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Cavemonster 23rd October 2020 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13268159)
Jake Tapper and Christiana Amanpour claimed on air there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden and mentioned Steve Bannon by name.

Bannon offered an invitation for the two of them to come down the street to the "Warm Room" and he would show them what he has. He even offered to take the hard drive contents to CNN so they could have a look.

No doubt they are arranging the meeting now. <––––sarcasm

You mean this Steve Bannon?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/n...-indicted.html

Beats me completely why his accusations would not be taken seriously.

jerrywayne 23rd October 2020 03:00 PM

Does this change anything?

"Tony Bobulinski, who claims to be a former business associate of former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, will sit for an interview with the FBI regarding his knowledge about the Biden family's business dealings."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jerrywayne (Post 13268175)
Does this change anything?

"Tony Bobulinski, who claims to be a former business associate of former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, will sit for an interview with the FBI regarding his knowledge about the Biden family's business dealings."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

It's Russian disinformation, and you can't prove he met with the FBI, and even if it's true nothing illegal was done, and if anything illegal was done, Hunter isn't running for President.

I Am The Scum 23rd October 2020 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jerrywayne (Post 13268175)
Does this change anything?

"Tony Bobulinski, who claims to be a former business associate of former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, will sit for an interview with the FBI regarding his knowledge about the Biden family's business dealings."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

No, I'm pretty sure there's still nobody named Hunter on the ballot.

varwoche 23rd October 2020 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13268023)
Ok.

You're the one blazing the path to madness. Glad you're ok with an imitator.

Minoosh 23rd October 2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jerrywayne (Post 13268175)
Does this change anything?

"Tony Bobulinski, who claims to be a former business associate of former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, will sit for an interview with the FBI regarding his knowledge about the Biden family's business dealings."

The beauty of announcing he's meeting with the FBI is that the FBI can't confirm or deny it.

wareyin 23rd October 2020 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13268181)
It's Russian disinformation, and you can't prove he met with the FBI, and even if it's true nothing illegal was done, and if anything illegal was done, Hunter isn't running for President.

Isn't it funny that people in the right wing news bubbles can only get close to the truth when they're trying to be sarcastic?

Yes, the laptop looks like it's Russian disinformation, as more than 50 experienced intelligence pros have attested to. Know nothing brietbart experts may disagree, but that means less than nothing.

Yes, he hasn't met with the FBI yet. That's why it's spoken in the future tense.

Yes, there has been no evidence of anything illegal that has been presented, and the lack of any action by the DOJ even with Trump's pushing speaks to how little illegality has been found.

And yes, Hunter isn't running for President.

portlandatheist 23rd October 2020 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by uke2se (Post 13266738)
Why are you guys giving air to this obivious pile of Russian disinformation? Two Big Dog clones are tag-team-trolling this thread just to keep the discussion going. Let it die.

QFT. 16.5 strikes again.

Babbylonian 23rd October 2020 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13268220)

Yes, there has been no evidence of anything illegal that has been presented, and the lack of any action by the DOJ even with Trump's pushing speaks to how little illegality has been found.

Exactly. Barr is a spineless weasel and even he hasn't given Trump the legal action he desires against the Bidens. Either he hasn't been able to find a weasel in his service willing to take point on this baseless nonsense or there is an ethical line won't cross where he'll excuse any crime committed by a prominent Trumper but won't manufacture investigations against Trump's political enemies.

Minoosh 23rd October 2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13268237)
Exactly. Barr is a spineless weasel and even he hasn't given Trump the legal action he desires against the Bidens. Either he hasn't been able to find a weasel in his service willing to take point on this baseless nonsense or there is an ethical line won't cross where he'll excuse any crime committed by a prominent Trumper but won't manufacture investigations against Trump's political enemies.

I don't think it's an ethical line, exactly. There's some kind of fear there. Or maybe it's been worked out that having Sen. Ron Johnson on it is enough and Barr doesn't have to take a dive on it. Trump is probably still furious with Barr, though.

Minoosh 23rd October 2020 04:54 PM

Why is it that while the FBI and many other legitimate law enforcement agencies keep details of their investigations quiet for as long as possible, congressional committees seem to make as much noise as possible?

I guess to the FBI the work product is indictments and convictions, while with politicians, the work product is the noise.

Squeegee Beckenheim 23rd October 2020 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13268237)
Exactly. Barr is a spineless weasel and even he hasn't given Trump the legal action he desires against the Bidens. Either he hasn't been able to find a weasel in his service willing to take point on this baseless nonsense or there is an ethical line won't cross where he'll excuse any crime committed by a prominent Trumper but won't manufacture investigations against Trump's political enemies.

