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Captain_Swoop 18th January 2022 01:12 PM

This twat was the one who went on telly and told us what the rules were every other day. Pleading incompetence should also lead to resignation.

Captain_Swoop 18th January 2022 03:16 PM

Boris' next moves

Start a war. Probably with Scotland.

Get Covid again.

Brings back Birching.

A free Kit Kat to every person in the UK.

Declare he’s heard Marquee Moon.

MarkCorrigan 18th January 2022 03:39 PM

God these people are scum.

This whole mess is pushing me further towards the "angry left" thing.

Captain_Swoop 18th January 2022 03:50 PM

After he's kicked out, Boris should be forced to live in Big Ben like Quasimodo, munching on rivets and pigeons and shouting the bongs.

Captain_Swoop 18th January 2022 03:53 PM

Some of tomorrow’s front pages truly abysmal reading for PM

Star: “Pinocchio: I am not a liar.”
Metro: “Nobody Told Me”
Indy: “No one warned me Party was against rules, says man who set the rules.”
Times: “Red wall Tory MPs team up to topple Johnson.”

Lothian 18th January 2022 03:57 PM

Noises about Brady making an announcement tomorrow.

GlennB 18th January 2022 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13706620)
Noises about Brady making an announcement tomorrow.

I wish my 'Boris ousting' prediction hadn't been so modest. I now think he'll resign this week, or next at the very latest.

Captain_Swoop 18th January 2022 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13706620)
Noises about Brady making an announcement tomorrow.

Yes, I was just going to post that.

You've got to be pretty ******* abhorrent if even the 1922 Committee think you're a ****. Credit where it's due, that's pretty impressive.

MarkCorrigan 18th January 2022 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13706618)
Some of tomorrow’s front pages truly abysmal reading for PM

Star: “Pinocchio: I am not a liar.”
Metro: “Nobody Told Me”
Indy: “No one warned me Party was against rules, says man who set the rules.”
Times: “Red wall Tory MPs team up to topple Johnson.”

I particularly like the one from the Indy.

MarkCorrigan 18th January 2022 06:58 PM

That's not just impressive it's ridiculous.

I just worry that once we are free of Boris we'll get Gove, or worse, Patel.

Darat 19th January 2022 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan (Post 13706811)
That's not just impressive it's ridiculous.

I just worry that once we are free of Boris we'll get Gove, or worse, Patel.

But neither of them come with Johnson's genetic advantage I.e. not a they wont get our immediate subservient deference.

The Don 19th January 2022 02:54 AM

While the Conservatives are wholly absorbed in "Partygate" and the associated political fallout, inflation is inexorably nibbling away at people's standard of living.

Quote:

The cost of living rose at its fastest pace in nearly 30 years in the 12 months to December, driven mainly by higher food and energy bills.

The UK's Consumer Prices Index measure of inflation rose to 5.4% from 5.1% in November, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60050699

One of the main drivers for the inflation is global energy prices over which the UK government has little control and so, unless they do what Labour suggested and remove VAT from fuel (the ability to do so is apparently a Brexit bonus), there's not too much they can do.

Then again, instead of messing about crowing about over 40p a week saved on the TV licence, they could to do something about Brexit-induced inflationary pressures and the extra NI contributions that are going to hit the less well off hard.

To do so would however be against Conservative orthodoxy where the poor and less worthy need to get poorer until they see the error of their ways whilst the rich and more worthy are free to enjoy the fruits of their "labour". :mad:

Captain_Swoop 19th January 2022 02:58 AM

The one Tory who’s been keeping his powder very, very dry through all of this is Jeremy Hunt. No complicity in parties, no recent reputational ****-ups, any quotes have been measured and reasoned.

He's going to throw his hat in.

Dave Rogers 19th January 2022 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan (Post 13706771)
I particularly like the one from the Indy.

It sounds like a headline from the Daily Mash. One more data point to support the proposition that political satire is now effectively impossible.

Dave

MarkCorrigan 19th January 2022 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers (Post 13707034)
It sounds like a headline from the Daily Mash. One more data point to support the proposition that political satire is now effectively impossible.

Dave

It really does.

The Don 19th January 2022 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13707018)
The one Tory who’s been keeping his powder very, very dry through all of this is Jeremy Hunt. No complicity in parties, no recent reputational ****-ups, any quotes have been measured and reasoned.

He's going to throw his hat in.

Oh my !

Heck he might do well enough in the leadership battle that even if he doesn't become Prime Minister, he could still secure one of the other Great Offices of State. t.b.h. he couldn't be any worse than the current incumbents but that is setting the bar a trifle low.

MarkCorrigan 19th January 2022 04:06 AM

You know it's bad when one of the better options is Jeremy Hunt.

God I hate my fellow Brits.

Wudang 19th January 2022 05:25 AM

Christian Wakeford, Tory MP for Bury South defects to Labour.

GlennB 19th January 2022 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wudang (Post 13707097)
Christian Wakeford, Tory MP for Bury South defects to Labour.

And an ex-minister, David Davis, says "In the name of God, go". Oh dear.

Worm 19th January 2022 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13707107)
And an ex-minister, David Davis, says "In the name of God, go". Oh dear.

