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If a female coworker of mine falls asleep and I take a picture of me faux-grabbing her boobs and share that picture with male coworkers but not the general public, is she not then humiliated? |
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But not attempting to slut shame, just finds it relevant, plus she probably got groped all the time, plus one little groping and forcing a tongue down her throat is not a "pattern" and thus not a "real complaint." wow... |
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Still she likely has to put up with the same amount of ******** that all women have to put up with. Maybe this is the worst she has had to deal with, or maybe this is the worse she has had to deal with from someone she didn't feel comfortable slapping across the face. |
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I'm asking why it's humiliating. Not for you to describe the same thing and tell me again, it's humiliating. But, I give you credit for a more accurate description of " faux-grabbing " |
There are a number of people on this thread I will rank as hypocrites because they have blasted...quite rightly...Moore for his actions, but are making excuses for Al Franken.
BTW the Dems in Congress seem to be playing this very well so far. |
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Franken called for an ethics probe of himself.
I really think that sort of ends this for now. He, at least, seems to think that at worst this was a one off incident. Lost in all this is that as a politician he has been firmly on the side of women. That counts for something. Is a politician who has one incident but will protect women's issues better than a politician with no incidents but will definitely make birth control and abortion illegal? That's the rub in the larger picture. |
I am sure women will be glad to hear that men have developed a sliding scale of sexual assault
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Sorry, but this "Franken is a Liberal so I will give him a Pass" B.S. won't wash......
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I'm sorry, I just can't agree that every little offense taken is on that scale you speak of. Don't get on an elevator if there is a lone woman on it lest you frighten her. |
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Alright pop quiz.
You are a member of Side A. Someone from Side A has been accused of doing something "bad" by someone from Side B. Please choose the appropriate response. A. Immediately list off everything you can think of that anyone from Side B has ever done wrong. B. Argue that whatever this person from Side A did it's not as bad as some of the stuff people from Side B have done. C. Figure out what insult that people from Side B like to use against Side A and use this against them, regardless of it makes any sense in context. D. Ask them if they are worried about this why weren't they worried about some unrelated "bad" thing that someone from their side did. E. Go find any example of someone from Side B doing the same or similar "bad" thing. F. Actually discuss the actual issue in any meaningful way on any meaningful level. |
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Trick question! the person with one incident does not have any incidents because it has to be a pattern. Now for something else relevant, here is a picture of the woman in a bikini: Makes you think, huh? |
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I think that what Franken is accused of doing is NOT as bad as what Moore did.
But it's bad enough so that his political career should end. |
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No better then the people they condemn on the other side for doing the same thing. |
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If you give one a pass, you need to give both a pass. |
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I think you are overreacting to people not immediately picking up the torches and pitchforks. |
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There is such an easy way to not have crap like this blow up in your face 10 years later.
Don't do crap like this. I don't blame her for being angry but I sincerely do not know what the remedy should be. Maybe that should be up to her. A swift kick to the testicles with an Army boot might be appropriate. |
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Don't get me wrong:I think Moore is totally Reprehensible. I just don't like double standards. |
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Is it OK to say Moore is un1electable, but if elected, the senate can conduct an ethics investigation ? There's way more grey area, IMHO, than this binary moore bad/franken bad. ETA: I've already said - ethics investigation and investigation of the incident is a good start. |
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Just take off the damn ideological blinders for once.... |
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On the other side we have one woman. A grown woman. Singular. Who describes a situation that could have been a misunderstanding. Something bolstered by the fact that it happened once and was not repeated. Pretending they are exactly the same is emblematic of the type of hyperbolic reactions during a moral panic. |
Jesus the people pretending they would be having the discussion the exact same way if the only factor that was different was D at the end of the title was switched to an R is hilarious.
Bias is not in the statements themselves. It's in the "Buts." It's in the "Howevers." It's in the backpeddling. It's in the softening of the language. It's in the exceptions and escape clauses all that. Bias isn't "X is Y when you do it but not when I do it." It's "X is Y when you do it and when I do it *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*." |
If you want to adapt a "Politics is war and anyting is justified, and I will support somebody on my side no matter what" attitude, fine,but don't get all high and mighty when somebody on the other side adapts the same tactics and attitude.
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If the people of Alabama vote for Moore knowing what he has done, then he should serve until they decide he is unfit. Same with Franken, hence why I say he should stand down, and then stand for re-election, let the people decide if they still want him serving them. |
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Here's the thing, was this woman a skit actor like Franken? What was her role in the USO show? She had been appearing in USO shows for years, and had a lot of ties to the military including her husband and father. But what was her role, her talent? Being a pinup model for sure. Pretty much all those USO tours take pinup models along because the boys in uniform love to see pretty women when they are stationed in war zones. Bob Hope always took pretty ladies with him, and there were always sexual jokes. Was it a skit Franken wrote and she didn't like it? She says he wrote it with the ulterior motive and his kiss was unwanted. Is it fair to not consider her perception was the issue? It's not like he grabbed her in the dressing room and forced a kiss on her. It's not like he wasn't a skit writer. I looked for other SNL skits with kissing. Five Rape Jokes Not to Tell (If You Want A Future) Quote:
It's hard to find Franken kissing skits on SNL because the search brings up pages of the current news item only, but here are the hits for kissing skits on SNL. They are very common. So it's not like Franken writing a kissing skit would necessarily be some sneaky underhanded way of kissing and groping Tweeden. |
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We're talking about Franken, not Moore. What Moore did isn't relevant, unless, as noted, making sure each side's slaps on the wrist are properly and accurately tallied for future "Whataboutism" is like super important you. Why does a worse case somewhere matter outside of ideological point scoring? It doesn't change what what Franken did. We're not grading on a curve. You might as well go "Well this lady was harassed by let's not forget this other lady that was hit by a meteorite." Oh right because meteorites aren't partisan. If there was a Republican meteorite you would be doing that. Be an American, be a Human, be something other than just a Democrat for thirty seconds and care about what happened to this women. |
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Franken's problem is that the visual evidence of the photograph is very compelling. |
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