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Skeptic Ginger 22nd October 2020 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13266802)
Biden's financial activities haven't been suspicious enough to have him audited year after year after year.

Or to hide it from the voters.

Skeptic Ginger 22nd October 2020 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13266868)
And the DOJ has known about all of this for over ten months and yet has not done anything to anyone in the Biden family. They have not sent a sternly worded letter to the campaign or even asked the Bidens in for questioning?

Does it not seem strange to you at all that you appear to understand the importance of these facts better than Mr. Barr?

Or is there any chance, even just a chance, that the Trump DOJ and Mr. Barr have been through this and see that it lacks even the bun of a nothing burger so they are staying quiet?

And that's with Trump breathing down Barr's neck, threatening in Tweets with how unhappy he's been with Barr not coming up with evidence to indict Biden.

Skeptic Ginger 22nd October 2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by uke2se (Post 13266878)
What's the point of answering all of that? The conspiracy theory in the post you quoted is Q-anon level stupidity.

:thumbsup:

Skeptic Ginger 22nd October 2020 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13266946)
Whoever picked DeepTuck to be the point man on the October Surprise is the real criminal in all of this.

:dl:

Stacyhs 22nd October 2020 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13266946)
Whoever picked DeepTuck to be the point man on the October Surprise is the real criminal in all of this.

Well done, Sir. Well done.

Tero 22nd October 2020 02:31 PM

There is some talk of a laptop all thru this story. Is there a laptop? proof? NY Post and Giuliani and blind Mac man do not count.

MinnesotaBrant 22nd October 2020 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tero (Post 13266537)
A good 80% of people are that dumb with smart phones. And most of then never viewed what's in their cloud.

How exactly do you view what you have in iCloud. I do suspect porn but can’t find out cause I don’t know

Tero 22nd October 2020 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MinnesotaBrant (Post 13267017)
How exactly do you view what you have in iCloud. I do suspect porn but can’t find out cause I don’t know

https://backlightblog.com/view-icloud-photos

I have no photos there so can't test it.

My iCloud only has my contacts in the cloud. I lost them all once when switching phones.

MinnesotaBrant 22nd October 2020 03:00 PM

I have tried. All I see is a bar graph. I think when you sign in it populates your device. So conceivably the dick pick could have been revealed if the repairman had hunters iPhone acct moving it to some random macbook

Darat 22nd October 2020 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13266810)
And yet Trump has never been charged with any type of tax evasion or money laundering. Unless you think the IRS are a bunch of chumps, kinda ruins the narrative you're trying to push.

Yes he has, he's been fined for it.

Beelzebuddy 22nd October 2020 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tero (Post 13267012)
There is some talk of a laptop all thru this story. Is there a laptop? proof? NY Post and Giuliani and blind Mac man do not count.

No one can even agree about what's supposedly on it. Burisma dealings? Child porn? Secret Chinese bank account (poor timing on that one)? The pee pee tape? Jimmy Hoffa? Nicolas Cage's secret backup master recording of National Treasure with the Illuminati scene that was cut in the main release for being too close to the truth?

I mean, I get it, the idea is to launch a constant stream of accusations, none of which need to be true or even make a damn bit of sense but eroding away a bit of moral uprightness before fading until they leave a collective impression of some kind of nefarious... something. But with Hillary they had decades to smear her. They could take their time. Two weeks is too tight a fit to cram it all in, it all just gets confused.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13267050)
Yes he has, he's been fined for it.


Not aware of this, could you provide a cite?

Tero 22nd October 2020 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MinnesotaBrant (Post 13267043)
I have tried. All I see is a bar graph. I think when you sign in it populates your device. So conceivably the dick pick could have been revealed if the repairman had hunters iPhone acct moving it to some random macbook

Yeah I have the bar too. I have some apps that are apparently backing up to the cloud. You can turn those off. Mine are just bird species lists.

As long as you backed the phone to a computer you can delete all of iCloud:
Go to Settings > [your name], then tap iCloud. Tap Manage Storage > Backups. Tap the name of the device whose backup you'd like to delete. Tap Delete Backup > Turn Off & Delete.

