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Darat 14th January 2021 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Puppycow (Post 13360573)
A smart lawyer would get paid in advance.

No a smart lawyer wouldn’t work for Trump... a slightly brighter lawyer would have got paid up front...

Crossbow 14th January 2021 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Puppycow (Post 13360573)
A smart lawyer would get paid in advance.

Like all Trump lackeys, Giuliani has an illusion of knowledge instead of having actual knowledge.

After all, Trump has a very long and well very established history of not paying people who do work for him. And yet, in spite of such glaring facts, for some reason Giuliani believed that such a thing would never happen to him.

Puppycow 14th January 2021 07:12 AM

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1349558089964347398

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Trump is going to betray each and every one of the lunatics and thugs and lowlifes who have supported him and it’s going to be like grinding up pure joy and snorting it off of Aphrodite’s ass

Puppycow 14th January 2021 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 13360577)
To be fair, Rudy didn't come through on the whole Bidengate thing. [emoji14]

And he didn't overturn the election either. So why should he get paid if Trump doesn't get to remain president?

SuburbanTurkey 14th January 2021 07:35 AM

I doubt Rudy not getting paid by Trump is really that big of a deal for him.

Rudy has other clients, and his proximity to Trump and the power of the Presidency must be a huge selling point. Working for Trump for free is a loss leader.

Anyone in federal prison right now who wants to get a pardon is probably willing to let Rudy name his price.

d4m10n 14th January 2021 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13360630)
Anyone in federal prison right now who wants to get a pardon is probably willing to let Rudy name his price.

For the next seven days?


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SuburbanTurkey 14th January 2021 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 13360787)
For the next seven days?


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It only takes a moment. I imagine Trump will be issuing many more pardons before the 20th.

ponderingturtle 14th January 2021 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13360630)
I doubt Rudy not getting paid by Trump is really that big of a deal for him.

Rudy has other clients, and his proximity to Trump and the power of the Presidency must be a huge selling point. Working for Trump for free is a loss leader.

Anyone in federal prison right now who wants to get a pardon is probably willing to let Rudy name his price.

Does he? He got fired from the law firm he was working for when he publicly advocated the mishandling of client money. He was also working for Trump for free for a while to spite his wife while going through a divorce.

Segnosaur 14th January 2021 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13360630)
I doubt Rudy not getting paid by Trump is really that big of a deal for him.

Rudy has other clients, and his proximity to Trump and the power of the Presidency must be a huge selling point. Working for Trump for free is a loss leader.

Yeah but that suggests Rudy was at least partially competent.

Its one thing to put up a decent defense for your client and lose, its another thing to lose, after leaving messages on the wrong phone number, having multiple embarrassments (leaking brains, Borat), and possibly being on the wrong side of charges related to terrorism.

If I am a potential client, I would avoid Rudy like the plague, regardless of his association with "the president".

SuburbanTurkey 14th January 2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13360849)
Yeah but that suggests Rudy was at least partially competent.

Its one thing to put up a decent defense for your client and lose, its another thing to lose, after leaving messages on the wrong phone number, having multiple embarrassments (leaking brains, Borat), and possibly being on the wrong side of charges related to terrorism.

If I am a potential client, I would avoid Rudy like the plague, regardless of his association with "the president".

It depends on what you want. Nobody should hire Rudy for actual legal work.

If you want a pardon from Trump, he's probably one of the few people in a position to advocate your case (for a fee) to Trump.

Perhaps that is no longer the case, but that seems to have been the situation for a while now.

Segnosaur 14th January 2021 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13360881)
It depends on what you want. Nobody should hire Rudy for actual legal work.

If you want a pardon from Trump, he's probably one of the few people in a position to advocate your case (for a fee) to Trump.

It seems to me like a big cheque to the Trump2024 re-election campaign would probably be more effective. Or maybe sign up for a membership at Mar a Lago.

Meadmaker 14th January 2021 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13360849)
Yeah but that suggests Rudy was at least partially competent.

Its one thing to put up a decent defense for your client and lose, its another thing to lose, after leaving messages on the wrong phone number, having multiple embarrassments (leaking brains, Borat), and possibly being on the wrong side of charges related to terrorism.

If I am a potential client, I would avoid Rudy like the plague, regardless of his association with "the president".

I think his reputation is irredeemably damaged by his activities over the last three months. This guy was highly respected as mayor, and a genuine contender for president, and now he's a joke. I don't think he can ever recover.

Not that he's going to end up sleeping under a bridge or anything. I'm sure he has enough money cached away to live out his days comfortably, but his reputation is shot.

Norman Alexander 14th January 2021 11:49 AM

I wonder...

If Rudi isn't going to get paid by Trump after all, and he is as big a slimeball as his (former?) boss and would turn on him in an instant, how much would a book deal cost with Rudi to spill all the inside beans as evidence to avoid going to jail? Probably not too much.

ponderingturtle 14th January 2021 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Meadmaker (Post 13360886)
I think his reputation is irredeemably damaged by his activities over the last three months. This guy was highly respected as mayor, and a genuine contender for president, and now he's a joke. I don't think he can ever recover.

More than his close associations with ukranian and russian mobsters? Remember Rudy needs his pardon too.

Firestone 15th January 2021 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13360516)
Zero credit for these people quitting at the 11th hour. I hope this follows them for the rest of their lives.

