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The Great Zaganza 13th March 2018 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 12215985)
Tillerson was told last Friday that he would be fired, so I think that his comments on Russia are irrelevant here.

I would see it as the opposite: he is making a last statement that ignoring Russia's aggressions is wrong.
His successor Pompeo is unabashedly wearing blinders when it comes to Russia, contradicting his own agency.

Mark F 13th March 2018 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 12215985)
Tillerson was told last Friday that he would be fired, so I think that his comments on Russia are irrelevant here.

Correction. Trump says he told Tillerson on Friday. Trump makes stuff up.

According to a release from State Department Under Secretary Steve Goldstein, Tillerson didn't find out about his removal from the president and it appears that he may have heard the news through Trump's tweet.

"The Secretary did not speak to the President and is unaware of the reason, but he is grateful for the opportunity to serve, and still believes strongly that public service is a noble calling,"

So Tillerson got his bad news from the White House the same way the rest of us do, in a 4am Presidential bathroom tweet.

Trebuchet 13th March 2018 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12215692)
TILLERSON OUT!!!

The Happiest Man in America!

Meanwhile, the State Department official who contradicted the official White House story of the firing has also been fired.

Mark F 13th March 2018 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12216113)
The Happiest Man in America!

Meanwhile, the State Department official who contradicted the official White House story of the firing has also been fired.

This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch.

Hellbound 13th March 2018 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12216113)
The Happiest Man in America!

Meanwhile, the State Department official who contradicted the official White House story of the firing has also been fired.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark F (Post 12216127)
This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch.

This administration will now be completed, at last minute and great expense, in an entirely different style:

New Secretary of State: Chuck Llama Jones

ETA: Thinking in a different direction, I wonder if someone could make some cash by offering a combo deal on a horse and a fiddle...

The Great Zaganza 13th March 2018 10:52 AM

For Trump's sake I hope he has a working NDA with Tillerson - otherwise the man has probably more to say than just "*********** Moron".

ponderingturtle 13th March 2018 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12216136)
For Trump's sake I hope he has a working NDA with Tillerson - otherwise the man has probably more to say than just "*********** Moron".

Secretary of State can not be bound by an NDA. He would of course be bound by what is or is not classified. But you can not have an NDA with official staff, only campaign staff.

Stacko 13th March 2018 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark F (Post 12216095)
Correction. Trump says he told Tillerson on Friday. Trump makes stuff up.

According to a release from State Department Under Secretary Steve Goldstein, Tillerson didn't find out about his removal from the president and it appears that he may have heard the news through Trump's tweet.

"The Secretary did not speak to the President and is unaware of the reason, but he is grateful for the opportunity to serve, and still believes strongly that public service is a noble calling,"

So Tillerson got his bad news from the White House the same way the rest of us do, in a 4am Presidential bathroom tweet.

Tillerson said he received a call from Trump around noon today, from Air Force One, more than three hours after WaPo alert and Trump tweet announcing his firing.

CapelDodger 13th March 2018 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 12215748)
I'm surprised he survived calling Trump a moron.

I guess he's been on borrowed time since then. He couldn't be fired when the "copulating moron" thing was fresh news; now it can be associated with his anti-Russian comment, which is fine with Trump - it sends Vlad the right message.

From what I hear on Pompeo, war with Iran just came a lot closer. Trump's in a bit of a bind there, though, because Vlad's approval isn't a given.

The Great Zaganza 13th March 2018 11:34 AM

Pompeo is probably acceptable to Putin , since he is sure to drive US allies even further away than Trump alone has managed to far.

CapelDodger 13th March 2018 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 12216024)
The BBC World Service introduced the Tillerson Story with, "it's been almost 7 full days since the last high-level aide left the White House..."

Sweet.

Hellbound 13th March 2018 11:36 AM

Does anyone else find the similarity between Pompeo and Pompeii an ominous omen?

:D

tyr_13 13th March 2018 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyr_13 (Post 12216036)
Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have been sacked.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12216113)
The Happiest Man in America!