Beelzebuddy 22nd October 2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 13267058)
No one can even agree about what's supposedly on it. Burisma dealings? Child porn? Secret Chinese bank account (poor timing on that one)? The pee pee tape? Jimmy Hoffa? Nicolas Cage's secret backup master recording of National Treasure with the Illuminati scene that was cut in the main release for being too close to the truth?

I mean, I get it, the idea is to launch a constant stream of accusations, none of which need to be true or even make a damn bit of sense but eroding away a bit of moral uprightness before fading until they leave a collective impression of some kind of nefarious... something. But with Hillary they had decades to smear her. They could take their time. Two weeks is too tight a fit to cram it all in, it all just gets confused.

Actually... every accusation is a confession with these jagoffs. Trump was impeached for basically what he's accusing Hunter of with Burisma. The NYT released a story detailing Trump's Chinese bank accounts and fishy cough cough laundering cough transactions, just before his creatures start accusing Hunter of doing exactly the same thing.

But the child porn accusations though.

I'm thinking Epstein. How young were the girls he set Trump up with? Go on, Donald, why don't you tell us what "Hunter Biden" did?

Babbylonian 22nd October 2020 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 13267071)
I'm thinking Epstein. How young were the girls he set Trump up with? Go on, Donald, why don't you tell us what "Hunter Biden" did?

The one Trump beat and raped was 13.

varwoche 22nd October 2020 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13266951)
How long did it take you to get to the bottom of it?

I'm glad there is a Dr. Keith.

TellyKNeasuss 22nd October 2020 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13266873)
"@seanmdav
Text messages obtained by
@FDRLST
show Hunter Biden personally arranging a meeting with his business partners and Joe Biden to discuss a major deal with CEFC, a Chinese energy company. The meeting occurred at the Beverly Hilton in L.A. in early May. Texts are from May 2, 2017."

"@seanmdav
The next morning, on May 3, 2017, Hunter's business partner-turned-whistleblower Tony Bobulinski texted James Biden--Hunter's uncle/Joe Biden's brother--and asked him to "please thank Joe for his time" for the meeting they all had on May 2 to discuss the China business deal."

I'm trying to understand what the significance of this is. Joe Biden was no longer the VP and at this time it was not at all clear that he would run in 2020. Meanwhile, we know for a fact that Trump has been engaged in personal business dealings with a bank controlled by the Chinese government while president.

Stacyhs 22nd October 2020 04:29 PM

For an excellent review of the Hunter Biden laptop 'scandal' from NBC and how ridiculous it is:
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Inside the campaign to 'pizzagate' Hunter Biden
Pizzagate-style rumors in 2016 were largely confined to far-right message boards. This year, they are reaching the mainstream with help from a website boosted by Trump.
Some of the same people who pushed a false conspiracy theory about Hillary Clinton that first emerged in 2016 are now targeting Hunter Biden, Joe Biden's son, with similar falsehoods. Their online posts are garnering astronomical numbers of shares on social media.

The fantastical rumors, which NBC News is declining to repeat verbatim, echo specific plot points central to "pizzagate," a viral disinformation campaign that predates QAnon but also falsely alleges a vast conspiracy of child abuse.

There is an important difference, however. The pizzagate-style rumors in 2016 were largely confined to far-right message boards like 4chan and parts of Reddit. But the Hunter Biden iteration of the same conspiracy theory took off last weekend with the help of speculation from conservative TV hosts and members of Congress. Their theorizing can be traced back to a new website that has been promoted by President Donald Trump and his surrogates.

The path of the conspiracy theory highlights how once-obscure and fringe claims are now able to reach mainstream conservative media and even elected officials in the run-up to the 2020 election.

The disinformation campaign appears to have been successful in its goal of generating a smear against the former vice president's son. According to Google Trends, "human trafficking" is now the third-most common related search term for "Hunter Biden" in the last year, after "laptop" and "New York Post," which point to search interest around the unconfirmed allegations that a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden contained evidence of crimes.
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But the child abuse conspiracy theories about Hunter Biden that emerged from the fringes of the internet began swirling before the New York Post article and can be traced to associates of former White House aide Steve Bannon.
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She noted that pushing child abuse conspiracy theories echoes what Bannon has publicly advocated in an effort to alter how voters feel.

