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Ziggurat 22nd October 2020 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13267444)
In regards to number 4, he is claiming he has copies of the material from the laptop, don’t know about the USA but “need to smear a political opponent” is not a defence to having copies of illegal porn.

I haven't seen anyone in a position to know describe the pictures as actually pornographic. Do you have a source for that, or is that just someone's assumption?

dirtywick 22nd October 2020 10:52 PM

Although I think it's a bit weird to think out of everything he's said about the matter that Giuliani would be lying about that, but he has described him as having numerous sexually inappropriate pictures of underage girls.

Ziggurat 22nd October 2020 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13267458)
Although I think it's a bit weird to think out of everything he's said about the matter that Giuliani would be lying about that, but he has described him as having numerous sexually inappropriate pictures of underage girls.

There's a lot which is inappropriate but not actually pornographic. For example, I would describe a 50 year old man french kissing a 14 year old girl as sexually inappropriate, but not pornographic. I don't really want to know the details of these photos, but which side of the line they fall on depends on those details.

dirtywick 22nd October 2020 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13267463)
There's a lot which is inappropriate but not actually pornographic. For example, I would describe a 50 year old man french kissing a 14 year old girl as sexually inappropriate, but not pornographic. I don't really want to know the details of these photos, but which side of the line they fall on depends on those details.

Well he turned it over to the police for it so that's generally described as child pornography. Whether or not certain types of child pornography are or are not actually pornographic is more thought that I'm comfortable giving the topic of child pornography.

Ziggurat 22nd October 2020 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13267466)
Well he turned it over to the police for it so that's generally described as child pornography.

Not necessarily. There's a possible child endangerment angle that the police would have reason to investigate even absent pornography.

dirtywick 22nd October 2020 11:39 PM

Sexually inappropriate photographs endangering children of a non pornographic variety? I don't want to figure out what that means I'm sorry. I'd rather just say you win than try

Ziggurat 23rd October 2020 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13267484)
Sexually inappropriate photographs endangering children of a non pornographic variety? I don't want to figure out what that means I'm sorry. I'd rather just say you win than try

Given that this is Hunter Biden we’re talking about, drug use may be involved as well.

Squeegee Beckenheim 23rd October 2020 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13267452)
I haven't seen anyone in a position to know describe the pictures as actually pornographic. Do you have a source for that, or is that just someone's assumption?

It's claimed that there is at least one picture of a 14 year old girl topless.

Dr. Keith 23rd October 2020 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13266955)
Stop putting words in my mouth. Never said it was open shut. I pointed out that the emails clearly show a no interest loan and that it's not allowed as no interest. You want to debunk that, go ahead.

Have you applied to the FBI? They could use your clear headed analysis.

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You assume that the FBI would raid Biden's house and arrest him at some point over the past 10 months it if it were illegal. The FBI has more to do in such an investigation. You have no clue what is in the 25,000 emails, neither do I. Therefore, I'm not putting a time limit on it. If there were crimes, it wouldn't just be Biden the FBI was investigating, and there isn't a clock ticking regardless of them receiving the laptop 10 months ago.
I just like the assumption you are making that whatever is in those documents it only makes things worse for the Bidens.

There was a clock ticking, but then we all voted. Now the investigation is moot because the one Biden will have the power to pardon the rest and presidential immunity. Have your learned nothing from how Trump collared Barr and the DOJ?

Dr. Keith 23rd October 2020 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13266958)
You're the one saying the FBI got to the bottom of it and it was a nothing burger. Me pointing out your mysterious 10 month rule is bolderdash is what it is. Regardless of whatever words you try to insert into my mouth.

Clear documentary evidence of "wrongdoing" followed by months of inaction. There are no zebras coming to Trump's rescue on this one.

Dr. Keith 23rd October 2020 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13267136)
If you ignore Hunter saying he had to give "Pop" half his salary. If you ignore Joe saying he never discussed business with his son. If you ignore the last 4 years of lunatics saying Trump's financial ties to Russia which never materialized was a "security threat." Yes, you wouldn't understand, willfully.