Meanwhile, the State Department official who contradicted the official White House story of the firing has also been fired.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark F (Post 12216127)
This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch.

The best subtitles!

Mark F 13th March 2018 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CapelDodger (Post 12216203)
I guess he's been on borrowed time since then. He couldn't be fired when the "copulating moron" thing was fresh news; now it can be associated with his anti-Russian comment, which is fine with Trump - it sends Vlad the right message.

Well, now we know what it takes to get fired at the White House. You can call Trump a copulating moron all you want, but trash talk the Russians and you are out within 24 hours.

All hail President Putin!

a_unique_person 13th March 2018 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12215867)
Am I missing something here?

As more and more people get booted out of the White House because of problems with getting their security clearances. shouldn't that make keeping Ivanka and Jared even more difficult?

Trump is going to end up as Tiberius at Mar a Lago.

dudalb 13th March 2018 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 12215788)
Gee whiz!

Rex Tillerson has finally got the boot and I am surprised that it has taken this long.

And by the way, due to the numerous State Department resignations in the last several months I sure hope that the last person to leave the State Department building will remember to turn out the lights.

Who needs diplomacy when you have Trump and a Big Military?

I see lots of body bags coming home in the future...

dudalb 13th March 2018 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark F (Post 12216324)
Well, now we know what it takes to get fired at the White House. You can call Trump a copulating moron all you want, but trash talk the Russians and you are out within 24 hours.

All hail President Putin!

Who would have thought we would fight the second war of Independence against the Russians?
Red Dawn for real...

dudalb 13th March 2018 04:20 PM

And the purge might just be beginning. Many commentators are saying Trump wants everybody who is not a blind follower of him out of the White House and upper ranks of the government.
SO Trump can rule with his gut feelings, and not be bothered with experts who disagree with him.
I think the term "Catastrophic Results" will be applicable to the result.

Norman Alexander 13th March 2018 05:42 PM

You don't even want to be the one holding the phone for Tillerson. Loyalty in Donny's White House has a price...dismissal.

Quote:

Then came the tweet, shown by a senior aide to Tillerson. Steve Goldstein, the under-secretary for public diplomacy and public affairs, issued a statement that said: “The secretary did not speak to the president this morning and is unaware of the reason, but he is grateful for the opportunity to serve, and still believes strongly that public service is a noble calling and not to be regretted.”

Goldstein also said Tillerson had “every intention of staying”. A few hours later Goldstein himself was dismissed, apparently for publicly contradicting the White House.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-donald-trump

Craig4 13th March 2018 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12216536)
And the purge might just be beginning. Many commentators are saying Trump wants everybody who is not a blind follower of him out of the White House and upper ranks of the government.
SO Trump can rule with his gut feelings, and not be bothered with experts who disagree with him.
I think the term "Catastrophic Results" will be applicable to the result.

I'm guessing he's scared of the 25th Amendment.

Trebuchet 13th March 2018 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12216649)
I'm guessing he's scared of the 25th Amendment.

That's assuming he's even more than vaguely aware of any other than the 2nd.

quadraginta 13th March 2018 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12216696)
That's assuming he's even more than vaguely aware of any other than the 2nd.


And I doubt that his grasp of that goes beyond "This is something that the racist freaks who voted for me drool over. I gotta keep them happy."

Norman Alexander 13th March 2018 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12216825)
And I doubt that his grasp of that goes beyond "This is something that the racist freaks who voted for me drool over. I gotta keep them happy."

I doubt Donny's thinking goes much beyond "What's in it for me!"

TofuFighter 14th March 2018 01:20 AM

By all indications, this thread's about to blow up!
CNN has their say
You probably can't get decent odds on any of these guys.

The Great Zaganza 14th March 2018 01:33 AM

Trump fires people to change the new-cycle. There won't be mass-firings, because that would be a waste of media ammunition.

ponderingturtle 14th March 2018 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12216536)
And the purge might just be beginning. Many commentators are saying Trump wants everybody who is not a blind follower of him out of the White House and upper ranks of the government.
SO Trump can rule with his gut feelings, and not be bothered with experts who disagree with him.
I think the term "Catastrophic Results" will be applicable to the result.

