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Regnad Kcin 28th May 2021 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13493969)
Meanwhile...

Has MTG managed to get herself back on the news recently? I've seen nothing for a while, come to think of it. Has her bright star burned out after only a few months?

Google “Greene Gaetz” for a plethora of results regarding her (and his) current shtick.

Trebuchet 28th May 2021 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdroege7 (Post 13493976)
Yes she has, but then bat **** crazy congress critters always get on the news.

She was basically calling democrats nazis in her latest rant.

And repeating "America First" over and over. You know, the slogan used by actual Nazis prior to WWII.

newyorkguy 28th May 2021 05:50 PM

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From a local Georgia newspaper story, a southern Georgia newspaper, but even so. ;)
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Two of the GOP’s most controversial figures are on a quest to keep President Donald Trump at the forefront of the Republican Party. Georgia’s U.S. House Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene was joined by Florida House Rep. Matt Gaetz in deep-red Dalton on Thursday night as part of their series of “America First” rallies. “We are the most hated and the most attacked members of Congress, Matt and I,” Greene told the crowd. “Guess what? We don’t really care, do we?"

Greene, a freshman congresswoman has spent nearly every day since her election in the national headlines for the perpetuation of false conspiracy theories, and often racist and anti-Semitic comments. The latest: comparing COVID-19 mask mandates to Nazi terror over the Jewish population during the Holocaust. Valdosta Ga. Daily Times link

Stacyhs 28th May 2021 06:23 PM

One fan at the MTG-Gaetz event in Dalton, GA (MTG's constituency) said that she hadn't heard MTG's "Holocaust" comment (probably because it wasn't covered on her info source) but when the reporter told her, she said she agreed because the "the Nazis medically experimented on people and children" referring to Covid vaccines. Of course, the fact that Trump takes credit for those very vaccines and has been vaccinated himself never occurs to her. There just has to be something in the Dalton County, GA water. Lead. Arsenic. Stupidinium.

Belz... 28th May 2021 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13494126)
One fan at the MTG-Gaetz event (snip)

We should just call them Marjorie Taylor Gaetz at this point.

SteveAitch 29th May 2021 01:48 AM

On the whole, I think I prefer MTM! ;)

Stacyhs 29th May 2021 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveAitch (Post 13494270)
On the whole, I think I prefer MTM! ;)

She's got spunk. I hate spunk......

The Great Zaganza 29th May 2021 02:05 AM

So Marge Green doesn't like being called Green.
Good to know.

Norman Alexander 29th May 2021 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin (Post 13493990)
Google “Greene Gaetz” for a plethora of results regarding her (and his) current shtick.

Must I? I'm seeing my sock drawer needs arranging by colour. MUCH more urgent.

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13494096)
From a local Georgia newspaper story, a southern Georgia newspaper, but even so. ;)

No, I asked about seeing her in the REAL news. The most I've seen of her from here is on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13494126)
One fan at the MTG-Gaetz event in Dalton, GA (MTG's constituency) said that she hadn't heard MTG's "Holocaust" comment (probably because it wasn't covered on her info source) but when the reporter told her, she said she agreed because the "the Nazis medically experimented on people and children" referring to Covid vaccines. Of course, the fact that Trump takes credit for those very vaccines and has been vaccinated himself never occurs to her. There just has to be something in the Dalton County, GA water. Lead. Arsenic. Stupidinium.

This never seems run out in T**** country. Since they are so consistently deliberately ignorant, and they are still members of the same human race with the same brain capacity as us mere fallible mortals, I can only assume that such gross ignorance is deliberately cultivated in that part of the world. I hope I'm wrong though...

Craig4 29th May 2021 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13494096)
From a local Georgia newspaper story, a southern Georgia newspaper, but even so. ;)

I hope Gaetz enjoys it because that's the last sex with a woman he's going to have for a while.

smartcooky 29th May 2021 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 13494132)
We should just call them Marjorie Taylor Gaetz at this point.

That would be "Mattjorie Taylor Gaetz"

Craig4 29th May 2021 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13494304)
That would be "Mattjorie Taylor Gaetz"

Well, a slut and a man whore go on a speaking tour...

Norman Alexander 29th May 2021 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13494305)
Well, a slut and a man whore go on a speaking tour...

And the barman says "Is this some kind of a joke?"

newyorkguy 29th May 2021 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13494126)
...There just has to be something in the Dalton County, GA water...

