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Trebuchet 5th July 2018 01:19 PM

Memo to self: Upon taking power and deciding to appoint an agency head with the intention of destroying that agency, remember not to appoint one who is so ridiculously venal as to draw unwanted attention to what he's doing.

ETA: I wonder if Pruitt actually know about it yet.

Stacko 5th July 2018 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 12351407)

Tomorrow's not going to be a very productive day for the EPA. Everyone is going to show up and all the office supplies will be gone.

varwoche 5th July 2018 02:12 PM

Pruitt's cone of silence should be relocated to the Smithsonian, for posterity.

Trebuchet 5th July 2018 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 12351541)
Pruitt's cone of silence should be relocated to the Smithsonian, for posterity.

Is it also a Faraday cage? They should relocate it to the Oval Office and tell Trump it's a secure place for him to Tweet from.

quadraginta 5th July 2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12351436)
Surprised Pruitt lasted that long. But the real question is which performing monkey is he going to be replaced with. Or is Mafia Don going to run the EPA by himself as well. Or just not bother with replacing him at all (that option actually has odds!)


The place would probably run better if he didn't.

Certainly better than it did with Pruitt in charge.

quadraginta 5th July 2018 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12351455)
Memo to self: Upon taking power and deciding to appoint an agency head with the intention of destroying that agency, remember not to appoint one who is so ridiculously venal as to draw unwanted attention to what he's doing.

ETA: I wonder if Pruitt actually know about it yet.


Trump put out a tweet. How much more warning can anyone working for him expect?

It isn't like Cabinet level appointees or heads of agencies deserve any more consideration than that.

quadraginta 5th July 2018 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12351568)
Is it also a Faraday cage? They should relocate it to the Oval Office and tell Trump it's a secure place for him to Tweet from.


They could just get a regular cage for that. Trump wouldn't know any different, and they already have models to work from at the government summer camps.

Norman Alexander 5th July 2018 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12351648)
They could just get a regular cage for that. Trump wouldn't know any different, and they already have models to work from at the government summer camps.

Indeed! They should put him in one, lock it, and throw the key in the Gulf of Mexico.

Foolmewunz 5th July 2018 08:31 PM

Oh, Pruitt knew about it; he's already issued his accusations of a witch hunt (or variations thereof). Could've been ghosted by Trump's ghostwriters.

And on the good news front... the number two will take over, and he was merely a lobbyist for the coal industry; I'm sure things will improve (for members of certain golf clubs in W. Virginia).

Stacko 5th July 2018 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12351829)
Oh, Pruitt knew about it; he's already issued his accusations of a witch hunt (or variations thereof). Could've been ghosted by Trump's ghostwriters.

And on the good news front... the number two will take over, and he was merely a lobbyist for the coal industry; I'm sure things will improve (for members of certain golf clubs in W. Virginia).

Not just any lobbyist for the coal industry but a lobbyist for the coal company Murray Energy of Last Week Tonight fame. To be succinct:
Andrew Wheeler as the head of EPA is the equivalent of a tobacco lobbyist heading up HHS.

PhantomWolf 6th July 2018 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 12351832)
Not just any lobbyist for the coal industry but a lobbyist for the coal company Murray Energy of Last Week Tonight fame. To be succinct:
Andrew Wheeler as the head of EPA is the equivalent of a tobacco lobbyist heading up HHS.

With Trump, it's swamp creatures all the way down.

Norman Alexander 12th July 2018 07:39 PM

OK, Pruitt gone. Who's next?

NoahFence 12th July 2018 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12360044)
OK, Pruitt gone. Who's next?

Trump.

Trebuchet 12th July 2018 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12360044)
OK, Pruitt gone. Who's next?

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Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 12360048)
Trump.

Dreamer.

Anyhow, we need to get rid of Pence first, then take the House, THEN get rid of Trump. President Pelosi.

d4m10n 14th July 2018 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 12360048)
Trump.

Maybe when he gets alone w/ Putin, he'll ask for political asylum.

Jim_MDP 14th July 2018 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12361793)
Maybe when he gets alone w/ Putin, he'll ask for political asylum.

