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Darat 12th January 2022 05:23 AM

Well that is one excuse I didn't expect.

I attended but didn't know it was a party.

I'd add a jaw-dropping smilie but it seems to have been worn out.

Nessie 12th January 2022 05:36 AM

I wish the PM had told everyone else it was OK to have work parties. Boy, could we have done with a party at my work.

Nessie 12th January 2022 05:40 AM

The Government's VIP lane for awarding covid contracts has been ruled illegal.

https://actions.goodlawproject.org/p...social%20media

The wheels have well and truly come off the Tory grave train, where mates get to party and massive contracts.

The Don 12th January 2022 06:03 AM

Apparently Boris Johnson's apology is heartfelt.

Well if that isn't a blatant lie, I don't know what is. The apology was reluctant, and forced and Boris Johnson doesn't think he should have had to give it because he did nothing wrong.

The Don 12th January 2022 06:10 AM

Here is Boris Johnson's apology - a litany of lies :mad:

Quote:

Mr Speaker, I want to apologise. I know that millions of people across this country have made extraordinary sacrifices over the last 18 months. I know the anguish that they have been through - unable to mourn their relatives, unable to live their lives as they want or do the things they love. And I know the rage they feel with me and with the government I lead, when they think that in Downing Street itself the rules are not being properly followed by the people who make the rules."
Quote:

And though I cannot anticipate the conclusions of the current inquiry I have learned enough to know there were things we simply did not get right and I must take responsibility. Number 10 is a big department with the garden as an extension of the office - which has been in constant use because of the role of fresh air in stopping the virus. And when I went into that garden just after six on the 20th of May 2020, to thank groups of staff before going back into my office 25 minutes later to continue working, I believed implicitly that this was a work event."
Quote:

But, Mr Speaker, with hindsight I should have sent everyone back inside, I should have found some other way to thank them and I should have recognised that even if it could be said technically to fall within the guidance, there would be millions and millions of people who simply would not see it that way. People who suffered terribly - people who were forbidden from meeting loved ones at all, inside or outside. And to them and to this house I offer my heartfelt apologies. And all I ask is that Sue Gray be allowed to complete her inquiry into that day and several others so that the full facts can be established."

Vixen 12th January 2022 06:32 AM

The high point for me that summed it up, was Keir Starmer doing a theatrical face palm.

zooterkin 12th January 2022 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13701700)
Apparently Boris Johnson's apology is heartfelt.

Well if that isn't a blatant lie, I don't know what is. The apology was reluctant, and forced and Boris Johnson doesn't think he should have had to give it because he did nothing wrong.

If Boris is saying it, I assume it’s a lie.

Darat 12th January 2022 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13701689)
The Government's VIP lane for awarding covid contracts has been ruled illegal.

https://actions.goodlawproject.org/p...social%20media

The wheels have well and truly come off the Tory grave train, where mates get to party and massive contracts.

Won't see one further action - the money has gone.

Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 06:47 AM

As for the impossible position Sue Gray is now in, perhaps that’s the point?

Does she have to accept the PM’s “implicit” belief in a work event was genuine?
If so, then what?

Darat 12th January 2022 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13701704)
Here is Boris Johnson's apology - a litany of lies :mad:

"there would be millions and millions of people who simply would not see it that way"

I've already heard a "The other lot will have been doing it"!

The country seems to have come to terms being led by a thick, lying bastard, we've shrugged our shoulders and in effect said, "what can we do?".

Darat 12th January 2022 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13701725)
As for the impossible position Sue Gray is now in, perhaps that’s the point?

Does she have to accept the PM’s “implicit” belief in a work event was genuine?
If so, then what?

And what is she now meant to be "investigating"?

We already know that the ministerial code does not apply to any of this governments' ministers.

Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 06:52 AM

“The code is more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules"

P.J. Denyer 12th January 2022 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13701689)
The Government's VIP lane for awarding covid contracts has been ruled illegal.

https://actions.goodlawproject.org/p...social%20media

The wheels have well and truly come off the Tory grave train, where mates get to party and massive contracts.

Some people think this government is a moral vacuum, but given how many contracts they've given to donors they're actually a moral Dyson.

