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The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread pt. 2
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Biden slams trump on seeking to cut ACA during the coronavirus pandemic.
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Today we had a virtual meeting at work to explain the "back to the office" plan. Our company has offices in the US, Germany, and Finland. When explaining why the US wasn't going back to work as quickly as Germany, the boss pulled out a slide with the coronavirus case counts for Germany and for the United State. The line for Germany was going down, for the US, going up.
Remember back when Trump gave a speech on March 9? We have the best doctors. The best hospitals. The best best stuff. I don't remember everything that was best about us, but by gum we were best. Somehow, we didn't end up with the best outcome. |
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And we can lay a lot of that blame at Trump’s and the GOP’s (Abbott, et al) feet. But we also have to come to terms with the fact that a sizable portion of our population values their own comfort and happinesses over the greater good. |
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But all things considered, I would like it even better if I could go to a movie theater. |
Hmm. Here's a bit of an unusual implication to the "Trump should get sick with COVID-19 for karma's sake" thought, as well as a number of other things...
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Just announced - a record high number of cases today :(
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Some more bad news - not many people have been infected yet: Quote:
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Trump not only told his adoring fans he asked his team to cut testing, they are actually doing it.
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Leave it to Trump to turn taking medical advice into a culture war. Leave it to the willfully ignorant to take up arms and follow him.
A Sheriff in a sparsely populated county in my State of Washington gave a speech in the parking lot of his church telling the congregation to ignore their Governor's order to wear masks. Ironically he implored them "not to be sheep". |
A German video, but with English subtitles. More general attitudes of people than politics though, but there is a reference to "King Drumph" and injecting soap.
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9000 new cases in Florida yesterday.
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I wanted to scream as I watched that moron Pence stand in front of the cameras today and just lie through his teeth about how wonderfully things are going with the coronavirus today. "We're in a much better place now." WTF???
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I'm really glad Trump did that, because it will really show off his stupidity, in a way directly connected to politics, when people are watching and might be swayed. |
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And it's looking like the new site, Jacksonville, Florida, might not want it either. https://www.politicususa.com/2020/06...onvention.html |
Arizona Governor Doug Ducey:
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Not defending ineptitude, but I think the problem with making mask-wearing mandatory, instead of strongly recommended, is that laws have to be enforced, and even if the penalty is just a small fine, in the present environment it might not be smart to have cops confronting people over minor infractions. If a non-mask wearer refuses to cooperate, they pretty much have to arrest him. If he resists, they have to subdue him. One case of somebody getting hurt or worse over a mask would be catastrophic. |
If Ducey thinks people will 'do the right thing' and social distance/wear masks without a mandate then he lives in La La Land. We've already seen that many people, especially younger people, choose not to "do the right thing". What the hell does he think got AZ, TX and FL where they are now?
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Really, what should be happening is businesses refusing entry to non-mask-wearers. If they refuse to leave, that's trespassing. Then you arrest the maskless for the more major infraction. |
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Masks are mandatory in public in Maricopa County, although there are some sensible and some unfortunate exceptions. Among the former are individuals exercising outdoors alone (e.g., bicycle riders or runners), among the latter are "religious reasons," which of course is going to result in a whole lot of new converts to any religion that includes "Thou shalt not cover thy face," as a commandment. Which means that most people people will wear it, some won't and the number of confrontations will probably be minimal. |
Wow. This campus for the elderly has done an excellent job keeping coronavirus at bay, but now 4 residents of the Care Center (nursing home) have tested positive and *17* staffers are also positive. The folks running the campus had begun opening up with a very light touch, allowing doctor visits and curbside pickup of groceries. But apparently there weren't resources for widespread testing of even the nursing home residents. Whatever factors make this virus spread like wildfire in certain populations are taking hold here.
This just sucks. Maybe a slight consolation is that mask-wearing is now mandated community-wide and I hope the rising cases help put to rest the political battle over masks. It seems now quite a few "conservatives" are backpedaling and saying wear masks after all. Would like to book a week in a mountain cabin to get away from atrocious heat, but if we go we'd be quarantined for 2 weeks upon our return. Even though we could pull it off almost with virtually no human contact. A grocery run would be required though. Even under quarantine I'd be allowed to walk the dog which is basically the only time I leave the apartment anyway. |
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Just because there is a law doesn't mean an officer can't just remind people to wear the mask. "Strongly suggest" doesn't have any authority to it. There are in fact lots of laws that people break that they are not likely to enforce other than maybe say something. |
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Texas is having a serious problem. New cases are rapidly increasing which is a sure sign the infection is spreading and not under control. Governor Greg Abbott has to shoulder a lot of the blame.
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Another problem has developed with allowing shopping malls, restaurants, bars and gyms to reopen. Just allowing these businesses to open their doors did not guarantee they would do a normal business and some haven't. The local bistro may be open for business but if their usual patrons are uneasy about the safety issue they are going to stay home and many have. This is exactly what Dr. Anthony Fauci warned about back in May when Texas and some other states decided to reopen. The economic risk was, if they open too soon, the virus is likely to begin spreading. That will hurt businesses whether they're open or not. Then, if these states have to put restrictions back in place, it would probably result in worse economic problems then if they had waited and complied with even the White House guidelines. (Full restrictions in place until fourteen consecutive days of declining case numbers.) Also from the Times article: Quote:
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Remember the video of the city council meeting where some whack jobs made ridiculous anti-mask pleas? That was just a short version. Here are more of said whack jobs at that meeting. I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElec...80394025712420 |
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Maybe if there were a leader, like an elected official, who could use the influence of his position to encourage it? I wonder if that could work. |
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A poll on Orlando dot com found 60% of respondents either wear a mask "Everywhere I go" or "Most times." Only 22% said they never wear a mask. 64% said they thought requiring people to wear masks was "a good idea." Link to Orlando dot com This is my point. In Florida, as other places, the majority of people almost always support caution and prevention. Social distancing, restrictions on assembly, the wearing of face masks. How do the people who are so vehemently opposed to the wearing of face masks, how do they justify trying to force state governments to do something that a majority of their fellow citizens oppose? These zealots are making their case to the wrong people aren't they? Instead of berating elected officials -- who are actually representing the wishes of the majority -- they need to make their argument to the general public. But unlike elected officials, who obviously try and be cordial to the messengers (even if they don't agree with their message), I think a lot of everyday citizens would tell people -- like the lady insisting "masks kill, they kill!" -- I think the average Joe or Jane would respond: "You're nuts." ;) |
Did anyone see Pence's pathetic response...twice... to being asked why Trump is having rallies when they aren't following Fauci's and Birx's recommendations?
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A GOP lawmaker from TX who is also a doctor just hemmed and hawwed and stammered his way through an interview with Chris Cuomo where he continually contradicted himself, flat out lied about what Trump has and hasn't said, and kept trying to answer every question by talking about needing to "get the economy" open again.
The utter, craven spinelessness of this quisling made my blood boil. Not only was he a traitor to his state and nation, he was a traitor to his Hippocratic Oath. |
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