What are the odds of Donny getting out of the room without giving up the sanctions on that half trillion dollar drilling/exploration project that Exxon and Tillerson (and Vlad) want?
Not sure I'd walk into the room.
Just sayin' :D

alfaniner 14th July 2018 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP (Post 12361829)
What are the odds of Donny getting out of the room without giving up the sanctions on that half trillion dollar drilling/exploration project that Exxon and Tillerson (and Vlad) want?
Not sure I'd walk into the room.
Just sayin' :D

He can (and does) promise anything. Without a document it means nothing.

quadraginta 14th July 2018 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12361871)
He can (and does) promise anything. Without a document it means nothing.


In Trump's case even with a document it doesn't mean much.

Jim_MDP 14th July 2018 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12361871)
He can (and does) promise anything. Without a document it means nothing.

Well... what if Vlad pops one of those "Escape from LA" dissolving explosive pellets in Donny's neck?

Sorry... got lost [s]wishing[/s] imagining there for a minute. :D

LSSBB 14th July 2018 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP (Post 12361829)
What are the odds of Donny getting out of the room without giving up the sanctions on that half trillion dollar drilling/exploration project that Exxon and Tillerson (and Vlad) want?
Not sure I'd walk into the room.
Just sayin' :D

Art of the Deal. He deals the cards, and the other players take them and play the actual game.

Craig4 15th July 2018 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12360099)
Dreamer.

Anyhow, we need to get rid of Pence first, then take the House, THEN get rid of Trump. President Pelosi.

I think we might be getting close to Trump's end game. If he resigns, it's going to happen very quickly after. If there's a quid pro quo pay for play with Cohen with money going to Trump for access, or the Russians let the pee video out, he might very quickly resign. There won't be long drawn out impeachment hearings. It's going to be something that just pops up and in a few days he's an ex-president secluded in one of his private gold clubs.

Trebuchet 15th July 2018 05:02 PM

I can't picture Trump voluntarily leaving the White House by resigning, being defeated, or even after his two terms are up.

Craig4 16th July 2018 06:17 PM

I can see him being driven from office by so many resignations that he can no longer function. He will blame Democrats or the fake news or something. I don't expect nor do I care if he takes responsibility. History will judge him without regard to his protestations.

quadraginta 16th July 2018 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12364526)
I can see him being driven from office by so many resignations that he can no longer function. He will blame Democrats or the fake news or something. I don't expect nor do I care if he takes responsibility. History will judge him without regard to his protestations.


I can't. He's made a point of selecting people who can't function when they are there, and seems to be filtering out the ones who show signs that they might be able to.

So it wouldn't amount to much of a change.

Stacyhs 16th July 2018 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12364526)
I can see him being driven from office by so many resignations that he can no longer function. He will blame Democrats or the fake news or something. I don't expect nor do I care if he takes responsibility. History will judge him without regard to his protestations.

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12364688)
I can't. He's made a point of selecting people who can't function when they are there, and seems to be filtering out the ones who show signs that they might be able to.

So it wouldn't amount to much of a change.

His staff have already proved themselves willing to sell their souls for their jobs. If any of them had a scintilla of self-respect or honor, they lost it long before now.

Craig4 18th July 2018 03:29 AM

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ess-conference

And it looks like we have our next winner.

The Don 18th July 2018 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12366063)
http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ess-conference

And it looks like we have our next winner.

Even though Kelly gave them the green light, it's revealing that no-one with anything to lose chose to do so. Perhaps they knew that he meant "wouldn't" instead of "would" :rolleyes:

LSSBB 18th July 2018 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12366063)
http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ess-conference

And it looks like we have our next winner.

If he's gone, that means he's free to run for President!

dudalb 18th July 2018 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12363203)
I can't picture Trump voluntarily leaving the White House by resigning, being defeated, or even after his two terms are up.

ANother reason why a lot of people have changed their minds about private gun ownership since Trump took office...

PhantomWolf 18th July 2018 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12366689)
ANother reason why a lot of people have changed their minds about private gun ownership since Trump took office...

