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Captain_Swoop 5th October 2020 03:29 AM

Official House of Commons Twitter account banned from publicising the outcome of Parliamentary votes because informing the public about how their elected representatives have voted is supposedly ‘biased’ against the government.

https://evolvepolitics.com/tories-ba...he-government/

RolandRat 5th October 2020 10:52 AM

"Government dealt string of defeats on post-Brexit immigration bill in Lords

Peers have backed a call for unaccompanied child refugees to be reunited with close relatives in the UK as they inflicted a series of defeats on Boris Johnson's flagship post-Brexit immigration bill.

The Lords overwhelmingly supported an amendment by Lord Dubs, who himself fled the Nazis as a child, to restore potections after the EU transition period ends later this year.

Before the vote Lord Dubs had asked: “Surely it is right that when there are young people who have got relatives here that family reunion must be a basic, basic thing that we should support?"

The vote was one of a number of defeats home secretary Priti Patel suffered as peers considered the legislation in the Lords, just hours after she pledged to ‘fix’ what she said was a broken asylum system."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgdhp

Mojo 7th October 2020 09:48 AM

Boris has called for a response to the post-COVID era like the one after WWII:
Quote:

“In the depths of the second world war, in 1942, when just about everything had gone wrong, the government sketched out a vision of the postwar new Jerusalem that they wanted to build. And that is what we are doing now – in the teeth of this pandemic.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ch-really-mean

The first step seems obvious.

Mojo 7th October 2020 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13250582)


So many parallels:
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Churchill sought to use his wartime popularity as part of his campaign to keep the Conservatives in power after a wartime coalition had been spent since 1940 with the other political parties, but he faced questions from public opinion surrounding the Conservatives' actions in the 1930s and his ability to handle domestic issues unrelated to warfare. Clement Attlee, who led the Labour Party, was seen as a more competent leader by voters, particularly those who feared a return to the levels of unemployment in the 1930s and sought a strong figurehead in British politics to lead the postwar rebuilding of the country. Opinion polls when the election was called showed strong approval ratings for Churchill, but Labour had gradually gained support for months prior to the war's conclusion.

Captain_Swoop 7th October 2020 10:44 AM

Boris says it should be done by private enterprise and not state lead though. So no comparison with post ww2 at all.

Mojo 8th October 2020 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13250624)
Boris says it should be done by private enterprise and not state lead though.


As I said, the first step is obvious.

Darat 8th October 2020 09:24 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...he-lobbied-for

Sleaze.

Good old-fashioned Conservative behaviour!

Mojo 8th October 2020 01:41 PM

It’ll be OK, we’ll all be able to retrain as cinema projectionists, lock-keepers, or boxers.

Boxer or lock-keeper? Government careers quiz scorned by users

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A government jobs quiz aimed at identifying potential new areas of work provides a string of unhelpful career suggestions including lock-keeping and boxing as well as currently precarious posts including airline pilot and cinema projectionist, users have complained.

Captain_Swoop 8th October 2020 02:06 PM

Imagine how it would be now if Ed Milliband had won the election in 2015. A properly funded NHS with nurses and doctors who aren't demoralised, a public sector able to deal with the pandemic and stability instead of chaos and the disaster plus, no Brexit.
But there was a picture of him eating a bacon sandwich so obviously he wasn't fit to be Prime Minister.

sphenisc 8th October 2020 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13251950)
It’ll be OK, we’ll all be able to retrain as cinema projectionists, lock-keepers, or boxers.

Boxer or lock-keeper? Government careers quiz scorned by users

Thought we were all supposed to be digging foundations for offshore wind farms?

zooterkin 10th October 2020 07:14 AM

It may be the usual nostalgia effect, but I do not recall the UK having such a corrupt and incompetent government in my lifetime as we have now. While I may have disagreed (violently in some cases) with the policies, at least the people in the Cabinet were generally able to do their jobs, and with at least some semblance of doing things for the public good rather than lining the pockets of their friends.

P.J. Denyer 10th October 2020 09:37 AM

I honestly don't think it's just nostalgia.