Quoting Amery, who was quoting Cromwell.

When Cromwell seems to be the voice of reason, things have really got bad.

While Cromwell was a hideous person, her certainly had a turn of phrase - maybe David Davis should have just quote his dissolution statement in full ;)

Quote:

Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?

...

Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.

Pixel42 19th January 2022 06:32 AM

Another Cromwell quote that seems appropriate is "Think it possible you may be mistaken".

The Don 19th January 2022 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13707107)
And an ex-minister, David Davis, says "In the name of God, go". Oh dear.

David Davis also said:

Quote:

MP David Davis told Mr Johnson he had spent weeks defending him from "angry constituents", including by reminding them of the "successes of Brexit".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60056482

I'd be interested to head what these alleged successes were, and whether this placated his constituents or made them even more angry.

Captain_Swoop 19th January 2022 10:15 AM

Nadine Dorries tweeted

@NadineDorries
Huge and overwhelming support for @BorisJohnson from packed Tory benches.

Sadly, @Christian4BuryS has yet to realise that the Union Jack Flag of United Kingdom mask he is wearing to cross the floor to Labour, is not welcome on that side of the house.

Captain_Swoop 19th January 2022 10:26 AM

There's always a tweet!

Nadine Dorries
@NadineDorries
· Jun 7, 2018
David Davis is ex SAS He’s trained to survive. He’s also trained to take people out. #Brexit

MarkCorrigan 19th January 2022 11:43 AM

God she's a slimeball.

I hate these people. What happened to the sensible Tories?

The Don 19th January 2022 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan (Post 13707431)
God she's a slimeball.

I hate these people. What happened to the sensible Tories?

The Overton window took care of them.

a_unique_person 19th January 2022 06:30 PM

I blame Overton.

jimbob 20th January 2022 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan (Post 13707431)
God she's a slimeball.

I hate these people. What happened to the sensible Tories?

Johnson expelled them in two batches. At least the ones with sufficient backbone to stand up to him.

angrysoba 20th January 2022 05:36 AM

Quote:

A senior Conservative MP has alleged that government ministers, whips and advisers have intimidated and attempted to blackmail some colleagues they suspect may oppose Boris Johnson, saying this could be a police matter.

It came as another MP opposing Johnson denied letters of no confidence had been withdrawn after the defection of Christian Wakeford to Labour, blaming spin from government whips.

“These briefings of withdrawals are pure invention from No 10,” one said. “Wakeford may have stayed some people’s hands yesterday but this isn’t going into reverse.”

William Wragg, the Hazel Grove MP who also chairs the public administration and constitutional affairs committee (PACAC), which looks into the work of government and the civil service, said whips had threatened to withdraw funding from the constituencies of MPs opposing Johnson.
Link

Seems a lot of Tory MPs are becoming more outspoken in their opposition to Johnson.

This is not your average grumble.

Filippo Lippi 20th January 2022 05:41 AM

Yeah, but Boris a lej, inhe?

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Captain_Swoop 20th January 2022 06:05 AM

Stand by for:

1. This did not happen.

2. It did happen, but the Prime Minister knew nothing about it.

3. The Prime Minister knew about it, but it wasn’t technically blackmail.

4. It was blackmail, but the Prime Minister wasn’t told that blackmail was against the law.

Captain_Swoop 20th January 2022 06:05 AM

Very unusal for an MP to speak out against the Whips like this.

GlennB 20th January 2022 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13708266)
Very unusal for an MP to speak out against the Whips like this.

A half-decent person who is in despair? Nothing to lose?

Or rather - he'd rather be in disfavour with Tory power merchants than put up with the crap he's seeing.

The Don 20th January 2022 06:30 AM

Inflationary pressures continue...

Quote:

Superdry's boss has warned that shoppers should expect higher prices due to rising costs and says the chain will have no more sales in its shops.

Julian Dunkerton said would increase prices on some clothing items by about 2% due to rising inflation.

It hopes to offset price rises by cutting the number of items it puts on sale online too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60067334

Yesterday I bought a 2 litre bottle of own-label fiery ginger beer from Tesco. For years it's been 50p, yesterday it was 60p - that's a 20% price increase.

GlennB 20th January 2022 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13708265)
Stand by for:

1. This did not happen.

2. It did happen, but the Prime Minister knew nothing about it.

3. The Prime Minister knew about it, but it wasn’t technically blackmail.

4. It was blackmail, but the Prime Minister wasn’t told that blackmail was against the law.

It begins:

"Boris Johnson said he had seen “no evidence to support any of those allegations” when asked about the William Wragg blackmail claims."

angrysoba 20th January 2022 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13708288)
It begins:

"Boris Johnson said he had seen “no evidence to support any of those allegations” when asked about the William Wragg blackmail claims."

Cue audio / video of him saying, "Start blackmailing the bastards and doing some other illegal ******"

Johnson: "I didn't know blackmail was illegal or against the ministerial code!"

New leak of Johnson yelling: "Bollocks to the ministerial code! I take a dump upon it! Baaaah!"

PMQ with Keir Starmer: "Is the Prime Minister going to apologize for doing illegal ******"

Johnson: "Okay, sorry..."