I think there's some truth to the latter. For all his many faults, Barr hasn't yet started a frivolous prosecution, and it doesn't look like he's inclined to start.

Roger Ramjets 23rd October 2020 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13268147)
And nothing, the post is what it is.

"I have no opinion on that".

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Sorry if you have a problem with posting the actual allegations.
I don't have a problem with posting allegations. I do have a problem with dumping random stuff into a thread without explanation.

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The highlighted part.
obligation
noun:
an act or course of action to which a person is morally or legally bound; a duty or commitment.

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"Neither you or I know what the FBI or DOJ is doing,
How do you know that?

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stop pretending you do"
How do you know the poster is pretending?

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"There are no criminal charges, may be some later, may not be"
"The Sun isn't going supernova, maybe some time later, may not be". "Stop pretending you know it won't".

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets (Post 13268266)
"I have no opinion on that".

I don't have a problem with posting allegations. I do have a problem with dumping random stuff into a thread without explanation.

Sorry if you think it's random or that I have to explain it to you.


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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets (Post 13268266)
obligation
noun:
an act or course of action to which a person is morally or legally bound; a duty or commitment.

The context was the FBI telling Rudy to zip it. You highlighted the wrong section, see legally. And if the emails are real, I would say he's actually morally obligated to release them.


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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets (Post 13268266)
How do you know that?

Because the FBI hasn't commented.

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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets (Post 13268266)
How do you know the poster is pretending?

He may not be, but if he thinks there is a 10 month time limit, he's wrong.

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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets (Post 13268266)
"The Sun isn't going supernova, maybe some time later, may not be". "Stop pretending you know it won't".

The sun will never go supernova.

There are no charges as of today unless they are under seal, that does not preclude the possibility of future charges. Anyone saying otherwise with certainty is either pretending to know, or wrong, or lying.

Elagabalus 23rd October 2020 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jerrywayne (Post 13268175)
Does this change anything?

"Tony Bobulinski, who claims to be a former business associate of former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, will sit for an interview with the FBI regarding his knowledge about the Biden family's business dealings."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp


Good ol' Tony BabaGanoush ...

I Am The Scum 23rd October 2020 08:20 PM

You guys ever know someone who, no matter how many times you explained it to them, would still go, "... but maaaybe he actually is a Nigerian prince!"

TahiniBinShawarma 23rd October 2020 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavemonster (Post 13268162)
You mean this Steve Bannon?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/n...-indicted.html

Beats me completely why his accusations would not be taken seriously.

Yes that Steve Bannon.

Here's Rudy standing with DingGang Wang who serves as a propaganda arm for Guo Wengui, who owns the yacht Bannon was arrested on, who's under FBI investigation, who's a fugitive from China. Bannon can be seen behind Rudy. Yan LiMeng in the mirror.

Does anyone else think the picture of Hunter smoking crack looks like it's taken from outside of the window? Or is it a picture of a screen? It's certainly not a selfie.

Beelzebuddy 23rd October 2020 09:42 PM

This "scandal" is like a sped up version of the Trump administration. Every time you think you've seen it all, that it can't possibly get any dumber or more farcical, something happens to plumb new depths of idiocy.

Turns out Rudy Giuliani's laptop story is too fishy even for Rudy Giuliani.

Skeptic Ginger 23rd October 2020 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 13268379)
This "scandal" is like a sped up version of the Trump administration. Every time you think you've seen it all, that it can't possibly get any dumber or more farcical, something happens to plumb new depths of idiocy.

Turns out Rudy Giuliani's laptop story is too fishy even for Rudy Giuliani.

Great description!

Firestone 24th October 2020 02:28 AM

never mind :)

Darat 24th October 2020 04:32 AM

Posted this in one of the over lapping threads, probably best for this thread:

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13268535)
I see that Rudi is admitting he committed one of the most abhorrent, in terms of morality not just legally, crimes. How he can live with himself I simply don't know.

This follows from his tweet when he said “ equally significant evidence of endangerment of children.”, in other words he says he sat on evidence of child endangerment. This is one of the few times “think of the children” does come into play, think about he sat on this evidence until it was politically advantageous for him to reveal it. He knew that at least one child was in possible danger and he did absolutely nothing about it. Hopefully he can be charged with something like a failure to report such evidence.