P.J. Denyer 12th January 2022 08:24 AM

That Boris Johnson apology in full-:

Quote:

When I find out who's been leaking this they're going to be sorry!

Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 08:54 AM

I don’t want all the anger around Boris to stop us hating Cameron as much as he deserves

Wudang 12th January 2022 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13701673)
Well that is one excuse I didn't expect.

I attended but didn't know it was a party.

I'd add a jaw-dropping smilie but it seems to have been worn out.

Not enough cocaine and hookers to constitute a party?

Carrot Flower King 12th January 2022 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13701704)
Here is Boris Johnson's apology - a litany of lies :mad:

We are still left with it is OK to consume alcohol and get pissed on work premises and work time (how else is it a work event?) in a way not allowed in the bulk of the public sector...

And he's talking about what people "think" happened! No, you useless, arrogant, lying ****** of a sodding dissembling twat, we KNOW what happened, as we've seen the sodding photos and know about the invitations to a ******* PARTY!

There is no "think" about it. Unless you are useless ******* of a lying Old Etonian, whose thought processes, or what passes for them, are stuck at Sixth Form debating society sophistry.

Hislop's old description of this charlatan as a stupid person's idea of a clever person is more accurate by the second.

Nessie 12th January 2022 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13701723)
Won't see one further action - the money has gone.

This time. But it will be harder for them to continue with a "VIP lane", which added to it getting harder to sell honours and trade party donations for favours, means the Tories have less to sell.

The Don 12th January 2022 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13701878)
We are still left with it is OK to consume alcohol and get pissed on work premises and work time (how else is it a work event?) in a way not allowed in the bulk of the public sector...

Well, the story as presented is that they had finished work for the day and popped out for some post-work decompression time but because they are so very dedicated, they were still doing work so, like Schrodinger's employment bureau they were simultaneously "at work" (so they could gather) and "not at work" (so they could drink). ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13701878)
And he's talking about what people "think" happened! No, you useless, arrogant, lying ****** of a sodding dissembling twat, we KNOW what happened, as we've seen the sodding photos and know about the invitations to a ******* PARTY!

There is no "think" about it. Unless you are useless ******* of a lying Old Etonian, whose thought processes, or what passes for them, are stuck at Sixth Form debating society sophistry.

Hislop's old description of this charlatan as a stupid person's idea of a clever person is more accurate by the second.

He's hoping that if he repeats the lie often enough, some people will come to believe it - and history shows that he's right. :mad:

Carrot Flower King 12th January 2022 10:04 AM

Oh well, Chope thinks (well, it's Chope, so I use the term very, very loosely) that the apology is genuine enough, so that's all OK.

(For avoidance of doubt, my view is that Chope makes the term "useful idiot" an outright insult to all decent idiots out there.)

LondonJohn 12th January 2022 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13701670)
Quote of the Day:

"Prime Minister, the party is over'. ~ Keir Starmer


It might have been.... had it not already been the headline in this morning's Daily Mail.

Lothian 12th January 2022 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13701673)
Well that is one excuse I didn't expect.

I attended but didn't know it was a party.

I'd add a jaw-dropping smilie but it seems to have been worn out.

To be fair if you are the anchor in the boat race you are too busy watching the drinkers in front of you to notice whether others are having a party.

Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 10:44 AM

Some ministers will back him to the hilt because the closest they would get to a cabinet under anyone else would be in Ikea.

Lothian 12th January 2022 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13701922)
Some ministers will back him to the hilt because the closest they would get to a cabinet under anyone else would be in Ikea.

Don't know about that, most of my cabinets have loose screws.

Wudang 12th January 2022 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13701929)
Don't know about that, most of my cabinets have loose screws.

And some dodgy knobs?

Nessie 12th January 2022 11:10 AM

That we now know that drinking at work is acceptable, I can't wait to get back to work.