When people thought they wanted america run like a business who knew it would end up being one of Trumps businesses.

Octavo 14th March 2018 03:59 AM

What about the tillerson, Kelly, Mattis suicide pact? With Tillerson gone, will Kelly and Mattis both resign?

The Don 14th March 2018 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Octavo (Post 12217025)
What about the tillerson, Kelly, Mattis suicide pact? With Tillerson gone, will Kelly and Mattis both resign?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !

Even if it really existed, I personally doubt that anyone in the Trump administration would adhere to it and in any case it seems a pretty poor way to run a government.

Stacko 14th March 2018 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Octavo (Post 12217025)
What about the tillerson, Kelly, Mattis suicide pact? With Tillerson gone, will Kelly and Mattis both resign?

It was Mattis, Tillerson and Mnuchin. I'd be worried if Mattis resigned and Mnuchin is too much of a weasel.

Norman Alexander 14th March 2018 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 12217036)
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !

Even if it really existed, I personally doubt that anyone in the Trump administration would adhere to it and in any case it seems a pretty poor way to run a government.

So it's on like Donkey Kong!

d4m10n 14th March 2018 05:23 AM

Relevant:
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/973599618469679104

Darat 14th March 2018 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12217115)

If there is a local card shop they must be making a fortune in all the "Sorry you are leaving" cards.

varwoche 14th March 2018 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 12217116)
If there is a local card shop they must be making a fortune in all the "Sorry you are leaving" cards.

No, the action is at the pharmacies. When Trump's "best people" are routinely kicked to the curb, gauze is the immediate need.

C_Felix 14th March 2018 05:56 AM

Maybe this will end up being the prime mover for BC to leave?

First on CNN: Emails show Ben, Candy Carson selected $31,000 dining set

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/14/polit...set/index.html

Foolmewunz 14th March 2018 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 12217116)
If there is a local card shop they must be making a fortune in all the "Sorry you are leaving" cards.

I'm sure if 'Vankie hears this, she'll be leasing a store to Hallmark in their hotel lobby up the road.

quadraginta 14th March 2018 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 12217020)
When people thought they wanted america run like a business who knew it would end up being one of Trumps businesses.


Far more of a puzzle would be, "Who thought it would be any different?"

catsmate 14th March 2018 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crescent (Post 12209002)
Why not?

Tooke's transgressions were well known when he was appointed as Chief by the Trump administration.

Well his offenses are tame by the standards of the Molester-in-Chief.

catsmate 14th March 2018 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 12215017)

Obviously the results of previous application of her ideas on education.

catsmate 14th March 2018 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 12215788)
Gee whiz!

Rex Tillerson has finally got the boot and I am surprised that it has taken this long.

And by the way, due to the numerous State Department resignations in the last several months I sure hope that the last person to leave the State Department building will remember to turn out the lights.

And while he was trying to smooth over the Trumpet's "************ comment too.

catsmate 14th March 2018 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 12215878)
Apparently John McEntee made certain that Trump always had markers for autographs , delivered messages to him at the White House, and last weekend made certain the clocks in the White House were "sprung forward" for daylight savings time (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-...red-1520945928). My God- Trump couldn't even hire a go-fer who didn't have serious issues!

Well, at least Mr. McEntee is now free to find a less demeaning job- assuming he stays clear of a conviction and prison.

Who still has clocks that require manual resetting?

catsmate 14th March 2018 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 12215907)
OK, Tillerson puts out a press release supporting the UK conclusions about the source of the toxin and condemns Russia for their involvement, and suddenly gets canned.

How can Congress let this go unchecked?

Republican majorities. For a while...

catsmate 14th March 2018 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12215930)
It would appear to have been in the works for at least a little while since David Dennison already had noms for SOSUS and CIA lined up.

To be fair that's probably normal practice under the Trumpet.

quadraginta 14th March 2018 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 12217290)
Who still has clocks that require manual resetting?


