Caveat from the get-go: I don't have any deep knowledge of how Trump Org. is structured, and what follows is complete and utter speculation, intended as a discussion point for a plausible scenario in which a consulting fee could reasonably be paid. I have absolutely zero solid information for this, it is 100% speculation and nothing else.

If Trump Org. is a holding company, it might be okay for Ivanka to be paid as a consultant for work done with one of the subsidiaries, if she were not an employee of that subsidiary specifically.

One of my prior employer was a holding company, and had several subsidiaries of diverse natures. Some of them were customers of another.
For example, one was a reinsurance company, another was a health insurance company, and the reinsurance company sold services to the health insurance company. Similarly, one subsidiary was a brokerage company that sold policies for many insurers, including competitors of the company that was a sibling under the holding company.

There were times where we had to get a bit creative trying to do work between subsidiaries that included competition or potential conflicts of interest. I don't recall specifics, but I could see an argument where an employee of the holding company (or one of the subsidiaries) did work for a different subsidiary on a consulting basis, in order to retain some separation of duties.

Like I said, this is speculative, so grain of salt and all that.

If the matter under discussion were solely the crimes alleged to have been committed by Trump while in office, your thoughts would be relevant.

Dave

A classic example of what happens when politicians look after their rich mates.

In Australia, dividends form part of your taxable income and can put you in a higher tax bracket. The difference is that dividends are tax imputed meaning that part of your taxable dividend has already been sent to the tax man and becomes a credit for tax already paid.

I can't remember Obama being investigated for crimes being committed before or during his time in office. I mean, actual investigations by attorneys general and not just allegations by politicians screaming for their 5 minutes of attention.

There's a reason Trump has fought so desperately to keep his taxes from being released. You don't spend this much money fighting to keep your taxes secret unless you're scared of what they'll reveal. He's a crook.

https://leftcoastnetwork.com/video/t...r-his-rallies/


The City of El Paso TX is after him for non-payment of his rallies

Would you be so kind as to list all the official crimes that each of the last, say, half-dozen presidents actually had pressed and faced trial for on leaving office.

Obama=?
GW Bush=?
Clinton=?
HG Bush=?
Reagan=?
Carter=?
Ford=?

Some Cliff Notes: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...sident/616804/

If they have committed criminal acts, then I agree.

So, you're making a claim but will not be supporting that claim with evidence.

Got it!

That seems to be par for the course nowadays, innit?

Don't the people of XXX in Terry Pratchett's discworld arrest its Prime Minister the moment he is elected?:D

I think you are twisting the posters claim.

Forgive me my atrocious spelling from my wee phone keyboard.

"Who did not commit crimes while in office"

You "faced trial for on leaving office"

You mean, of course, EcksEcksEcksEcks, or Fourecks.

XXX is bad porn, whereas XXXX is bad lager.

All in all, it would safe a lot of time if the President would spend one of his/her 4 years in office in jail.

It's been quite a few years since I read it and my age and certain lifestyle choices haven't been conducive to a good memory.

Yup...you are right.

Yeah, but I'll bet you don't know why Castlemain is called XXXX !

It's vague, isn't it. I read it more fully as "Who committed crimes in office but did not face legal ramifications thereof after leaving office."

Queenslanders can't spell "quasiantichurchdisestablishmentarianism" in four letters?

I only know a couple without checking.

GW - I think there are war crimes there which are prosecutable. He also abused the DoJ to manipulate elections. And there was caging, also to influence elections.

Bill Clinton - Not sure the money schemes were illegal. Sweetheart deals is what they are called. And there were sex crimes that at least should have either gone to court or publicly dropped. Instead the record is clouded.

Reagan - Iran-Contra is well known. And I believe there was a deal to get the hostages released after he was elected.

Carter - I'm not aware of anything.

Ford - I only know Agnew was out and Ford was in specifically to pardon Nixon. Not illegal.

Obama and Sr Bush - I'm not aware of anything.

