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Captain_Swoop 9th September 2020 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 13218002)
Q: "Did you mislead the public?"

President Trump: "Well, I think if you said in order to reduce panic, perhaps that's so. The fact is, I'm a cheerleader for this country. I love our country and I don't want people to be frightened. I don't want to create panic

If Ted Cruz being appointed to US Supreme Court doesn't panic you, I don't know what will

Captain_Swoop 9th September 2020 04:20 PM

Trump Tweets

On top of a lie made up by a low-life “reporter”, who is known for disinformation, the Democrats have taken his false words and put them into a TV commercial. We now have 21 witnesses stating that the story is a BIG LIE. Even Biden admits this may not be true...

...Secret Service would not allow the trip to the cemetery based on very bad weather and security concerns. Now these low-life Biden handlers are making commercials of this fictional statement, with no proof, and think they can get away with it...

...These are horrendous people that we must defeat on November 3rd!

Captain_Swoop 9th September 2020 04:21 PM

Trump Tweets

The failed former Governor of Michigan, RINO Rick Snyder, who was responsible for the Flint Water Disaster (and I let him know it!), is now endorsing Sleepy Joe Biden, who doesn’t have a clue! Snyder, whose political career was ruined by Flint, hurt a lot of people in Michigan...

...I’ll take the Endorsement of Law Enforcement all over the Country, and Joe can have the RINO’S. This Snyder mess was made during the OBiden era - no wonder they’re friends!

Elagabalus 9th September 2020 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13218100)
Christopher Hitchens said it about Woodward in 1996.

You'll have to evaluate for yourself the credibility of the accusation and perhaps decide for yourself if access journalism is a problem.

In any case, I have not made any claims about Woodward's reporting accuracy. I certainly can't fault him for getting Trump to speak on the record, especially for getting him to contradict his own lies. Although Trump is obviously, abysmally stupid, Woodward's ability to get him talking is still admirable.

Hey thanks for that link. Which led to this story:

https://www.salon.com/2020/09/09/tru...inish-him-off/

which lead to this link.

https://youtu.be/tCAOsmxgNVU?t=432

Trump from Jan.11, 2000.

Enjoy.

Blue Mountain 9th September 2020 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elagabalus (Post 13218149)
Hey thanks for that link. Which led to this story:

https://www.salon.com/2020/09/09/tru...inish-him-off/

which lead to this link.

https://youtu.be/tCAOsmxgNVU?t=432

Trump from Jan.11, 2000.

Enjoy.

Raw links; didn't click. Please see The campaign for good linking: please provide some indication of what you're linking to is about.

Trebuchet 9th September 2020 04:48 PM

I'm having a hard time imaging Trump's suburban strategy being successful, because I think those folks are a little better educated than average. Am I wrong?

shemp 9th September 2020 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13218154)
I'm having a hard time imaging Trump's suburban strategy being successful, because I think those folks are a little better educated than average aren't three-toothed knuckle-dragging worthless ******* morons like most of his base. Am I wrong?

You were wrong. I fixed it for you.

Captain_Swoop 9th September 2020 05:11 PM

Trump Tweets

Fake News asks why I bring up Booker. It’s because Biden supports Booker’s bill that forces federal control of local zoning and low income housing in suburbs...

...If in doubt, ask why the bill withholds $12 billion in highway funds until local authorities agree to federal control? I will protect the suburbs. Biden will destroy the suburbs!

quadraginta 9th September 2020 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13217161)
Trump Retweeted

TV News HQ
@TVNewsHQ
President Trump attacks Biden at tonight’s NC rally: "If Biden wins, China wins. It's as simple as that," and he slams @NC_Governor for not doing more to open the state's economy, as in MI and NY. "They're doing it for political reasons," says the President.

<snip>


And while he was saying this he was actively defying the statewide mandates both for wearing masks and limiting public gatherings to fifty people.

NC has been struggling with its Covid numbers. They resurge every time restrictions are relaxed. Attempts to normalize with things like sending kids back to state Universities have backfired to the point where the schools are shutting down and sending the students back home. (As if that's a good idea.)

quadraginta 9th September 2020 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13217500)
Trump tweets

The United States Navy, or the Department of Defense, will NOT be cancelling its contract with Catholic Priests who serve our men and women in the Armed Forces so well, and with such great compassion & skill. This will no longer be even a point of discussion!
@CardinalDolan


Did someone say they were?

(And what kind of contract? Are they getting paid by the DoD?)

quadraginta 9th September 2020 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13218132)
Trump Tweets

On top of a lie made up by a low-life “reporter”, who is known for disinformation, the Democrats have taken his false words and put them into a TV commercial. We now have 21 witnesses stating that the story is a BIG LIE. Even Biden admits this may not be true...

...Secret Service would not allow the trip to the cemetery based on very bad weather and security concerns. Now these low-life Biden handlers are making commercials of this fictional statement, with no proof, and think they can get away with it...