Carrot Flower King 10th October 2020 10:36 AM

There's been the odd numpty or eejit in most cabinets during my life time (I'm in my early 60s), but this bunch aren't even sensible or competent enough to make it as numpties or eejits, well off into couldn't find the brewery for the drunken entertainment category.

Definitely NOT nostalgia.

Captain_Swoop 10th October 2020 03:21 PM

No 10 press secretary Allegra Stratton is married to the Spectator political editor who works with the commissioning editor married to Dominic Cummings adviser to Boris Johnson. The Spectator is part of Press Holdings: chairman Andrew Neil & owned by Barclay Bros.

P.J. Denyer 11th October 2020 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13253903)
No 10 press secretary Allegra Stratton is married to the Spectator political editor who works with the commissioning editor married to Dominic Cummings adviser to Boris Johnson. The Spectator is part of Press Holdings: chairman Andrew Neil & owned by Barclay Bros.

Here in Whitehall we have a lucrative contract to hand out, so hold on to your sears as it's time to spin "The Wheel of Nepotisim"!

Darat 11th October 2020 06:11 AM

The difference today is that more people have access to the information and you have lots of people not from the establishment willing to "publish" this information. Go back to Thatcher's years and they were all in it for backhanders, non-exec directorships, jobs and lucrative contracts and the like. Go back to the 60s and 70s and it was even worse, up to their necks for access to the "glamour" of the gangsters, to sex workers and all the rest.

And never forget that Major's years were embroiled in constant sleaze of every kind not just "family values", the press had enough sex stories to get them sales they didn't have space for all the other sleaze!

So I would say that they were equally incompetent back then, in fact I'd say they were worse because there was zero expectation that ministers were meant to do anything and be competent, it is a sign of a (very slow) change in culture that we now expect ministers to be competent and do something!

RolandRat 11th October 2020 04:00 PM

Following on from Patels stance on immigration:

"A “violent, racist attack” in which a man entered a law firm in London armed with a knife was inspired by a speech given by Priti Patel, lawyers have claimed.

On 7 September, a 28-year-old man entered the office of a law firm whose identity has been withheld, armed with a knife. He was subsequently charged with assault, racially aggravated public disorder, possession of, and making threats with, a bladed article in a public place and making threats to kill.

Days earlier, the home secretary had complained about “activist lawyers” who were working to delay the removal of failed asylum seekers."

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/knife-atta...154456285.html

caveman1917 11th October 2020 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolandRat (Post 13254746)
Following on from Patels stance on immigration:

"A “violent, racist attack” in which a man entered a law firm in London armed with a knife was inspired by a speech given by Priti Patel, lawyers have claimed.

On 7 September, a 28-year-old man entered the office of a law firm whose identity has been withheld, armed with a knife. He was subsequently charged with assault, racially aggravated public disorder, possession of, and making threats with, a bladed article in a public place and making threats to kill.

Days earlier, the home secretary had complained about “activist lawyers” who were working to delay the removal of failed asylum seekers."

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/knife-atta...154456285.html

Next up is black sites and kidnappings leaving targeted people in overburdened rafts on sea, who then risk being capsized by the Coast Guard to make them drown.

Gulliver Foyle 12th October 2020 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13251975)
Imagine how it would be now if Ed Milliband had won the election in 2015. A properly funded NHS with nurses and doctors who aren't demoralised, a public sector able to deal with the pandemic and stability instead of chaos and the disaster plus, no Brexit.
But there was a picture of him eating a bacon sandwich so obviously he wasn't fit to be Prime Minister.

Plus he got scared as the election drew in and dropped every single policy Labour had and began aping the tories.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13253559)
It may be the usual nostalgia effect, but I do not recall the UK having such a corrupt and incompetent government in my lifetime as we have now. While I may have disagreed (violently in some cases) with the policies, at least the people in the Cabinet were generally able to do their jobs, and with at least some semblance of doing things for the public good rather than lining the pockets of their friends.

The joke doing the rounds in diplomatic circles during the Thatcher years was how easily and cheaply UK ministers could be bought. I think the going rate was £10,000 for a Cabinet Secretary, and a bit of plamásing for the PM herself.

