yesterday. When we called at the property two people visiting the house left following advice and no further action was taken.”
There has been no lifting of the lockdown rules in Wales where - as in England - you are not allowed to visit other households.
https://mirror.co.uk/news/politics/p...kdown-22091335

Captain_Swoop 26th May 2020 03:35 PM

Restock you pasta, beans and toilet roll before the panic buying starts again.

Second Wave is coming in a week or two.

gypsyjackson 26th May 2020 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13102162)
Conservative Party supporters really are lovely, lovely people....




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

This is particularly stupid when under the UK system, the 21 bishops with longest service (outside ex-officio senior bishops and some female appointees) are required to be in politics as Lords Spiritual.

John Inge canít stay out of politics, as he is required by the church to be in, unless he resigns as Bishop of Worcester.

angrysoba 26th May 2020 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13102408)
Matt Hancock says penalty fines levied on families travelling for childcare purposes will be reviewed, in response to a question.

"especially coming from a man of the cloth" *vomit*

Holy crap!

Johnson, Cummings, Hancock. Wankers by name; wankers by nature.

ctamblyn 26th May 2020 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13102635)
I canít be the only one to think Cummings has some dirt on Johnson thatís so bad he is effectively prime minister instead of Johnson. I know itís bordering on CT territory but it makes no sense that Johnson would need to go to such lengths for an advisor.

I wonder if Marina Hyde has hit the nail on the head:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ified-sack-him

This is rather a nice turn of phrase from the article:

Quote:

Anyone who imagines his defence of Cummings is born of loyalty is unfamiliar with the concept "Boris Johnson". This is actually a simple story: man with no ideas is too terrified to sack his ideas man. Or to put it in the complex intellectual terms it deserves, some street heckler once shouted at David Hasselhoff: "Oi! Hasselhoff! Youíre nothing without your talking car!" Cummings is the talking car to Johnsonís Hasselhoff.

EHocking 26th May 2020 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13102741)
If it's your bathroom you were alright, if it's someone else's and there's headlights shining through the wall you weren't.

No biggie - it wasn't my car either

Aber 27th May 2020 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13102745)
Police break up illegal lockdown birthday party at Tory MP's house

https://mirror.co.uk/news/politics/p...kdown-22091335

Technically true :D

The unquoted lede

Quote:

Mr Roberts, who recently came out as LGBT, is understood to have spent the bank holiday weekend in London and returned to the family home this afternoon (Tuesday).
He has since tweeted that he and his wife "separated 6 weeks ago when I came out".

The Atheist 27th May 2020 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13102746)
Restock you pasta, beans and toilet roll before the panic buying starts again.

Second Wave is coming in a week or two.

Just a note on this - an increase in infections isn't anything to do with a second wave, it's a continuation of the first.

The second wave won't start until after the first is finished, and that's maybe 10% of the way through in UK.

Captain_Swoop 27th May 2020 02:12 AM

Remember Dominic Cummings is one of the few men to have ever been found in contempt of Parliament.

When the story broke and he was accused of doing things that look bad, he said he didn't care how things looked.

He's moved on to contempt of everything.

Ulf Nereng 27th May 2020 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13103107)
Remember Dominic Cummings is one of the few men to have ever been found in contempt of Parliament.

When the story broke and he was accused of doing things that look bad, he said he didn't care how things looked.

He's moved on to contempt of everything.

Thanks! I finally managed to remember who he reminds me of!

https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Bowerick_Wowbagger

Nessie 27th May 2020 03:28 AM

A government who managed to infect each other, give mixed advice and unclear regulations that they do not necessarily follow, it is no wonder UK excess deaths is about to tip over 60,000.

Another 10,000 excess deaths and COVID-19 will overtake WWII for the number of UK citizens dead.

Nessie 27th May 2020 03:30 AM

All Cummings needed to do, to ensure his eyesight was sufficient to drive a car under S96 of the RTA 1988, was to stand 20m from his own car and read the number plate.

Guybrush Threepwood 27th May 2020 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13103175)
All Cummings needed to do, to ensure his eyesight was sufficient to drive a car under S96 of the RTA 1988, was to stand 20m from his own car and read the number plate.