...These are horrendous people that we must defeat on November 3rd!


How bad was the weather?

It was so bad that ...

...the heads of state of at least three major countries had no problem whatsoever getting there.



How great were the security concerns?

They were so great that ...

... see above.

slyjoe 9th September 2020 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13218186)
Did someone say they were?

(And what kind of contract? Are they getting paid by the DoD?)

My understanding is that the DoD doesn't have enough priests in their ranks. They are paid by Dod and provide "priestly services" to service members. I believe the article I read talked to the priest servicing North Island/San Diego.

quadraginta 9th September 2020 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13218154)
I'm having a hard time imaging Trump's suburban strategy being successful, because I think those folks are a little better educated than average. Am I wrong?


Mebbe.

We keeping having incidents around here of black and mixed families in upscale middle class neighborhoods finding anonymous messages in their mailboxes and elsewhere with contents which, while not overtly threatening, were at the very least disturbing. Impetus seems to be things like BLM yard signs, etc. Or none at all.

It isn't clear to me that being "a little better educated" is enough to prevent racist attitudes and behavior.

Minoosh 9th September 2020 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shemp (Post 13218168)
You were wrong. I fixed it for you.

I recognize hyperbole, but I'm not fond of equating poor dental health with conservative political viewpoints.

Trump's "there goes the neighborhood" tweet might be too blunt even for some supporters.

Norman Alexander 9th September 2020 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13218132)
Trump Tweets

On top of a lie made up by a low-life “reporter”, who is known for disinformation, the Democrats have taken his false words and put them into a TV commercial. We now have 21 witnesses stating that the story is a BIG LIE. Even Biden admits this may not be true...

Is he referring to Bob Woodward? The journalist he had 18 interviews with himself personally? Woodward may be many things, but I don't expect him to make up massive whoppers in his journalism. Not that he needs to with Donny because the Orange Shart produces enough all on his own to power a small country. This pretty much confirms Donny doesn't have a clue when he is blabbing the quiet part out loud, and doesn't remember who he has been talking to from one moment to the next.

Quote:

...Secret Service would not allow the trip to the cemetery based on very bad weather and security concerns. Now these low-life Biden handlers are making commercials of this fictional statement, with no proof, and think they can get away with it...
You just keep telling yourself that, you blithering self-centered coward. Nobody else believes you, and the facts are all against you. As has been noted many times, everybody else managed to get there on time and relatively dry and unscathed. But then they were thinking of greater things outside themselves, something entirely foreign to you.

Quote:

...These are horrendous people that we must defeat on November 3rd!
You certainly are.

SezMe 9th September 2020 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13217159)
Trump Tweets
Quote Tweet

Sarah Huckabee Sanders
@SarahHuckabee
I handle Fake News the same way I handle my kids at home...
Grab your own copy of my new book at http://SpeakingForMyself.com

Poor kids. But what does this really mean? She gives Fake News a 30-minute time out? That's it! No dessert for you tonight!

thaiboxerken 9th September 2020 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13218203)
Poor kids. But what does this really mean? She gives Fake News a 30-minute time out? That's it! No dessert for you tonight!

She ignores them is what I think she means.

Norman Alexander 9th September 2020 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13218203)
Poor kids. But what does this really mean? She gives Fake News a 30-minute time out? That's it! No dessert for you tonight!

The Naughty Step!

SezMe 9th September 2020 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13217160)
Benny
@bennyjohnson
President Trump is out on the campaign trail, having fun, dunking on hypocrite Liberal Elite Nancy Pelosi.
The crowd loves it.
This isn’t a man who is campaigning from behind.
The polls are lying.
Biden is behind.

Nachman Mostofsky
@Mostofsky
First @kimkbaltimore
Now @alekskarlatos
This new crop of young conservatives are killing it!

He's right! Deny reality is one of the Ten Trumpisms.

Mumbles 9th September 2020 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13218195)
It isn't clear to me that being "a little better educated" is enough to prevent racist attitudes and behavior.

*Definitely* not.

I won't bother with stories. But education, in general, is clearly not a cure.

Elagabalus 9th September 2020 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Mountain (Post 13218153)
Raw links; didn't click. Please see The campaign for good linking: please provide some indication of what you're linking to is about.

Sheesh!!!

Extra!! Extra!!! Read all about it!!

trumps-contempt-for-the-military-reveals-his-fatuous-bloated-ego--and-could-finish-him-off(salon)


And that's not all!! From that same article THIS blast from the past!!


Donald Trump exposes self on 60 Minutes II - January 11, 2000 with Dan Rather. All the Trump favorites are here! Featuring: his feelings about John McCain! George W. Bush! His campaign for POTUS is reviewed cynically by America's top Marketing guy "says Trump is doing it for more Brand identity!"

And much more!!! (YouTube)

Regnad Kcin 9th September 2020 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13217723)
Trump was nominated for it in 2018 as well. He lost.