"This is gaslighting of the highest order," Phillips said. "This has been the Steve Bannon playbook this entire time. He has celebrated the strategy of 'flooding the zone with s---' — when you confuse people, when you make them angry, when you just sort of throw too many things at them for them to process."
Read the rest of it. It's quite illuminating.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss (Post 13267105)
I'm trying to understand what the significance of this is. Joe Biden was no longer the VP and at this time it was not at all clear that he would run in 2020. Meanwhile, we know for a fact that Trump has been engaged in personal business dealings with a bank controlled by the Chinese government while president.

"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump spent a decade unsuccessfully pursuing projects in China, operating an office there during his first run for president and forging a partnership with a major government-controlled company, The New York Times reported Tuesday.

China is one of only three foreign nations — the others are Britain and Ireland — where Trump maintains a bank account, according to a Times analysis of the president’s tax records. The foreign accounts do not show up on Trump’s public financial disclosures, where he must list personal assets, because they are held under corporate names.

The Chinese account is controlled by Trump International Hotels Management LLC, which the tax records show paid $188,561 in taxes in China while pursuing licensing deals there from 2013 to 2015.

In response to questions from The Times, Alan Garten, a lawyer for the Trump Organization, said the company had “opened an account with a Chinese bank having offices in the United States in order to pay the local taxes” associated with efforts to do business there. He said the company had opened the account after establishing an office in China “to explore the potential for hotel deals in Asia.”

“No deals, transactions or other business activities ever materialized and, since 2015, the office has remained inactive,” Garten said. “Though the bank account remains open, it has never been used for any other purpose.”

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss (Post 13267105)
I'm trying to understand what the significance of this is. Joe Biden was no longer the VP and at this time it was not at all clear that he would run in 2020. Meanwhile, we know for a fact that Trump has been engaged in personal business dealings with a bank controlled by the Chinese government while president.

If you ignore Hunter saying he had to give "Pop" half his salary. If you ignore Joe saying he never discussed business with his son. If you ignore the last 4 years of lunatics saying Trump's financial ties to Russia which never materialized was a "security threat." Yes, you wouldn't understand, willfully.

TellyKNeasuss 22nd October 2020 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13267134)
"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump spent a decade unsuccessfully pursuing projects in China, operating an office there during his first run for president and forging a partnership with a major government-controlled company, The New York Times reported Tuesday.
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“No deals, transactions or other business activities ever materialized and, since 2015, the office has remained inactive,” Garten said. “Though the bank account remains open, it has never been used for any other purpose.”

The Industrial and Commercial Bank of China rents space in the Trump Tower.

Beelzebuddy 22nd October 2020 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss (Post 13267105)
I'm trying to understand what the significance of this is. Joe Biden was no longer the VP and at this time it was not at all clear that he would run in 2020. Meanwhile, we know for a fact that Trump has been engaged in personal business dealings with a bank controlled by the Chinese government while president.

That's the same year in which THIC, the Trump-surrogate corporation with the Chinese bank account, reported $17.5 million in revenue, more than five times its usual income, $15 million of which was withdrawn directly by Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/u...xes-china.html

Every accusation is a confession.

Mader Levap 22nd October 2020 05:02 PM

This is how democracy in USA is dying.

Politics can be conducted only when competing ideologies can co-exist more or less peacefully.

Making up Russia-style dirt on political opponents is sign this situation changed in USA. How can someone co-exist peacefully with cabal of child rapists in dungeon of some pizza parlor? How can someone co-exist peacefully with political force that claims - or even believes - such loony things?

It is not like it will stop after elections, regardless of who wins (though obviously Trump's win would make things way, way worse very quickly).

I can only hope degenerate far-rightwing neofascist ideology in USA will lose again, like their spiritual ancestors in first civil war or spiritual brothers in second world war.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13267112)
For an excellent review of the Hunter Biden laptop 'scandal' from NBC and how ridiculous it is:





Read the rest of it. It's quite illuminating.

It actually started with a text of Hunter's in which he claims to be accused of face timing a minor naked lol.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss (Post 13267137)
The Industrial and Commercial Bank of China rents space in the Trump Tower.