Vixen 12th January 2022 11:18 AM

We have all heard of the Billy Bookcase. Now IKEA are bringing out a Boris Desk, which magically transforms into a drinks cabinet when the weather is lovely. It is cleverly designed to include a collapsable barbecue and has moulded trays which can embrace Kettle crisps, dips, salsa, vol au vents and cheeky little nibbles. There is a doggy rug for Dilyn that folds perfectly into the faux filing drawer and a nappy changing extension for Romy and Wilfrid. There is blotting paper available that matches the wallpaper and curtains and will soak up the booze ink. At the front of Boris Desk is a pop-up mirror so that one can see behind you in case Matty Hancock turns up or the reprobate Dom, so then you can operate the catapult that releases the stink bomb. It comes with an optional chaise longue for those occasions when Moggy needs to recline after a hard day erm, doing, ah, er...

Mojo 12th January 2022 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13701673)
Well that is one excuse I didn't expect.

I attended but didn't know it was a party.


Perhaps he saw people standing around chatting over drinks, and thought it was a meeting to arrange the next round of PPE contracts.

GlennB 12th January 2022 11:51 AM

I just plucked up the courage to watch highlights on the BBC. He was utterly humiliated, destroyed, and looked it. A beaten man.

The only question now, for my money, is when he goes. I'd wager it could easily be this winter.

The Don 12th January 2022 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13701996)
I just plucked up the courage to watch highlights on the BBC. He was utterly humiliated, destroyed, and looked it. A beaten man.

The only question now, for my money, is when he goes. I'd wager it could easily be this winter.

His sort bounce back easily, they don't dwell on things and have no conscience.

Edited to add....

He only looked beaten because it was the only way he could prevent himself from smirking.

zooterkin 12th January 2022 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13702001)
His sort bounce back easily, they don't dwell on things and have no conscience.

That's what you pay for when you send your son to Eton.

Darat 12th January 2022 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13702001)
His sort bounce back easily, they don't dwell on things and have no conscience.

Edited to add....

He only looked beaten because it was the only way he could prevent himself from smirking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13702002)
That's what you pay for when you send your son to Eton.

They make them used to being targets of ridicule with their school uniform and of course they are taught that there is no place for shame in their world.

Nessie 12th January 2022 12:48 PM

It is very odd that Downing St security, i.e. the police, did not hear a party. The garden backs onto Horse Guards Parade and anyone at the Kitchener statue would surely be able to hear a large gathering there.

Garrison 12th January 2022 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13702026)
It is very odd that Downing St security, i.e. the police, did not hear a party. The garden backs onto Horse Guards Parade and anyone at the Kitchener statue would surely be able to hear a large gathering there.

Probably had their own do going on at the time...

Lothian 12th January 2022 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13702026)
It is very odd that Downing St security, i.e. the police, did not hear a party. The garden backs onto Horse Guards Parade and anyone at the Kitchener statue would surely be able to hear a large gathering there.

It was 30-40 round the back. Probably not that much noise. Also the police security are security not police. It is not their job to stop or investigate law breaking at No 10.

My question is did Boris bring a bottle to the work meeting? If not why not? What did he drink? Did his office (us) pay for any drinks?

The Don 12th January 2022 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13702042)
It was 30-40 round the back. Probably not that much noise. Also the police security are security not police. It is not their job to stop or investigate law breaking at No 10.

My question is did Boris bring a bottle to the work meeting? If not why not? What did he drink? Did his office (us) pay for any drinks?

Of course he wouldn't bring his own. Presumably he had to WhatsApp a prominent donor for a couple of bottles of Chateau de Chassilier ;)

Nessie 12th January 2022 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13702042)
It was 30-40 round the back. Probably not that much noise. Also the police security are security not police. It is not their job to stop or investigate law breaking at No 10.

My question is did Boris bring a bottle to the work meeting? If not why not? What did he drink? Did his office (us) pay for any drinks?

It was lockdown, so there would have hardly been anyone around. The biggest feature of lockdown was how quiet it was. So many people, even just chatting, would indicate there was a gathering that could not have been following the regs.

There is very good suspicion the police turned a blind eye to regulation breaking at No 10, which just adds to the corruption surrounding the present Tory government.