Captain_Swoop 15th October 2020 05:25 AM

How come Cummings gets away with £50k unpaid council tax when people have been sent to jail for owing a tiny fraction of that?

ponderingturtle 15th October 2020 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13258298)
How come Cummings gets away with £50k unpaid council tax when people have been sent to jail for owing a tiny fraction of that?

It's not what you do it's where you went to school?

Dave Rogers 15th October 2020 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13258298)
How come Cummings gets away with £50k unpaid council tax when people have been sent to jail for owing a tiny fraction of that?

I think you're being a bit hard on him. Which one of us hasn't occasionally lost track of how many houses they own for a decade or three?

Dave

The Don 15th October 2020 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers (Post 13258335)
I think you're being a bit hard on him. Which one of us hasn't occasionally lost track of how many houses they own for a decade or three?

Dave

Or converted some outbuildings but forgotten about them.....

Carrot Flower King 16th October 2020 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 13258313)
It's not what you do it's where you went to school?

Hey, I went to school in Durham City too!

Not that one though, but a better one. Cummings went to the one that in my day the lads who failed the 11+, but had wealthy parents, went to...

Darat 16th October 2020 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13258298)
How come Cummings gets away with £50k unpaid council tax when people have been sent to jail for owing a tiny fraction of that?

Text was probably too small for him to read and he didn’t have time to get to his optician.

Squeegee Beckenheim 17th October 2020 12:07 AM

Jennifer Arcuri has admitted that she had an affair with Johnson

Captain_Swoop 17th October 2020 02:46 AM

Johnson didn't tell the truth?

I'm shocked!

Captain_Swoop 17th October 2020 05:49 AM

I’m old enough to remember when paying public money for sex was called corruption and prostitution.

caveman1917 17th October 2020 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13258298)
How come Cummings gets away with £50k unpaid council tax when people have been sent to jail for owing a tiny fraction of that?

"You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship.. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--"
"Oh there you go, bringing class into it again."
"But that's what it's all about, if people only would -"
YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE

Captain_Swoop 17th October 2020 02:10 PM

Ministers should waste no time to make unpopular cuts to pensioner benefits, a think tank director has said.

Many of those hit by a cut to the winter fuel allowance might "not be around" at the next election, said Alex Wild of the Taxpayers' Alliance.

And others would forget which party had done it, he added.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34439965

Filippo Lippi 18th October 2020 05:23 AM

Still nothing from the Taxpayers Alliance on money being spaffed on the awful Test, Track and Trace system (I checked their website after reading that they are upset about MPs being reimbursed for poppy wreaths).

Squeegee Beckenheim 18th October 2020 06:48 AM

https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/s...22252524326912

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Downing Street has delivered an extraordinary snub to Britain’s first black archbishop by failing to award him an automatic life peerage.
Article embedded in tweet.

Ian Botham is a Lord.

Filippo Lippi 18th October 2020 07:34 AM

I don't really want Sentamu in the Lords, but I don't want Botham or Claire Fox there either. Can they just avoid giving peerages to twats for a bit?

gypsyjackson 18th October 2020 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13261424)
https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/s...22252524326912



Article embedded in tweet.

Ian Botham is a Lord.

Is it an extraordinary snub? I know former Archbishops of Canterbury tend to be given life peerages when they retire and thus lose their position as a Lord Spiritual, but I don’t recall Archbishops of York being given them. I don’t follow that side of the Palace of Westminster that closely, though, so I may be wrong.

ETA - I correct myself. The previous three Archbishops of York had been given life peerages, so it does seem unusual not to follow that pattern, small sample size aside.

Squeegee Beckenheim 18th October 2020 08:20 AM

FWIW, the reason given was that there are too many Lords.

Captain_Swoop 18th October 2020 09:13 AM

wrong thread

Carrot Flower King 18th October 2020 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13261488)
FWIW, the reason given was that there are too many Lords.

And yet there's space for "Lord" Botham of 1981 for services to grouse shooting?