Which really is a stupid reason. If the military was in support of his actions, then no amount of home weaponry will match their might, and if they aren't, then the civilian's guns aren't needed to deal with him.

Either way, buying guns for political reasons is totally silly.

Craig4 18th July 2018 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf (Post 12366957)
Which really is a stupid reason. If the military was in support of his actions, then no amount of home weaponry will match their might, and if they aren't, then the civilian's guns aren't needed to deal with him.

Either way, buying guns for political reasons is totally silly.

We don't need to worry about the military. At its highest levels, the military is staunchly apolitical and committed to not involving itself in internal matters.

What I do worry about are semi official Trump militias or posses along the lines of what Trump suggested as "vote" monitors during the last election. I could see him calling on his gun owning cult members to come disrupt an inauguration if he loses in 2020 or sending them to round up illegal immigrants.

Craig4 18th July 2018 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 12366076)
Even though Kelly gave them the green light, it's revealing that no-one with anything to lose chose to do so. Perhaps they knew that he meant "wouldn't" instead of "would" :rolleyes:

What's horrifying is the idea that the Whitehouse Chief of Staff gives green lights to a "free and independent" press to do anything. I know Fox is in the fulling willing participant position here but that doesn't make it okay for the administration to do it.

The Don 19th July 2018 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12367308)
What's horrifying is the idea that the Whitehouse Chief of Staff gives green lights to a "free and independent" press to do anything. I know Fox is in the fulling willing participant position here but that doesn't make it okay for the administration to do it.

I read the article as John Kelly giving GOP lawmakers the green light to criticise President Trump, not the press. Perhaps I misread and/or misunderstood :confused:

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White House chief of staff John Kelly reportedly gave GOP lawmakers the green light to rebuke President Trump's controversial remarks from his joint press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
In any case the point is moot IMO. The only criticism came from GOP representatives who were not seeking reelection and within 24 hours the Trump Administration found an excuse for what the President said which allowed the rest of the GOP to carry on supporting him (no matter how little sense that excuse made in the wider context of his remarks at the press conference).

IMO the long and the short of it is that the current President of the United States has more faith in Vladimir Putin than he has in his own intelligence services and experts. I think this is due to several reasons including:
  • Donald Trump's gut tells him that Vladimir Putin is a guy he can trust......
  • ......and/or someone he has to obey
  • President Trump is uncomfortable about the Mueller investigation. He has a very binary worldview, if you say or do anything less than totally flattering then you must be his enemy. The FBI are therefore his enemy
  • The intelligence services no doubt give him long and boring reports, many of which may have areas of doubt. Vladimir Putin OTOH just says "it wasn't me" which is much easier to understand and process
  • Vladimir Putin also gives President Trump the answer he wants. He wants to have won the election without foreign interference. If Russia could also provide information that 4 million illegals voted for Hillary so that President Trump also won the popular vote, then he'd believe that too

Tsukasa Buddha 19th July 2018 01:51 PM

Coats is sounding very disloyal.

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Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats said he still doesn't know what happened in the one-on-one meeting between President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland, on Monday.
Linky.

Craig4 19th July 2018 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha (Post 12368026)
Coats is sounding very disloyal.



Linky.

Someone, maybe Kelly must have explained that Coats outside the administration is the only thing worse for Trump than Coats inside the administration.

dudalb 19th July 2018 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12368120)
Someone, maybe Kelly must have explained that Coats outside the administration is the only thing worse for Trump than Coats inside the administration.

I am predicitinjg the Kelly will be gone before too much longer.

Norman Alexander 21st July 2018 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12368259)
I am predicitinjg the Kelly will be gone before too much longer.

I'm predicting Kelly's blood-pressure will drop 50 points as a result.

Craig4 21st July 2018 06:59 AM

On further reflection, I think Coats will stay. Trump can't afford a completely untethered Coats.

Stacko 21st July 2018 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12369553)
On further reflection, I think Coats will stay. Trump can't afford a completely untethered Coats.

This is a guy that thought Democrats would thank him for firing Comey. Don't underestimate his short sightedness and need for immediate gratification.

The Don 22nd July 2018 08:02 AM

Coates has backed down and apologised, what a wuss


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