Prometheus 12th January 2022 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13701882)
Well, the story as presented is that they had finished work for the day and popped out for some post-work decompression time but because they are so very dedicated, they were still doing work so, like Schrodinger's employment bureau they were simultaneously "at work" (so they could gather) and "not at work" (so they could drink). ;)



He's hoping that if he repeats the lie often enough, some people will come to believe it - and history shows that he's right. :mad:


Reminds me of my time at college. The campus straddled the border between two towns. One town had a law against serving open alcohol and the other town had a law against coin-operated gaming machines. So the college placed its pub right on the border with a bar on one side of the room, and pinball machines on the other...:blush:

Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 04:45 PM

“Douglas Ross has always been quite a lightweight figure”
"I don't think he's a big figure."

Jacob Rees-Mogg's response on Newsnight to Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross calling for Boris Johnson to resign.

Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 04:46 PM

Wes Streeting (Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care) on Newsnight
"The Prime Minister is unfit to lead, forget party politics. It's actually in our (Labour's) interests for Boris Johnson to stay on as leader at the moment, but it's not the right thing for the country for him to stay on in office."

wobs 13th January 2022 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13701728)
And what is she now meant to be "investigating"?

We already know that the ministerial code does not apply to any of this governments' ministers.

Mike Galsworthy pointed out that Sue Gray is the Winston Wolf of Whitehall, in that she's a fixer. So I'm not expecting much in the way of scandal to come out.

Wudang 13th January 2022 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wobs (Post 13702521)
Mike Galsworthy pointed out that Sue Gray is the Winston Wolf of Whitehall, in that she's a fixer. So I'm not expecting much in the way of scandal to come out.

It's worth reading the BBC article Mike refers to on Sue Gray
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580

As a taster:
Quote:

Originally Posted by BBC
Even when a document trail exists, Ms Gray is enthusiastic about keeping it a secret. We know that she advised special advisers on how to destroy email (by "double-deletion") to thwart FOIA requesters. She did not advise them on the requirements of the code on public record-keeping. We also know, via the Freedom of Information Act, that she kept no log of why, how or when she destroys documents (contrary to that guidance).


GlennB 13th January 2022 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wudang (Post 13702527)
It's worth reading the BBC article Mike refers to on Sue Gray
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580

As a taster:

That's depressing. I had foolish hopes that we might get some truth out of Gray's enquiry. Maybe it will turn out to be a scandal in itself?

Carrot Flower King 13th January 2022 05:06 AM

All of this shows yet again that Yes, Minister/Prime Minister and The Thick Of It were actually documentaries.

And did anyone one else notice the debating society sophistry BlowJob used in not making an apology? "I want to apologise..." ,not "I apologise..." nor "I'm sorry...", but "I want to...". So he can still satisfy his puerile, point-scoring, grubby, foetid ego that he didn't actually give in and apologise.

Does he really believe that folk don't see through the manure of the bovine he spews? Why am I even asking? Most folk are happy to wallow in BlowJob's mouth spew and feel ******* grateful for it: there's no hope, is there?

Carrot Flower King 13th January 2022 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wudang (Post 13702527)
It's worth reading the BBC article Mike refers to on Sue Gray
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580

FFS! She's full on Sir Humphrey there.

No wonder BlowJob picked her to "investigate", as she's all 3 monkeys rolled into one.

Captain_Swoop 13th January 2022 06:06 AM

Nick Robinson: “Have you ever been to a work meeting where you’ve been asked to bring your own bottle?”

Brandon Lewis: “We don’t have all the facts yet.”

The Don 13th January 2022 06:15 AM

To try and distract us all from "Partygate" and to generate some positive headlines, the Covid isolation period has been reduced to 5 days.

Expect another Covid wave as infectious people go back to work several days too early.

GlennB 13th January 2022 10:33 AM

And now Johnson is self-isolating for 5 days "after a member of his immediate family tested positive for Covid", it has been reported. I wonder which of them he has seen lately, apart from Carrie?

Mighty convenient, I'd say :rolleyes:

Mojo 13th January 2022 10:33 AM

How convenient.

Garrison 13th January 2022 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13702828)
And now Johnson is self-isolating for 5 days "after a member of his immediate family tested positive for Covid", it has been reported. I wonder which of them he has seen lately, apart from Carrie?

Mighty convenient, I'd say :rolleyes:

Watch out for any female staff in his office or Laura Kuessenberg suddenly having to self isolate.


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