I can't help it if Trump Tower is a big beautiful building.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 13267138)
That's the same year in which THIC, the Trump-surrogate corporation with the Chinese bank account, reported $17.5 million in revenue, more than five times its usual income, $15 million of which was withdrawn directly by Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/u...xes-china.html

Every accusation is a confession.

LOL, Ignore the first half of the story that has to do with the Chinese bank account meaning nothing, focus on the legitimate company making money part? A confession isn't bad if there is nothing improper.

https://www.dnb.com/business-directo...328051400.html

"Trump International Hotels Management LLC is located in NY, United States and is part of the Hotels, Motels & Resorts Industry. Trump International Hotels Management LLC has 220 employees across all of its locations. There are 59 companies in the Trump International Hotels Management LLC corporate family.

Bogative 22nd October 2020 05:17 PM

Bobulinski just gave a press statement. He says he has emails and phones with a bunch of dirt on the Biden family, and he's heading to Washington DC tomorrow to turn it over to the FBI before going to Johnson's Senate committee for a little chat.

******* Putin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2JE...ature=emb_logo

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13267157)
Bobulinski just gave a press statement. He says he has emails and phones with a bunch of dirt on the Biden family, and he's heading to Washington DC tomorrow to turn it over to the FBI before going to Johnson's Senate committee for a little chat.

******* Putin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2JE...ature=emb_logo

lol, his name sounds Russian so I can't wait for the current Russian conspiracy theory here to evolve to include him.

Beelzebuddy 22nd October 2020 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13267157)
Bobulinski just gave a press statement. He says he has emails and phones with a bunch of dirt on the Biden family, and he's heading to Washington DC tomorrow to turn it over to the FBI before going to Johnson's Senate committee for a little chat.

******* Putin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2JE...ature=emb_logo

I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 05:32 PM

1 Attachment(s)
LOL, the crazy Chinese guy again. I'm really surprised no one jumped on this dude given he was talking about the Biden drives in Sept. And his story of 3 drives is totally different than Giuliani's.



https://twitter.com/ding_gang/status...46509129940996

Minoosh 22nd October 2020 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13267157)
Bobulinski just gave a press statement. He says he has emails and phones with a bunch of dirt on the Biden family, and he's heading to Washington DC tomorrow to turn it over to the FBI before going to Johnson's Senate committee for a little chat.

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13267163)
lol, his name sounds Russian so I can't wait for the current Russian conspiracy theory here to evolve to include him.

Hey TahiniBS: Bogative already used this line which detracts somewhat from your supposed zinger.

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13266881)
An e-mail to Hunter Biden's partner from a top Chinese official on July 26, 2017 shows the Chinese energy company CEFC proposed a $5 million "interest-free" loan to the Biden family "based on their trust on [Biden] family[.]"

Where is Sen. Johnson getting these allegedly Biden-related emails? ETA: From ... Bobulinski? How much do you figure Trump is paying this schmuck?

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13266881)
Interest Free Loans are illegal (violation of IRC). Loans over $100,000 require interest payment of AFR%-any amount paid. Further, that's around 70k per year interest which Bidens would have to report on their 709. Again if true, but those are the rules.

There's the rub, eh? If any of this stuff is true, then ...

... then what? Biden is compromised? What are the criminal charges supposed to be? Why is Barr saying ****-all despite his boss berating him on a morning Fox "News" chat show?

1. Hunter Biden drug problem
2. NY Post story does not mention sex allegations
3. Computer shop guy changes his story
4. Rudy belatedly brings up sex allegations, giving a drive or something to Delaware police who lob it straight back to the FBI, which has had the alleged original hard drive for almost a year
5. Now you're bringing in Sen. Ron Johnson, who had that ridiculous conversation with Maria Bartiroma trying to gin up sex allegations
6. Joe Biden is compromised!
7. And now you are saying ... what? Joe Biden is guilty of tax evasion?
8. Hey! Back to HB's drug problem!

This really is like a bad dream, when your brain tries to stitch together some sort of narrative based on random bits of flotsam being processed by your sleeping brain, but then you just can't hang onto it, you're already losing the plot.

TellyKNeasuss 22nd October 2020 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13267147)
I can't help it if Trump Tower is a big beautiful building.