This is what I found interesting about the news coverage of the Greene-Gaetz event by local media. Even the Dalton news site -- the Dalton Daily Citizen-News -- carried the same news story by Riley Bunch that the Valdosta Daily Times carried. Bunch is a reporter/photographer for Community Newspaper Holdings Inc. which owns and publishes newspapers in a number of small markets, many in the South, including the newspaper in Dalton. Most of the coverage is local news. Weather, crime, fires, accidents, local events, etc. Bunch's regular assignment is covering the Georgia legislature.

Both stories included the statement:
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Greene, a freshman congresswoman, has spent nearly every day since her election in the national headlines for the perpetuation of false conspiracy theories, and often racist and anti-Semitic comments. The latest: comparing COVID-19 mask mandates to Nazi terror over the Jewish population during the Holocaust.
Note this is not an op-ed but a straight up news story. It is being reported -- even in Greene's own home territory -- that she relentlessly engages in false conspiracy theories, and makes racist and anti-Semitic comments. Presented as fact, not opinion.

I get the sense that most of Greene's supporters -- whatever else they may be -- live comfortable lives. They're employed, make an adequate income, have healthcare. They probably see themselves as not needing anything from government. So they indulge themselves by electing someone like Marj Greene. They probably delight in inflicting her on the rest of us. :(

Gord_in_Toronto 29th May 2021 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13494305)
Well, a slut and a man whore go on a speaking tour...

Damn. I misread that as a spanking tour. My imagination is not that good. :o

MRC_Hans 29th May 2021 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto (Post 13494510)
Damn. I misread that as a spanking tour. My imagination is not that good. :o

Actually, I think your imagination is quite good. ... If a little kinky.

Hans :boggled:

gnome 29th May 2021 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13494126)
One fan at the MTG-Gaetz event in Dalton, GA (MTG's constituency) said that she hadn't heard MTG's "Holocaust" comment (probably because it wasn't covered on her info source) but when the reporter told her, she said she agreed because the "the Nazis medically experimented on people and children" referring to Covid vaccines. Of course, the fact that Trump takes credit for those very vaccines and has been vaccinated himself never occurs to her. There just has to be something in the Dalton County, GA water. Lead. Arsenic. Stupidinium.

I'm sure that if confronted with that they'd just suppose that Trump is screwing with the media, and didn't actually get vaccinated. Giving an inconsistent message is treated as a feature.

Stacyhs 29th May 2021 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13494543)
I'm sure that if confronted with that they'd just suppose that Trump is screwing with the media, and didn't actually get vaccinated. Giving an inconsistent message is treated as a feature.


How would they explain Trump's constant bragging about being responsible for the quick development of the C 19 vaccine and its distribution which would never have happened without him (according to him)? If the vaccine is poisoning everyone, then Trump is bragging about being responsible for poisoning the American people. Yet their little pea brains don't seem able to connect the dots.

MRC_Hans 29th May 2021 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13494560)
How would they explain Trump's constant bragging about being responsible for the quick development of the C 19 vaccine and its distribution which would never have happened without him (according to him)? If the vaccine is poisoning everyone, then Trump is bragging about being responsible for poisoning the American people. Yet their little pea brains don't seem able to connect the dots.

I don't think they assign any value to connecting the dots. It has never given them any satisfaction, so they simply don't try. A feature of being a skeptic is that you connect the dots even if the result hurts.

Hans

Stacyhs 29th May 2021 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans (Post 13494562)
I don't think they assign any value to connecting the dots. It has never given them any satisfaction, so they simply don't try. A feature of being a skeptic is that you connect the dots even if the result hurts.

Hans

Which is a sign of a lack of intelligence.

Craig4 29th May 2021 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto (Post 13494510)
Damn. I misread that as a spanking tour. My imagination is not that good. :o

You could be on to something. I hear some weird **** goes on in The Villages. Maybe the Green slut and the Gaetz man whore attended one of the infamous orgies The Villages is supposedly famed for.

smartcooky 29th May 2021 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13494560)
How would they explain Trump's constant bragging about being responsible for the quick development of the C 19 vaccine and its distribution which would never have happened without him (according to him)? If the vaccine is poisoning everyone, then Trump is bragging about being responsible for poisoning the American people. Yet their little pea brains don't seem able to connect the dots.


.....because "cognitive dissonance" is a term you and I both know, but that they have never heard of.