If you ignore that the FBI has had all this information for months and hasn't been able to draw the same conclusions you have from just the bits leaked by Rudy, then it all makes total sense.

People who rely on Rudy sort of deserve to be punked by Rudy. Sorry, that may be cruel but I feel it bears mentioning at this point.

Next year I expect a two hour special on the History channel that will somehow further link this to Nazi gold.

Dr. Keith 23rd October 2020 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13267147)
I can't help it if Trump Tower is a big beautiful building.

I heard it is mushroom shaped and most of the people who have earned money off it don't have good things to say about it.

Dr. Keith 23rd October 2020 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13267157)
Bobulinski just gave a press statement. He says he has emails and phones with a bunch of dirt on the Biden family, and he's heading to Washington DC tomorrow to turn it over to the FBI before going to Johnson's Senate committee for a little chat.

******* Putin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2JE...ature=emb_logo

If only the FBI had investigated that laptop they may have talked to this guy earlier.

Freaking hilarious.

Maybe the full Senate should spend all of next week on this super serious topic. I could go for that.

Dr. Keith 23rd October 2020 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13267171)
LOL, the crazy Chinese guy again. I'm really surprised no one jumped on this dude given he was talking about the Biden drives in Sept. And his story of 3 drives is totally different than Giuliani's.



https://twitter.com/ding_gang/status...46509129940996

You found a picture of an admitted drug addict doing drugs? I heard that was nearly impossible because drug addicts are know to be super careful people.

I Am The Scum 23rd October 2020 08:12 AM

Interesting analysis from a reporter who looked through all of Bobabooey's e-mails.
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I completed searching all of Tony Bobulinski’s emails. They establish:
•the “Chairman” is China.
• NO ROLE for Joe Biden in emails/docs
• Tony Bobulinski states himself there are NO OTHER MEMBERS besides Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Rob Walker, James Gillar, and Bobulinski
You win a gold star if you guess which network she works for.

varwoche 23rd October 2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13267492)
Given that this is Hunter Biden we’re talking about, drug use may be involved as well.

True. And how very pertinent to not one damn thing, on the eve of this historic election.

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13267795)
Have you applied to the FBI? They could use your clear headed analysis.

What makes you think that?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13267795)
I just like the assumption you are making that whatever is in those documents it only makes things worse for the Bidens.

Never said that.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13267795)
There was a clock ticking, but then we all voted. Now the investigation is moot because the one Biden will have the power to pardon the rest and presidential immunity. Have your learned nothing from how Trump collared Barr and the DOJ?

There is no clock ticking, the investigation ends when it ends.

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13267809)
You found a picture of an admitted drug addict doing drugs? I heard that was nearly impossible because drug addicts are know to be super careful people.

Nope, you still miss the point of the post. It's rather odd since it would help the "nothingburger" side. And it's been repeatedly handed on a silver platter.

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13267798)
Clear documentary evidence of "wrongdoing" followed by months of inaction. There are no zebras coming to Trump's rescue on this one.

What makes you think there is no action?

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13267205)
Hey TahiniBS: Bogative already used this line which detracts somewhat from your supposed zinger.

Where is Sen. Johnson getting these allegedly Biden-related emails? ETA: From ... Bobulinski? How much do you figure Trump is paying this schmuck?

Assumes facts not in evidence.

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13267205)
There's the rub, eh? If any of this stuff is true, then ...

... then what? Biden is compromised? What are the criminal charges supposed to be? Why is Barr saying ****-all despite his boss berating him on a morning Fox "News" chat show?

There are no criminal charges, may be some later, may not be.

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13267205)
1. Hunter Biden drug problem
2. NY Post story does not mention sex allegations
3. Computer shop guy changes his story
4. Rudy belatedly brings up sex allegations, giving a drive or something to Delaware police who lob it straight back to the FBI, which has had the alleged original hard drive for almost a year
5. Now you're bringing in Sen. Ron Johnson, who had that ridiculous conversation with Maria Bartiroma trying to gin up sex allegations
6. Joe Biden is compromised!
7. And now you are saying ... what? Joe Biden is guilty of tax evasion?
8. Hey! Back to HB's drug problem!