Starmer: "Apology accepted!" *turns to wink at the camera*

Captain_Swoop 20th January 2022 08:04 AM

Michael Fabricant MP tweeted
@Mike_Fabricant
· 4h
If I reported every time I had been threatened by a Whip or if a Whip reported every time I had threatened them, the police wouldn’t have any time to conduct any other police work! What nonsense from WW.

I believe it was wholly improper of William Wragg to misuse his position as Chairman of a Select Committee to make unsubstantiated claims against the Whips as part of his long standing and well known vendetta against #Boris.

2/2 And if WW was being "blackmailed" as he claims, what is there about his private life that he doesn't want made public???

The Don 20th January 2022 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13708353)
Michael Fabricant MP tweeted
@Mike_Fabricant
· 4h
If I reported every time I had been threatened by a Whip or if a Whip reported every time I had threatened them, the police wouldn’t have any time to conduct any other police work! What nonsense from WW.

I believe it was wholly improper of William Wragg to misuse his position as Chairman of a Select Committee to make unsubstantiated claims against the Whips as part of his long standing and well known vendetta against #Boris.

2/2 And if WW was being "blackmailed" as he claims, what is there about his private life that he doesn't want made public???

What a horrible and toxic working environment. :(

It's no surprise that creatures like Michael Fabricant feel right at home there.

As regards the "blackmail", it had nothing to do with the MPs private life and everything to do with funding for "levelling up" initiatives his constituency being withheld unless that MP supported Boris Johnson and withdrew his letter to the 1922 committee. Perhaps there's a bit of projection there from Mr Fabricant ;)

Dave Rogers 20th January 2022 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13708288)
"Boris Johnson said he had seen “no evidence to support any of those allegations” when asked about the William Wragg blackmail claims."

..."which means we did a good job of destroying it all this time."

Dave

Darat 20th January 2022 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13708244)
Link

Seems a lot of Tory MPs are becoming more outspoken in their opposition to Johnson.

This is not your average grumble.

"...whips had threatened to withdraw funding from the constituencies of MPs opposing Johnson....."
But that would be shooting themselves in the foot as that would make it more likely to revert to Labour in these "red wall" constituencies... oh hang on Johnson's lot - suprised they have any feet left!

angrysoba 20th January 2022 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13708353)
Michael Fabricant MP tweeted
@Mike_Fabricant
· 4h
If I reported every time I had been threatened by a Whip or if a Whip reported every time I had threatened them, the police wouldn’t have any time to conduct any other police work! What nonsense from WW.

I believe it was wholly improper of William Wragg to misuse his position as Chairman of a Select Committee to make unsubstantiated claims against the Whips as part of his long standing and well known vendetta against #Boris.

2/2 And if WW was being "blackmailed" as he claims, what is there about his private life that he doesn't want made public???

Jesus Christ! Is that a blackmail attempt in the second tweet?

Prometheus 20th January 2022 02:13 PM

I'd trade you guys Trump for Johnson in a heartbeat. Just sayin'...

Captain_Swoop 20th January 2022 02:33 PM

"Nice constituency you got here, guv'nor. Shame if anyfin should... 'appen to it"

p0lka 20th January 2022 02:59 PM

'I see no evidence of blackmail',

'I thought it was a work event',

stupidity becomes a virtue.

Trebuchet 20th January 2022 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13708282)
Inflationary pressures continue...



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60067334

Yesterday I bought a 2 litre bottle of own-label fiery ginger beer from Tesco. For years it's been 50p, yesterday it was 60p - that's a 20% price increase.

It's Biden's fault.

Captain_Swoop 20th January 2022 04:34 PM

If the whips are threatening to gerrymander protesting MP's constituencies out of existence, does that mean the Boundary Commission is not independent?

junkshop 20th January 2022 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 13708698)
I'd trade you guys Trump for Johnson in a heartbeat. Just sayin'...

At least you lot managed to peel Trump off the levers of power, to some extent. Johnson is (embarrassingly) still in office.

The Don 21st January 2022 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13708786)
If the whips are threatening to gerrymander protesting MP's constituencies out of existence, does that mean the Boundary Commission is not independent?

Maybe the whips don't understand the limits of their powers ?

Maybe the whips do understand them, but don't think the Red Wall MPs do ?

I note from Google this morning that MPs are considering whether to release audio of the alleged "shakedown" by the whips - that should be interesting.

Wudang 21st January 2022 02:07 AM

Chris Brookmyre's description of Rees-Mogg as a "steampunk C3PO" will live forever.

BillC 21st January 2022 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13708282)
Inflationary pressures continue...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60067334

Yesterday I bought a 2 litre bottle of own-label fiery ginger beer from Tesco. For years it's been 50p, yesterday it was 60p - that's a 20% price increase.



This Twitter thread from Jack Monroe ("The Bootstrap Cook") is as depressing as hell:
Quote:

Woke up this morning to the radio talking about the cost of living rising a further 5%. It infuriates me the index that they use for this calculation, which grossly underestimates the real cost of inflation as it happens to people with the least. Allow me to briefly explain.


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