PhantomWolf 29th May 2021 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans (Post 13494562)
I don't think they assign any value to connecting the dots. It has never given them any satisfaction, so they simply don't try. A feature of being a skeptic is that you connect the dots even if the result hurts.

Hans

You don't need to connect the dots when your entire position is based on obstructionism. All they need to know is that the Democrats support it, and thus it is wrong and they need to oppose it. That this might cause a contradiction elsewhere doesn't matter.

If democrats introduced a Clean Air Bill into Congress where they want to make it the right of all Americans to have clean air with enough oxygen in it to live, the Republicans would oppose it and you'd soon have crazies on FOX and OAN claiming that the Democrats were trying to take away people's right to hold their breath.

smartcooky 30th May 2021 04:40 AM

Yellow "Not Vaccinated" Star of David
 
This is an example of how vile speech has consequences...

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/29/u...+-+Most+Recent)

Thanks MTG! :mad:

Norman Alexander 30th May 2021 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13495003)
This is an example of how vile speech has consequences...

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/29/u...+-+Most+Recent)

Thanks MTG! :mad:

I'm sure MTG is just revelling in the controversy. It gets news-minutes and column-inches, and that draws donations.

Stacyhs 30th May 2021 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13495003)
This is an example of how vile speech has consequences...

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/29/u...+-+Most+Recent)

Thanks MTG! :mad:

Another example of the stupidity of so many right-wingers. I think this quote from the article is accurate:

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"There's no way you could reasonably associate choosing to go without vaccinations for Covid ... and assuming that you're in the same spot as a Jewish person in Nazi Germany," Abramson said.

"To me, it's willful ignorance," Abramson continued. "The information is out there. People are willfully ignoring facts, information and history because it doesn't fit what they want to believe or it doesn't fit some narrative they have."
Now that Stetson has cut off business ties with the idiot owner of the store, expect right-wing accusations of "cancel culture".


The owner of the Nashville store is defending her idiocy with this Instagram post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...3c747a7a7e.jpg

newyorkguy 30th May 2021 04:56 PM

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According to news stories, other hat makers, brands like Tula Hats and Kangol Headwear, have also pulled their merchandise from the store, Nashville's hatWRKS. As Stacy posted, at first the store owner was defiant and dismissive of complaints.
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“People are so outraged by my post? But are you outraged with the tyranny the world is experiencing? If you don’t understand what is happening, that is on you, not me.”
But as protests escalated, and there were economic consequences, owner Gigi Gaskins did a sudden 180°:
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“In NO WAY did I intend to trivialize the Star of David or disrespect what happened to millions of people,” the post reads. “That is not who I am & what I stand for. My intent was not to exploit or make a profit. My hope was to share my genuine concern & fear, and to do all that I can to make sure that nothing like that ever happens again. I sincerely apologize for any insensitivity.” Yahoo News link

Stacyhs 30th May 2021 05:20 PM

Sure, Gigi, sure. It hits you where it really counts for you and then you "see the light". And Trump's apology for his "locker room talk" about grabbing women's ******* was sincere, too :rolleyes::

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“Anyone who knows me knows these words don’t reflect who I am," Trump said.

“I said it, I was wrong and I apologize."

However, in a statement shortly after the video's release, Trump dismissed its importance.

“This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago," the GOP presidential nominee says. "Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course — not even close. I apologize if anyone was offended.”

bruto 2nd June 2021 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13495414)
According to news stories, other hat makers, brands like Tula Hats and Kangol Headwear, have also pulled their merchandise from the store, Nashville's hatWRKS. As Stacy posted, at first the store owner was defiant and dismissive of complaints.


But as protests escalated, and there were economic consequences, owner Gigi Gaskins did a sudden 180°:

"That's not me" seems like the latest non apology pretense for people who want to get away with bigotry and not pay for it.. No, miz hathat, that is exactly you. I hope nobody buys her lame excuses or her hats.

JoeMorgue 2nd June 2021 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13497379)
"That's not me" seems like the latest non apology pretense for people who want to get away with bigotry and not pay for it.

This is why I've developed such an actions and results based view of morality, because of the upswing of people trying to find new ways to try and argue new variations on "Sir I might wake up every morning and kick a puppy, but that doesn't make me a puppykicker!"

Yes, yes it does. This ******** "I know who I really am in my heart of hearts and that's all that matters" crap needs to stop.