As of this past Sunday;

microwave #1

microwave #2

stove clock

coffee maker

three clocks in bedroom

two clocks in bathrooms

three clocks on three indoor/outdoor thermometers

two blood pressure monitors

central HVAC thermostat

my watch

both cars

There's probably others which I have overlooked and will notice sometime in an indeterminate future when I wonder why I'm suddenly running an hour behind somehow.

Our phone system would also have needed to be adjusted, but a while back, for some reason which is a complete mystery to me, it decided it was going to keep itself on GMT regardless of how I tried to convince it to stay in the same time zone as the rest of the house. I fear some sort of Anglophile virus, which isn't beyond the realm of the possible, since it's made by Panasonic, and those Japs are notorious Anglophiles.

The cable boxes, smartphones, tablets, computers, etc. have all managed to update themselves appropriately, but I'm keeping a close eye on them, just in case that Anglophile virus manages to jump over.

quadraginta 14th March 2018 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 12217295)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12215930)
It would appear to have been in the works for at least a little while since David Dennison already had noms for SOSUS and CIA lined up.


To be fair that's probably normal practice under the Trumpet.


Well, no.

The evidence suggests that the Trump Administration is not particularly adept at having candidates ready to offer for approval. I think they still have more positions left unfilled than filled after a year in office.

acbytesla 14th March 2018 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 12217290)
Who still has clocks that require manual resetting?

The White House does all through it. Classic manual clocks that actually need winding. But that isn't the job of the President's body man. The permanent White House staff does that. In fact, its the job of a single individual to do this.

Henri McPhee 14th March 2018 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Octavo (Post 12217025)
What about the tillerson, Kelly, Mattis suicide pact? With Tillerson gone, will Kelly and Mattis both resign?

Israel is at war with Iran and Trump is a pal of Netanyahu.

phiwum 14th March 2018 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12217372)
As of this past Sunday;

microwave #1

microwave #2

stove clock

coffee maker

three clocks in bedroom

two clocks in bathrooms

three clocks on three indoor/outdoor thermometers

two blood pressure monitors

central HVAC thermostat

my watch

both cars

There's probably others which I have overlooked and will notice sometime in an indeterminate future when I wonder why I'm suddenly running an hour behind somehow.

Our phone system would also have needed to be adjusted, but a while back, for some reason which is a complete mystery to me, it decided it was going to keep itself on GMT regardless of how I tried to convince it to stay in the same time zone as the rest of the house. I fear some sort of Anglophile virus, which isn't beyond the realm of the possible, since it's made by Panasonic, and those Japs are notorious Anglophiles.

The cable boxes, smartphones, tablets, computers, etc. have all managed to update themselves appropriately, but I'm keeping a close eye on them, just in case that Anglophile virus manages to jump over.

If catsmate is on Europe, then the wall clocks probably set themselves, since there is a radio signal they receive telling then the proper time.

At least, that's how it was in the Netherlands. We don't have that service in the States.

Hellbound 14th March 2018 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 12217515)
If catsmate is on Europe, then the wall clocks probably set themselves, since there is a radio signal they receive telling then the proper time.

At least, that's how it was in the Netherlands. We don't have that service in the States.

Actually, you can, depending. They're called atomic clocks, and they pick up radio signals from timekeeping services in the U.S. It's just not the standard for all clocks.

Heck, you can even get wristwatches that do it.

phiwum 14th March 2018 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hellbound (Post 12217530)
Actually, you can, depending. They're called atomic clocks, and they pick up radio signals from timekeeping services in the U.S. It's just not the standard for all clocks.

Heck, you can even get wristwatches that do it.

Ok, I didn't realize this. In the Netherlands, such clocks seem the default rather than the exception. I was a bit confused when I realized that my newly purchased kitchen clock had no dial to set it.

dudalb 14th March 2018 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12216649)
I'm guessing he's scared of the 25th Amendment.

That might not help. The 25th Admendment has a provision for a committee appointed by Congress to remove the President as well as his cabinent


Quote:

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.


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