I'm sure we can find more. But did any of them face charges and/or court personally as a result? As far as I'm aware, they all walked away scot-free when they left the office.

Some of us were disappointed Obama didn't at least address GW lying us into a war and using torture. But compared to Trump I don't think GW's crimes would have been an easy call.

What Biden has said he will enlist a committee to make the decisions if and what to charge Trump with. Before he was elected there appear to be more than a few crimes involving false claims on tax reports. And it's pretty clear Trump has been involved in money laundering for Russian oligarchs.

He's lied on loan applications. I'm not sure if that against US law if the fraud was on foreign banks.

As far as I'm aware, several states want to have a sit-down with him about some of these things. There will be "a spirited search for the truth", at which point Donny will blab and bluster and blunder his way into numerous serious charges being laid. There is the distinct possibility federal law officers will be invited to this party. After this, his attorney will cry himself to sleep.

Whereas Dos Equis is merely mediocre.

of course I do, not being from god’s waiting room. it is an old stale joke.




And spelled Castlemaine

It is ISF after all.
What’s a bit of pendantry between friends?

Trump should be criminally investigated and, if feasible, charged for the Obstruction found by Mueller.
That should be a no-brainer for anyone who believes in the Separation of Power.

And, of course, we need to investigate the failure of the Trump Administration to deal with the Coronavirus.
That might lead to further charges.

these have nothing to do with retaliation and everything to do with saving lives and democracy.

One way or another, he'll manage to be pardoned or immune to Federal charges. I'm hanging my hat on state charges and civil suits.

It was Kushner who was the go-between to buy Pardons from Trump:

https://www.businessinsider.com/kush...0-12?r=DE&IR=T

If he "manages" to actually get pardoned, then it'll be Biden he'll have managed. That would be squarely on Biden, isn't it?

That's not what that article says. It identifies Abbe Lowell, an attorney for Kushner as being the go-between.

Don't recall this being mentioned in any of the other threads, but it seems relevant here....

From: Global News (the major Canadian TV network, not the conspiracy site)
Judge Arthur Engoron said the Trump Organization must turn over to the New York attorney general’s office all communications involving Ralph Mastromonaco, an engineer who worked on the Seven Springs estate in Westchester County, north of Manhattan....Attorney General Letitia James’ investigators are looking at how the Trump Organization and its agents assessed the value of Seven Springs

This is a civil case, so by itself would not directly relate to criminal charges against Trump. But, I'm sure any evidence they turn up might be useful in any fraud charges.

He'll be claiming Presidential privilege somehow or another! Or having Crazy Rudi do it for him.

As for GW Bush, I agree with you on the torture. As for getting into the Iran war, I was never certain whether it was a case of lying or a case of error and self delusion. I suspect that, to a large degree, he cherry-picked himmself into believing his own ********.

Personally, I do not see any reason to give any benefit of doubt to war criminal.

No, I don't think so. I suppose he might pardon himself, but that is legally questionable. Biden is not going to pardon him and I doubt if he resigned Pence would either.

I can't imagine Trump's ego would allow him to resign even briefly to get a pardon from Pence. He'll try to pardon himself for sure, and there's a solid chance it will fail. Failure and BS are Trump's superpowers in any case.

Just a thought: Trump saves face by pretending to need surgery so goes under anesthesia. Section 3 of the 25 Amendment is invoked and Pence temporarily becomes president. Pence pardons Trump. Section 3 says "such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President." This way Trump doesn't have to resign and doesn't have to take a change on the legality of pardoning himself. Would this be feasible?

Sure.
completely transparent and lame, but sure.

I don’t know why Pence would agree to do that

Perhaps to secure pardons from Trump.

"[Criss cross!]"

I don't think that dog will hunt.

Deutsche Bank while certainly based in Germany has offices and branches in the United States. These were loans for an American business that involved American properties. Seems a stretch to say that loans that they provided were somehow exempt from US laws.

Fortunately, Federal pardons will have no effect at the State level. I think New York has a few things planned for after Jan 20.