TahiniBinShawarma 24th October 2020 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13268565)
Posted this in one of the over lapping threads, probably best for this thread:



This follows from his tweet when he said “ equally significant evidence of endangerment of children.”, in other words he says he sat on evidence of child endangerment. This is one of the few times “think of the children” does come into play, think about he sat on this evidence until it was politically advantageous for him to reveal it. He knew that at least one child was in possible danger and he did absolutely nothing about it. Hopefully he can be charged with something like a failure to report such evidence.

1. That would be if you believe Rudy.
2. It had already been turned over to the FBI

Darat 24th October 2020 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13268588)
1. That would be if you believe Rudy.
2. It had already been turned over to the FBI

1) If one wishes to accept the laptop exists than one surely would believe what Rudi says about the content.
2) Nope.

a_unique_person 24th October 2020 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13268263)
I think there's some truth to the latter. For all his many faults, Barr hasn't yet started a frivolous prosecution, and it doesn't look like he's inclined to start.

Or he thinks he will wait and see who gets elected. He doesn't want to go down with the ship.

Squeegee Beckenheim 24th October 2020 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 13268619)
Or he thinks he will wait and see who gets elected. He doesn't want to go down with the ship.

There's been pressure on him since he took the job, and he'll be gone if there's a new president whatever he does or did.

wareyin 24th October 2020 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 13268619)
Or he thinks he will wait and see who gets elected. He doesn't want to go down with the ship.

Trump is already threatening to fire Barr even if he wins because of this.

varwoche 24th October 2020 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13268615)
1) If one wishes to accept the laptop exists than one surely would believe what Rudi says about the content.
2) Nope.

Sorry Darat, these advanced concepts are going to require a detailed, step-by-step breakdown lest we fail to grasp. Are you actually going so far to say that when a person says this, and also says that...

Never mind. I need to contemplate this conundrum further.

Gulliver Foyle 24th October 2020 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jerrywayne (Post 13268175)
Does this change anything?

"Tony Bobulinski, who claims to be a former business associate of former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, will sit for an interview with the FBI regarding his knowledge about the Biden family's business dealings."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

No, Bobulinski being invited to make a statement under caution or face arrest and charge changes nothing, really.

TahiniBinShawarma 24th October 2020 02:43 PM

Crazy Chinese dude (Wang DingGang) has started releasing Hunter Biden pictures and video.

Not posting the link, completely unnecessary. This is the guy tied in with Bannon and Giuliani.

Bogative 24th October 2020 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13268987)
Crazy Chinese dude (Wang DingGang) has started releasing Hunter Biden pictures and video.

Not posting the link, completely unnecessary. This is the guy tied in with Bannon and Giuliani.


The video of some woman pleasuring Hunter Biden with her feet while he hits the crack pipe, talks about how good the camera angle is and also videos with his smart phone is obviously a deep fake. ******* Putin!

So much for the argument that all of this was unbelievable nonsense made up by Giuliani.

Skeptic Ginger 24th October 2020 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13268642)
Trump is already threatening to fire Barr even if he wins because of this.

Trump always puts 'his' people in these positions: Trump expects them to go too far, tell one lie too blatant, and when they don't show proper loyalty he gets rid of them and complains about how disgusting the person was.

wareyin 24th October 2020 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13269060)
The video of some woman pleasuring Hunter Biden with her feet while he hits the crack pipe, talks about how good the camera angle is and also videos with his smart phone is obviously a deep fake. ******* Putin!

So much for the argument that all of this was unbelievable nonsense made up by Giuliani.

Is that video supposed to have been on the laptop? Or was this from the stuff someone was selling in the Ukraine last year for $5 mil that Giuliani passed on?


Wait, it doesn't really matter, does it? We now have evidence that an admitted drug user used drugs while being related to someone on the ballot. That tears it, I'm not going to vote for Hunter Biden.

dirtywick 24th October 2020 04:35 PM

Sex tapes are so 90s

TahiniBinShawarma 24th October 2020 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13269085)
Sex tapes are so 90s

They are, that's why I didn't post the link. He's supposedly dropping a new one every hour.

TahiniBinShawarma 24th October 2020 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13269081)
Is that video supposed to have been on the laptop? Or was this from the stuff someone was selling in the Ukraine last year for $5 mil that Giuliani passed on?

I'm trying to figure out if Giuliani gave crazy Chinese dude a copy of the laptop through Bannon, to use for Lude Media. Which is an anti Chinese group hooked up with Bannon. That's the most likely scenario at this point. Crazy Chinese guy claims to have 3 drives of compromising material which was put together by the CCP lol. Completely not believable. Haven't even heard a claim on how he obtained the supposed 3. Wang DingGang mentioned the drives on his show back in September.