Captain_Swoop 18th October 2020 10:10 AM

Perhaps his smile didn't extend as far as a watermelon for Boris's liking

'too many Lords' but Boris still found room for a Russian Oligarch and Ian bloody Botham!

P.J. Denyer 18th October 2020 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13261374)
Still nothing from the Taxpayers Alliance on money being spaffed on the awful Test, Track and Trace system (I checked their website after reading that they are upset about MPs being reimbursed for poppy wreaths).

I hope you used your visit to leave a message asking who funds them.

catsmate 18th October 2020 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13260952)
Ministers should waste no time to make unpopular cuts to pensioner benefits, a think tank director has said.

Many of those hit by a cut to the winter fuel allowance might "not be around" at the next election, said Alex Wild of the Taxpayers' Alliance.

And others would forget which party had done it, he added.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34439965

Ah, the right-wing libertarian nuts are true to form. :rolleyes:

Captain_Swoop 18th October 2020 01:02 PM

Multi-millionaire property developer Tony Gallagher who hosted David Cameron's 50th birthday party has received a knighthood for 'services to land development and the property business.' Gallagher has given the Tories almost £750,000 since Boris Johnson became prime minister.

Captain_Swoop 18th October 2020 02:19 PM

At 9pm on BBC1 was Roadkill, a fictional drama about a ruthless Tory MP who will stop at nothing to achieve his ambitions.
Or you could just watch the news and see the real thing.

P.J. Denyer 19th October 2020 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13261738)
At 9pm on BBC1 was Roadkill, a fictional drama about a ruthless Tory MP who will stop at nothing to achieve his ambitions.
Or you could just watch the news and see the real thing.

I don't watch the News any more, it got too unrealistic when the comic relief became the bad guys (twice, sack the writers!) & now it's just got that 'final season' vibe.

Carrot Flower King 19th October 2020 02:53 AM

2020 as a whole does seem to have been scripted by Charlie Brooker and Armando Ianucci, with additional material from Frankie Boyle.

P.J. Denyer 19th October 2020 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13262150)
2020 as a whole does seem to have been scripted by Charlie Brooker and Armando Ianucci, with additional material from Frankie Boyle.

Based on an idea by Mitchell & Webb

("Hello, Good Evening and Stay Indoors")

KDLarsen 19th October 2020 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gypsyjackson (Post 13261478)
Is it an extraordinary snub? I know former Archbishops of Canterbury tend to be given life peerages when they retire and thus lose their position as a Lord Spiritual, but I don’t recall Archbishops of York being given them. I don’t follow that side of the Palace of Westminster that closely, though, so I may be wrong.

ETA - I correct myself. The previous three Archbishops of York had been given life peerages, so it does seem unusual not to follow that pattern, small sample size aside.

Par for the course. John Bercow is still being denied a peerage as well.

Captain_Swoop 20th October 2020 02:41 AM

A mark of how badly Boris wanted Charles Moore to be BBC chairman is Boris agreed that the salary for the post could rise from £100,000 to £280,000, to match what Moore is paid by the Telegraph even though the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport pointed out that the government’s official position is to reduce pay at the BBC.

Carrot Flower King 20th October 2020 03:42 AM

Johnson wanted to throw money at a mate? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

Mind, he is the man who can't live on 150k and all the freebies he gets and who once described his quarter of a million a year from the Torygraph as "chicken feed", suggesting his grasp of personal finance is loose at best.

Mojo 20th October 2020 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13263483)
A mark of how badly Boris wanted Charles Moore to be BBC chairman is Boris agreed that the salary for the post could rise from £100,000 to £280,000, to match what Moore is paid by the Telegraph even though the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport pointed out that the government’s official position is to reduce pay at the BBC.


The overriding policy, though, seems to be to give money to their mates.

Mojo 20th October 2020 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13263511)
Johnson wanted to throw money at a mate? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

Mind, he is the man who can't live on 150k and all the freebies he gets and who once described his quarter of a million a year from the Torygraph as "chicken feed", suggesting his grasp of personal finance is loose at best.


He might just have a lot of chickens, but I suspect that if he did they wouldn’t do too well. He’d probably plant them too close together.


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