1. Yes.
2. So?
3. In what way? Cite?
4. So?
5. So? Also, did I bring up Sen Johnson?
6. Maybe.
7. Never said tax evasion.
8. It never went anywhere to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13267205)
This really is like a bad dream, when your brain tries to stitch together some sort of narrative based on random bits of flotsam being processed by your sleeping brain, but then you just can't hang onto it, you're already losing the plot.

You just listed your narrative.

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13267802)
If you ignore that the FBI has had all this information for months and hasn't been able to draw the same conclusions you have from just the bits leaked by Rudy, then it all makes total sense.

People who rely on Rudy sort of deserve to be punked by Rudy. Sorry, that may be cruel but I feel it bears mentioning at this point.

Next year I expect a two hour special on the History channel that will somehow further link this to Nazi gold.

You don't know what conclusions the FBI has or hadn't made.

The Great Zaganza 23rd October 2020 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13267935)
You don't know what conclusions the FBI has or hadn't made.

well, it seems like it didn't tell Rudy to keep his mouth shut.

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13267937)
well, it seems like it didn't tell Rudy to keep his mouth shut.

He's under no obligation to.

TruthJonsen 23rd October 2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13267157)
Bobulinski just gave a press statement. He says he has emails and phones with a bunch of dirt on the Biden family, and he's heading to Washington DC tomorrow to turn it over to the FBI before going to Johnson's Senate committee for a little chat.

******* Putin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2JE...ature=emb_logo

For some reason the link above cuts off the first two minutes, where Bobulinski attempts to establish some credibility and is more damning to Biden.

Here is the entire statement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiiSq7toqlQ

varwoche 23rd October 2020 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13267939)
He's under no obligation to.

This outstanding thread inspires me to bask in the tweets, now deleted, from the pop singer who was purportedly banging DJTJ (a mark against her credibility) in which she said DJTJ hates daddy, Eric and wife engaged in kinky 3 way stuff, Baron is a monster like the kid in The Omen, and Ivanka is confused about her sexual orientation.

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13267989)
This outstanding thread inspires me to bask in the tweets, now deleted, from the pop singer who was purportedly banging DJTJ (a mark against her credibility) in which she said DJTJ hates daddy, Eric and wife engaged in kinky 3 way stuff, Baron is a monster like the kid in The Omen, and Ivanka is confused about her sexual orientation.


Ok.

Skeptic Ginger 23rd October 2020 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TruthJonsen (Post 13267941)
For some reason the link above cuts off the first two minutes, where Bobulinski attempts to establish some credibility and is more damning to Biden.

Here is the entire statement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiiSq7toqlQ

This is hogwash. Guy waves phones around, claims there's info on them blah blah blah.

Armitage72 23rd October 2020 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13267506)
It's claimed that there is at least one picture of a 14 year old girl topless.


Even if the photos exist, it could depend on the context. I remember years ago several newspapers and magazines were throwing a fit because major bookstores like Barnes & Noble were stocking books in their Art & Photography section by some photographer who photographed naturist families, including their children. That was ruled to not be pornography.
Yes, I realize that if the photos exist, they're unlikely to be art photos. But the "if" is the important part first. One of my college professors used to say "If my aunt had wheels, she'd be a teacart."

Minoosh 23rd October 2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13267931)
Assumes facts not in evidence.



There are no criminal charges, may be some later, may not be.



1. Yes.
2. So?
3. In what way? Cite?
4. So?
5. So? Also, did I bring up Sen Johnson?
6. Maybe.
7. Never said tax evasion.
8. It never went anywhere to begin with.



You just listed your narrative.

I crafted a detailed response but I'm too tired of your games to keep engaging with you. Cheers.

Minoosh 23rd October 2020 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13268074)
Yes, I realize that if the photos exist, they're unlikely to be art photos.