Bogative 24th October 2020 05:17 PM

These are the denials and dismissals from the first two pages after Giuliani broke the story. I'd post the rest of them but the per-post character limit would require there to be several more posts and I don't want to get nicked for spamming. Besides, they would be ignored as well.

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13257833)
Sounds more like an October Pile of **** than Surprise.

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13257842)
Utter BS. If there was actual incriminating evidence in the hands of a private citizen, they'd release it.

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13257880)
The whole thing sounds like a contrived pile of horse manure.

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13257896)
Obamagate is the new Pizzagate: everyone who thinks there is something there comes back looking like an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13258007)
What makes you think any of it, even if there is any "it," is true? It's not like Rudy is a picture of integrity and probity, or even sobriety.

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13258037)
At this point Rudy Giuliani has so little credibility left that nobody will care that nobody even responds to this nonsense

It's like, too stupid for a soap opera plot line.

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13258057)
Everyone else who isn't neck deep into right wing nonsense isn't going to believe any of that.

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Originally Posted by gypsyjackson (Post 13258343)
I think we’re getting that from the whole situation being a fabrication.

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13258353)
*Very slowly* Because if this was an actual news story with journalistic integrity and there was an actual legit papertrail linking this phantom computer that doesn't exist to Hunter Biden... okay brace yourself because this part gets complicated and is going to blow your mind... the article would have said so.

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Originally Posted by gypsyjackson (Post 13258377)
There couldn’t have been any contact details left, because imaginary people can’t leave contact details when they don’t leave imaginary laptops without imaginary stickers on with a man with an imaginary medical condition.

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13258466)
A comparison was made to Project Veritas, so maybe it was meant as a subtle way of saying "Yes, I know this is a complete fabrication, like everything Project Veritas has released."

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13258575)
Pretty hard to make any sense of the story except it's an attention getting fake and Rudy was desperate to find something.
I see they are trying everything they can to go after Hunter and connect the dots to Biden. After this fake, I think it makes it harder to sell any other stories.

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13258585)
Why isn't Rudy Giuliani being mocked on all channels for promoting this ridiculous nonsense ?

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13258586)
Oh for pity's sake! The story is as fake as trying to pass off Monopoly money as real money.

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 13258722)
Hmm tough call, is this incompetence and gullibility or getting good dirt from a loyal friend and simply not caring that it is fabricated?

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13258724)
Neither. He knows it's BS and he doesn't care.

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 13258728)
And that is different from simply not caring it is fabricated how?

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 13258739)
And my point is that he has a good history with being in bed with russian interests, not that they somehow took advantage of him. He knew it was crap but maybe he thought it would hang together a bit longer than it has.


wareyin 24th October 2020 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13269126)
These are the denials and dismissals from the first two pages after Giuliani broke the story. I'd post the rest of them but the per-post character limit would require there to be several more posts and I don't want to get nicked for spamming. Besides, they would be ignored as well.

Rather than reposting all the people mocking the fake laptop story, why don't you give us some reason to take it seriously? Was the video even claimed to be from the laptop?

Right now, you are crowing because a video has been released of Hunter doing drugs, or having consensual sex with an adult, I'm not sure which bit you think is problematic. Given that we are aware Hunter did drugs, and most adults have had consensual and legal sex at some point, what is the scandal? More importantly, what makes this a reason to vote for Trump?

Bogative 24th October 2020 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13269085)
Sex tapes are so 90s


Good news is he could probably be elected mayor of DC if he tried.

Bogative 24th October 2020 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13269133)
Rather than reposting all the people mocking the fake laptop story, why don't you give us some reason to take it seriously?

Why would I do that, I didn't dismiss the story based on politically driven incredulity?

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Was the video even claimed to be from the laptop?
Dog, I hope not! How hilarious would it be if there were multiple sources dumping dirt on the Bidens Bribens?

wareyin 24th October 2020 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13269136)
Why would I do that, I didn't dismiss the story based on politically driven incredulity?

We know you are still clinging to this preposterous story based on politically driven gullibility. I was just trying to get you to provide a reason you think others should have swallowed this hook line and sinker like you did.

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13269136)
Dog, I hope not! How hilarious would it be if there were multiple sources dumping dirt on the Bidens Bribens?

I guess you are behind the times. We've already discussed in this thread how even Giuliani thought this info was too sketchy when someone was selling it to him last year in the Ukraine.

And somehow, you seem reluctant to explain what "dirt" this is supposed to be, or why we should care. Hmm


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