I think he'd need to use another car surely? I can 'read' my own car plate with my eyes closed looking the other way. :)

The Don 27th May 2020 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13103172)
A government who managed to infect each other, give mixed advice and unclear regulations that they do not necessarily follow, it is no wonder UK excess deaths is about to tip over 60,000.

Another 10,000 excess deaths and COVID-19 will overtake WWII for the number of UK citizens dead.

Civilian citizens.

Rather more service personnel died.

3point14 27th May 2020 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng (Post 13103130)
Thanks! I finally managed to remember who he reminds me of!

https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Bowerick_Wowbagger

He hangs around here sometimes.

McHrozni 27th May 2020 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13103181)
Civilian citizens.

Rather more service personnel died.

Wait until the second wave hits. USA is already 1/4 of the way there.

McHrozni

wobs 27th May 2020 04:18 AM

UK now has more deaths per million than Italy. We surpassed Italy on the deaths per million over 7 day average a few days ago.

Captain_Swoop 27th May 2020 04:36 AM

Cummings is described as “the PM’s energetic right hand man.” No wonder he’s losing his eyesight.

Even his name fits!

Arcade22 27th May 2020 05:35 AM

BJ is nothing without Cumming's. Totally unsatisfactory and without purpose.

3point14 27th May 2020 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Arcade22 (Post 13103291)
BJ is nothing without Cumming's. Totally unsatisfactory and without purpose.

Well done :D

P.J. Denyer 27th May 2020 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Arcade22 (Post 13103291)
BJ is nothing without Cumming's. Totally unsatisfactory and without purpose.

His absence must have been very frustrating.

Squeegee Beckenheim 27th May 2020 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13102415)
They look ******* stupid.

So no change, then?

Arcade22 27th May 2020 08:23 AM

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Twitterís anti-porn filters have blocked Dominic Cummingsí name despite Boris Johnsonís chief adviser*dominating British political news*for almost a week, the Guardian can reveal.

As a result of the filtering, trending topics over the past five days have instead included a variety of misspellings of his name, including #cummnings,*#dominiccummigs*and #sackcummimgs, as well as his first name on its own, the hashtag #sackdom, and the place names Durham, County Durham and Barnard Castle.

Bizarrely, the shortened hashtag #cumgate has also trended, since the first word of the sentence is not included in Twitterís filter list, apparently in an attempt to avoid the Scunthorpe problem applying too broadly Ė for instance, by blocking words such as ďscumĒ, ďcumbersomeĒ or ďcumulativeĒ.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ing-on-twitter

At least his first name is not Dick. That would just be too much.

wobs 27th May 2020 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Arcade22 (Post 13103556)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ing-on-twitter

At least his first name is not Dick. That would just be too much.

What about using "Rasputin"?

P.J. Denyer 27th May 2020 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wobs (Post 13103573)
What about using "Rasputin"?

Or Satan?

(With apologies to The Evil One),

Eta: capitalized for clarity

Mojo 27th May 2020 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13103614)
Or Satan?


To quote Voltaire, “this is no time for making enemies.”

Captain_Swoop 27th May 2020 09:41 AM

Boris tweeted

Boris Johnson #StayAlert
@BorisJohnson
Together we have made it through the peak, but we’re not yet back to normal.
Please continue to #StayAlert and keep 2 metres away from others when outside.

Carrot Flower King 27th May 2020 09:42 AM

So, listening to Johnson "answering" questions from members of the Commons' Liaison Committee, what have we learned?

He really does not sound comfortable dealing with persistent, intelligent women (Meg Hillier and Yvette Cooper in this instance).

He's still trotting out the "Aaaaaah, but many of the stories weren't true!" line about Cummings without bothering with any details or facts about which particular stories are not true.

He still comes over as a waffling public school debating society b*********r.

Nothing new, then!

Captain_Swoop 27th May 2020 09:44 AM

Over the peak? 55% increase in reported deaths for yesterday.

It was 412 , not 209 as reported, someone made a 'mistake'

Captain_Swoop 27th May 2020 09:49 AM

For me, the biggest loser in all this is the reputation of Eton school.


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