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He's being raked over the coals in CNN and by democratic senators. Sorry. You don't get to claim double standards. Stop. Lying. |
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As much as anything else, Trump's election is a reaction years of hypocrisy and shrill preaching from the left. You lost the option of keeping yourself above it all a long time ago. |
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I'm still not on board with the idea that they are equally bad actions. They are both bad things to do but one kiss with a grown woman is just, in my opinion, not equal to or worse than locking a child in your car and going grab hands on her. |
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You know classic slut shaming. Because we all know that her history has absolutely nothing at all to justify the senators actions. Nothing. Classic victim blaming. Really contemptible arguments. |
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I you think Franken's deeds disqualify him from public office, that's fine, but I don't think it would cost a million dollars a year in sexual harassment lawsuit settlements. Yet someone is spending that much. I want to know who they are, and question whether they should be in public office, not least of which because they clearly feel entitled to the use of taxpayer funds to sweep their misdeeds under the rug. |
Wow I am glad I have been pretty consistent in the Moore-thread on three points that I feel are relevant there:
1. That the accusations against Moore aren't terrible - he didn't rape, the 14-yo victim was certainly illegal, but neither a child nor raped in the common (not legal) sense - i.e. a scale needs to be applied 2. That the incidents with teenagers 16+ were, by themselves, totally legal and only marginally a problem ethics-wise; they mainly serve to corroborate the plausibility that Moore hit on teenagers in his early 30s 3. That the big problem NOW is not the past incident but his denial of the same, him calling the victim a liar. And so, I can consistently offer an appraisal of the Franken incident: 1. It was wrong, but not terrible. He didn't rape anybody, and she wasn't even a teenager. Still wrong. And on a scale. Less wrong that Moore actually fondling a 14-yo. 2. It is of relevance that - so far! - no other accusations have popped up to establish a pattern. But let's better wait a few days or weeks before weighing this! If Franken has been in similar situations in the past (a male-dominated environment, a female entertainer known for sexiness), it might be likely there were more incidents of this kind 3. He quickly reacted - acknowledging the legitimacy of the accusation, and offering to have it tested in an impartial investigation. I think Alabama voters ought not vote for Moore - not so much on account of one incident in the past, but because of his past patterns of behaviour (he was a known predatore of little girls!!) and his current denial of the same - PLUS because of his self-righteous politics. But IF Alabamans vote Moore to the Senate, I think Senate has no business removing him. The accusations were well in the past, and he cannot be concicted for any crime even if one was committed. A grave measure like eviction from Senate should not be done on foul smell alone. Similarly, if Franken owns up to this past incident (and so far, his reaction looks promising), and if it doesn't turn out this was part of a pattern, I see no need to have him leave the Senate. Let voters take care of that when and if he is up for re-election (in 3 years). |
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Trump's nomination as the GOP candidate, against all odds, against the party leadership, was a reaction years of hypocrisy and shrill preaching from the right, i.e. within the Republican party. The "swamp" Trump offered to drain, the establishment he was fighting, is as much the Republicans' as the Democrats'. |
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Please stop repeating this lie. It is utter, vile nonsense. As I explained above. |
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There were two possibilities: 1. Charged and convicted before statue of limitations ran out. Then he may have gone to jail 35 years ago and would have been out more than 30 years ago - in which case he definitely should not be in jail (present tense). 2. Statue of limitation ran out - can't be charges and convicted, and should not be in jail. Either way: Should not be in jail, period. Unless someone is proposing he should have been jailed for 30+ years. |
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Mods can we just rename this the "Whataboutism" section of the forum? |
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SG linked the accuser's bikini pictures in this thread and I am being accused of "vile" nonsense |
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Ted: Bill, someone from your side has done something wrong.
Bill: Yes I understand that. Ted: Okay make a statement. Bill: A member of my side has done something bad.... Ted: Good... Bill ... but it's not as bad as this thing someone from the other side did! Ted: No, no. We're not talking about the other side right now. Bill: *Confused head tilt, like a dog that's just been shown a card trick.* Ted: Okay let's try this again. What happened? Bill: Someone from my side did something wrong. Ted: Good. Bill: But I need to remind everyone of this think the other side did. Ted: Okay you were doing good... and then you weren't. Okay I want you to say that someone from your side did something wrong. Bill: Got it. Ted: And then... just stop talking. Bill: Alright I'll try. Someone from my side did something wrong. Ted: Good, good. Bill: But.... Ted: No... no... Bill: *Bites his lip... pounds his fist on the table... starts turning red....* Ted: Jesus just say it before you explode. Bill: BUT THE OTHER SIDE! *Collapses back in his chair, gasping and flushed.* Oh I barely survived that. Seriously it's like watching Jim Carrery try to say "The pen is blue." |
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However let's break it down. The first question is, should there even be a statue of limitations on Sexual abuse and assault, especially given that we know that it can take years, if not decades, for victims to come forward, be it due to fear of reprisals,of not being believed, or what it could do to their families. Should abuses be able to get away with things just because they managed to intimidate their victims well enough that they don't get accused in time? If you were to support the view that there should be no time limit to sexual misconduct allegations, then the statement that "Moore should be in Jail" is not at all nonsense, but rather a statement of position against Statue of Limitations on Sex Crimes. This seems to me to be quite a legitimate comment to make. |
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**** if I know. Anyway, there is a link to her bikini pictures in this thread for some damn reason, but not for slut shaming. |
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There is more proof that Moore did what he is claimed to have done because there are now about 9 claimants, whereas there is one claimant to Franken's kiss. |
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(Flak jacket at the time.) |
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I wonder how long we'll have to wait for Moore to ask for an independent ethics investigation of the accusations being made against him.
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