You are what you do. Period. You are your actions, not your internal thoughts.

slyjoe 2nd June 2021 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13497388)
This is why I've developed such an actions and results based view of morality, because of the upswing of people trying to find new ways to try and argue new variations on "Sir I might wake up every morning and kick a puppy, but that doesn't make me a puppykicker!"

Yes, yes it does. This ******** "I know who I really am in my heart of hearts and that's all that matters" crap needs to stop.

You are what you do. Period. You are your actions, not your internal thoughts.

I agree. In other words - talk is cheap.

Hellbound 2nd June 2021 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13497407)
I agree. In other words - talk is cheap.


To quote an old punchline: “but you have sex with ONE goat...”

:D


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JoeMorgue 2nd June 2021 08:08 AM

Take a sheet of paper. On the top of it write "Who I am." Now, and be honest, list all the stuff that you think makes up "You." List all your morals, your standards, your wishes, your desires, all your qualities.

Okay now take a second sheet of paper. On the top of it write "What I do." And list, in order of time voluntarily spent, everything you've spent the last...week let's say actually doing.

Now, and this is the important part. Cross out "What I do" and write "Who I am" on the second sheet of paper and throw out the original "Who I am" sheet because it's completely meaningless and useless.

MarkCorrigan 2nd June 2021 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13497434)
Take a sheet of paper. On the top of it write "Who I am." Now, and be honest, list all the stuff that you think makes up "You." List all your morals, your standards, your wishes, your desires, all your qualities.

Okay now take a second sheet of paper. On the top of it write "What I do." And list, in order of time voluntarily spent, everything you've spent the last...week let's say actually doing.

Now, and this is the important part. Cross out "What I do" and write "Who I am" on the second sheet of paper and throw out the original "Who I am" sheet because it's completely meaningless and useless.

Yup.

I never will understand why people think they can get away with saying "Oh, I didn't do that" when we have video of you doing the thing you are claiming you did not do (see M Flynn).

Politically I am a socialist. I vote for the candidates in elections that are closest to my personal philosophy. I used to (back when I had more time) volunteer for those candidates. I defend the ideals I have in discussion when such a time arises that I can and wish to do so. Who would believe me if I then turned around and said "Oh I'm a conservative really"? Why do these people think we will believe them when they pull the same trick?

Gord_in_Toronto 2nd June 2021 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hellbound (Post 13497428)
To quote an old punchline: “but you have sex with ONE goat...”

:D


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I thought the punch line was, "But not an ugly one"? :duck:

TragicMonkey 2nd June 2021 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13497388)
This is why I've developed such an actions and results based view of morality, because of the upswing of people trying to find new ways to try and argue new variations on "Sir I might wake up every morning and kick a puppy, but that doesn't make me a puppykicker!"

Yes, yes it does. This ******** "I know who I really am in my heart of hearts and that's all that matters" crap needs to stop.

You are what you do. Period. You are your actions, not your internal thoughts.

The problem is that a staggeringly huge percentage of the population believes their imaginary world is more real than reality. If confronted with an irreconciliable contradiction between their thoughts and reality they will choose to believe their thoughts. And since many, if not all, of them believe they are good people then it doesn't matter what they do. They will never, ever reconsider their own view of themselves no matter what actions they've done. They have granted themselves license to do absolutely anything because they are 'the good guys' in their personal world of illusion and stupidity. That makes you the 'bad guy' for questioning them.

JoeMorgue 2nd June 2021 08:38 AM

Also at this point the "Do the thing and the immediately apologize for it" is as much as "I can do whatever I want and nobody can stop me" flex as their hypocrisy thing.

Armitage72 2nd June 2021 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13497464)
Also at this point the "Do the thing and the immediately apologize for it" is as much as "I can do whatever I want and nobody can stop me" flex as their hypocrisy thing.


Indulgences have a long and honored history. Spend your life being cruel and greedy, repent at the last minute, and all is forgiven.

MRC_Hans 2nd June 2021 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13497513)
Indulgences have a long and honored history. Spend your life being cruel and greedy, repent at the last minute, and all is forgiven.

That is, IMHO, uniquely the weirdest concept in Christianity. Far outstrips miracles and human parthenogenesis.

Hans

Stacyhs 2nd June 2021 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13497379)
"That's not me" seems like the latest non apology pretense for people who want to get away with bigotry and not pay for it.. No, miz hathat, that is exactly you. I hope nobody buys her lame excuses or her hats.

I'm surprised she hasn't included the honored GOP excuse of "It was taken out of context".


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