When I was 14 I posed for a boyfriend who was taking an art class. The photos weren't erotic. This is a useless anecdote, except that I can attest that it does happen.

There were no laptops in those days, but if there had been, I don't think he would have titled them "my 14-year-old girlfriend nude."

I wonder how many computer-killing liquid spills involve precious bodily fluids ... I know, ew.

Minoosh 23rd October 2020 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13268073)
This is hogwash. Guy waves phones around, claims there's info on them blah blah blah.

He canceled his meeting with Johnson, allegedly because the FBI wants to talk to him.

God what a sleaze Johnson is. He was the one cooking up a pedophile angle with Maria Bartiroma in a Fox clip you posted.

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 01:32 PM

Steve Bannon's "War Room" claims

https://twitter.com/cacackler/status...01783262994433

"One thing that the rest of the Biden family might want to understand is that Hunter tracks all your phones. He looks at all your text messages."

"Oops! And that's all in there."

Gulliver Foyle 23rd October 2020 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13264019)
*Wheels the chalkboard into the room...*

Okay so.... the evil Jewish cabal... in associations with the NWO (both the evil global conspiracy and the 90s Wrestling Stable)... built the Denver Airport... as a place to hide Hillary's E-mail server... to cover up the fact the she killed Vince Foster... to prevent him from talking about her secret underground pizza parlor child sex dungeon... and the pieces that connect the dots where all on Hunter Biden's laptop.

Don't forget the reverse vampires!

Roger Ramjets 23rd October 2020 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13268100)
Steve Bannon's "War Room" claims

https://twitter.com/cacackler/status...01783262994433

"One thing that the rest of the Biden family might want to understand is that Hunter tracks all your phones. He looks at all your text messages."

"Oops! And that's all in there."

And?


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He's under no obligation to.
How do you know that?


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You don't know what conclusions the FBI has or hadn't made.
Do you know?


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There are no criminal charges, may be some later, may not be.
Evidence?

Stacyhs 23rd October 2020 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13268077)
I crafted a detailed response but I'm too tired of your games to keep engaging with you. Cheers.

:thumbsup:

Gulliver Foyle 23rd October 2020 02:04 PM

I skipped ten pages just to get to the end, and I see that it's simply the same set of trumpistas pushing the same line of bovine excrement they were three days ago. Do they never tire of being constantly wrong?

Stacyhs 23rd October 2020 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle (Post 13268127)
I skipped ten pages just to get to the end, and I see that it's simply the same set of trumpistas pushing the same line of bovine excrement they were three days ago. Do they never tire of being constantly wrong?

No. They get to be just like Dear Leader that way.

Firestone 23rd October 2020 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle (Post 13268127)
I skipped ten pages just to get to the end, and I see that it's simply the same set of trumpistas pushing the same line of bovine excrement they were three days ago. Do they never tire of being constantly wrong?

Other set of people, but ... no, they never tire.

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets (Post 13268106)
And?

And nothing, the post is what it is. Sorry if you have a problem with posting the actual allegations.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets (Post 13268106)
How do you know that?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The highlighted part.


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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets (Post 13268106)
Do you know?

Asked and answered already.

"Neither you or I know what the FBI or DOJ is doing, stop pretending you do"


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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets (Post 13268106)
Evidence?

"There are no criminal charges, may be some later, may not be"
Add that to ""Neither you or I know what the FBI or DOJ is doing, stop pretending you do"

Bogative 23rd October 2020 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13268100)
Steve Bannon's "War Room" claims

https://twitter.com/cacackler/status...01783262994433

"One thing that the rest of the Biden family might want to understand is that Hunter tracks all your phones. He looks at all your text messages."

"Oops! And that's all in there."


Jake Tapper and Christiana Amanpour claimed on air there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden and mentioned Steve Bannon by name.

Bannon offered an invitation for the two of them to come down the street to the "Warm Room" and he would show them what he has. He even offered to take the hard drive contents to CNN so they could have a look.

No doubt they are arranging the meeting now. <––––sarcasm


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