Which doesn't change the fact that Trump, while president, is personally profiting from a business deal with a foreign government.

Venom 22nd October 2020 06:14 PM

The "October surprise" is only a threat to Biden's campaign because millions of jackasses in this country pretend that the past four, five years were perfectly fine and unblemished, or their memory is just that bad.

pgwenthold 22nd October 2020 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13266197)
Yesterday's Daily Beans podcast has an interview with Natasha Bertrand about her story which had the letter from 50 former intelligence agents saying this had the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign. There's some interesting context in there.

Host Allison Gill also says that the rumours she's heard is that this is all leading up to a big revelation. Giuliani has allegedly spent the last few months building a fake paedophile ring in Eastern Europe, complete with fake arrests, that he will tie Biden to.

I have no idea as to Gill's credibility or reliability when it comes to predictions and rumours, although I do know that she's not always 100% on the known facts and she wears her bias on her sleeve, but I thought I'd mention it in case that is how the story develops in the next couple of weeks.

50 million people have already voted. If there's some big bombshell, what are they waiting for?

There's no bimbshell, there are desperate attempts to find anything they can. If they had anything, they wouldn't be sitting in it

Norman Alexander 22nd October 2020 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 13267240)
50 million people have already voted. If there's some big bombshell, what are they waiting for?

There's no bimbshell, there are desperate attempts to find anything they can. If they had anything, they wouldn't be sitting in it

Assuming that's a typo, it's a good one! Rudi got caught by a bimbshell.

Tero 22nd October 2020 07:20 PM

Trump scrapped the 60 min interview because she dismissed Hunter laptop:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._verified.html

TellyKNeasuss 22nd October 2020 09:31 PM

https://www.newsweek.com/wsj-newsroo...ecords-1541553

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Following the publication of the opinion article, Wall Street Journal reporters Andrew Duehren and James T. Areddy wrote a news article stating, "The venture—set up in 2017 after Mr. Biden left the vice presidency and before his presidential campaign—never received proposed funds from the Chinese company or completed any deals, according to people familiar with the matter. Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden."

llwyd 22nd October 2020 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 13267240)
50 million people have already voted. If there's some big bombshell, what are they waiting for?

There's no bimbshell, there are desperate attempts to find anything they can. If they had anything, they wouldn't be sitting in it

This pretty much. I think "Hunter Biden's laptop" was supposed to be it but it turned out to be a dud. Time is running out.

Darat 22nd October 2020 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13266901)
Seen on Twitter:

Hey guys no foolin' but I just found Hunter Biden's old Texas Instruments TI-80 graphing calculator at a Goodwill store in Doglick, Montana and on it were plans to kill God. We need to take this seriously.

Not only that but we found an even older Casio calculator that he could have owned that can spell BOOBS, and he could have shown that to underage girls during break time!

Darat 22nd October 2020 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13267205)
Hey TahiniBS: Bogative already used this line which detracts somewhat from your supposed zinger.

Where is Sen. Johnson getting these allegedly Biden-related emails? ETA: From ... Bobulinski? How much do you figure Trump is paying this schmuck?

There's the rub, eh? If any of this stuff is true, then ...

... then what? Biden is compromised? What are the criminal charges supposed to be? Why is Barr saying ****-all despite his boss berating him on a morning Fox "News" chat show?

1. Hunter Biden drug problem
2. NY Post story does not mention sex allegations
3. Computer shop guy changes his story
4. Rudy belatedly brings up sex allegations, giving a drive or something to Delaware police who lob it straight back to the FBI, which has had the alleged original hard drive for almost a year
5. Now you're bringing in Sen. Ron Johnson, who had that ridiculous conversation with Maria Bartiroma trying to gin up sex allegations
6. Joe Biden is compromised!
7. And now you are saying ... what? Joe Biden is guilty of tax evasion?
8. Hey! Back to HB's drug problem!

This really is like a bad dream, when your brain tries to stitch together some sort of narrative based on random bits of flotsam being processed by your sleeping brain, but then you just can't hang onto it, you're already losing the plot.

In regards to number 4, he is claiming he has copies of the material from the laptop, don’t know about the USA but “need to smear a political opponent” is not a defence to having copies of illegal porn.


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