Case in point, in the Washington Post today: For those who quit Trump after riot, critics say it’s too little — and four years too late

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Sarah Matthews, a 25-year-old White House spokeswoman, said she watched the violent images unfolding at the Capitol last Wednesday with horror.

Before joining the Trump campaign, and later the White House, she had worked in Congress, and said that “seeing people I know, who were scared for their lives, just shook me to my core.”

...

As night fell and the Secret Service ushered most staffers home in advance of the District’s 6 p.m. curfew, Matthews grabbed her blazer and the half-dozen pairs of high heels stored under her desk, and put them in her bag. She knew she wouldn’t be returning.

“I knew I could no longer serve in the role effectively, and I couldn’t walk into the building the following day and act like everything was fine, because it was indefensible,” said Matthews, who sent out her resignation letter later that evening.

...

“I chose to work in the Trump administration because I believed in his agenda, I believed in the policies we enacted, I believed in a lot of what we accomplished,” Matthews continued, “but what I saw take place Wednesday overshadowed all the good we’ve done these past four years.”
(bolding mine)

It's people she knows being scared for their lives that suddenly made her see the light.
All the Trump atrocities affected "the others", that was fine, that was defensible, that was "all the good we've done."

jimbob 18th January 2021 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13360562)
I fully expected this. Trump has a long history of stiffing his lawyers. That is why he can't hire first class lawyers.

I'm quite miffed, because I swear I posted several weeks ago that I didn't know where to put my misplaced admiration. To Giuliani for having the chutzpah to charge $20k/day for his quality of legal advice, or Trump for letting convincing Giuliani that he'd get paid.

Matthew Ellard 18th January 2021 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13360593)
No a smart lawyer wouldn’t work for Trump... a slightly brighter lawyer would have got paid up front...

A proper solicitor would have a Client Service Agreement detailing Scope, fee or time charge, payment schedule and what disbursements are recoverable.

Perhaps such a contract exists? I don't know. :)

If so, I openly wonder what if the expressed (written) Scope of Services provided by Giuliani may be the problem. If the services agreement scope was "investigate if evidence exists that there was election fraud", however it could be proved, the real intent was "use courts to delay acceptance of defeat to allow further $207 million donation raising by Trump PAC", then that may break Client-Solicitor privileged communications, as an illegal act.

Trump should negotiate and settle with Giuliani.

RecoveringYuppy 18th January 2021 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard (Post 13365778)

Trump should negotiate and settle with Giuliani.

You mean free pardon?

Matthew Ellard 18th January 2021 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy (Post 13365790)
You mean free pardon?

I am way out of my depth, but pardoning Giuliani for a specific crime would seem to probably implicate Trump at the same time, when the criminal act is defined in the pardon. :)

Craig4 19th January 2021 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 13361909)
Case in point, in the Washington Post today: For those who quit Trump after riot, critics say it’s too little — and four years too late

(bolding mine)

It's people she knows being scared for their lives that suddenly made her see the light.
All the Trump atrocities affected "the others", that was fine, that was defensible, that was "all the good we've done."

I'd be more impressed if she quit after kids in cages. I wonder if she would have quit if she didn't know anyone who worked on The Hill.

Stacyhs 20th January 2021 06:42 PM

If Trump is convicted by the Senate, not even Trump survived the Trump White House.

ETA: The WH Head Usher, whom Melania brought in from the Trump Tower in NYC, was just fired.

alfaniner 24th January 2021 03:55 PM

The title of this thread makes me muse about how many very active threads are suddenly going to die this week or so. But that's OK. We'll still have the Covid-19 threads to keep us busy.

d4m10n 25th January 2021 06:08 AM

No reason not to track the Biden White House, IMO. Hopefully much less drama, though.

Crossbow 25th January 2021 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13368453)
If Trump is convicted by the Senate, not even Trump survived the Trump White House.

ETA: The WH Head Usher, whom Melania brought in from the Trump Tower in NYC, was just fired.

Such an event would be deliciously ironic.

So I sure hope that such an event does actually happen, because if it does happen, then there would be at least one positive thing that the Trump Administration has managed to do.

:)

Norman Alexander 25th January 2021 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 13373227)
Such an event would be deliciously ironic.

So I sure hope that such an event does actually happen, because if it does happen, then there would be at least one positive thing that the Trump Administration has managed to do.

:)

He was fired, apparently, for doing the right thing: facilitating the changeover of WH occupancy to the Bidens. That's a sin in Donny's book.

d4m10n 11th March 2021 09:08 AM

https://twitter.com/WSJPolitics/stat...76989992751111

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The White House informed Sharon Gustafson, the EEOC’s general counsel, that she would be terminated effective at 5 p.m. on Friday after she declined to resign at the White House’s request. https://t.co/vyskUPLxkO

dudalb 11th March 2021 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 13422754)

Well, she does serve at the President's pleasure and the pleasure of Biden is that she goes out the door.

PhantomWolf 11th March 2021 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 13422754)

As a political appointee, she should have tended her resignation when Biden was inaugurated. She didn't, and she has spent her time since Trump appointed her in undermining the very fabric of the agency and refusing to prosecute workplace discrimination against those she doesn't agree with. Not a huge loss here.


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