A loser and a sucker.

AnonyMoose 9th September 2020 06:53 PM

Donald "J for Jenius" Trump.

The obese, ugly, delusional, grifting, orange, lying **** who talked and BS'd his way into the highest office in the land.... is talking and BSing his way out of the highest office in the land. All anyone had to do was step back and let the dumb **** hang himself with his own noose.

Unfortunately, I have zero faith in 50+% of eligible Americans to be smart enough to vote the lying murderer out in November because... triggering liberals.

"In a democracy, people get the leader they deserve." ~ Joseph De Maistre

Norman Alexander 9th September 2020 07:00 PM

I suggest we on this forum nominate Barack Obama again for a Nobel. And Joe Biden for good measure.

Oh and this point: The nomination of Trump by the Norwegian right-wing politician is probably invalid. The criteria for a Nobel nominator for the Peace Prize includes "Members of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of states", of which he is not one.

varwoche 9th September 2020 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13217884)
Judge Roy Bean
Judge Judy Sheindlin
Judge Jeanine Pirro

One would think so, but she supported Bloomberg.

Norman Alexander 9th September 2020 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13217884)
Judge Roy Bean
Judge Judy Sheindlin
Judge Jeanine Pirro

Judge Dredd

SezMe 9th September 2020 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 13218002)

Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear.

Gawd, I'm so sick of it. 60 more days? Yuck. I may go bury my head in a block of concrete.

Ryokan 9th September 2020 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13218228)
I suggest we on this forum nominate Barack Obama again for a Nobel. And Joe Biden for good measure.

Oh and this point: The nomination of Trump by the Norwegian right-wing politician is probably invalid. The criteria for a Nobel nominator for the Peace Prize includes "Members of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of states", of which he is not one.

He's an elected member of the Storting, Norway's national assembly.

Beelzebuddy 9th September 2020 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13218203)
Poor kids. But what does this really mean? She gives Fake News a 30-minute time out? That's it! No dessert for you tonight!

She stops doing her job and is effectively replaced by a Bratz doll.

Stacyhs 9th September 2020 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13218230)
One would think so, but she supported Bloomberg.

Yeah, but she gets GREAT RATINGS!!

Ladewig 9th September 2020 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13217723)
Trump was nominated for it in 2018 as well. He lost.

I think we should have more stories that refer to Nobel-Prize Winner Barack Obama and Nobel-Prize Loser Donald Trump.

Regnad Kcin 9th September 2020 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13218100)
Christopher Hitchens said it about Woodward in 1996.

You'll have to evaluate for yourself the credibility of the accusation and perhaps decide for yourself if access journalism is a problem.

In any case, I have not made any claims about Woodward's reporting accuracy. I certainly can't fault him for getting Trump to speak on the record, especially for getting him to contradict his own lies. Although Trump is obviously, abysmally stupid, Woodward's ability to get him talking is still admirable.

”Get him talking?” That hardly takes any more skill than the ability to dangle a microphone somewhere in his general vicinity.

So simple a caveman could do it.

Regnad Kcin 9th September 2020 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13217884)
Judge Roy Bean
Judge Judy Sheindlin
Judge Jeanine Pirro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13218231)

Judge
Judge
Judge

Regnad Kcin 9th September 2020 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13218199)
Is he referring to Bob Woodward? The journalist he had 18 interviews with himself personally? Woodward may be many things, but I don't expect him to make up massive whoppers in his journalism.

I assume he’s referring to The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg.

Ladewig 9th September 2020 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin (Post 13218248)
”Get him talking?” That hardly takes any more skill than the ability to dangle a microphone somewhere in his general vicinity.

So simple a caveman could do it.

I’m not sure he needs to see a microphone.

Norman Alexander 9th September 2020 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryokan (Post 13218235)
He's an elected member of the Storting, Norway's national assembly.

Yes, but he is not a cabinet member or minister. This criteria specifically rules out parliamentary members who are not part of the ruling cabal, whatever form that takes. Otherwise you would be getting literally hundreds of thousands of nominations every year from the many hundred governing bodies around the world.

Norman Alexander 9th September 2020 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin (Post 13218267)
I assume he’s referring to The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg.

Heh, Golden Rule of Trump: The more The Donald tries to deny things, the greater the likelihood they are true.

Norman Alexander 9th September 2020 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13218288)
I’m not sure he needs to see a microphone.

Fake Mike?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/83...8e3ad61fe5.png

Aridas 9th September 2020 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13218195)
Mebbe.

We keeping having incidents around here of black and mixed families in upscale middle class neighborhoods finding anonymous messages in their mailboxes and elsewhere with contents which, while not overtly threatening, were at the very least disturbing. Impetus seems to be things like BLM yard signs, etc. Or none at all.

It isn't clear to me that being "a little better educated" is enough to prevent racist attitudes and behavior.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumbles (Post 13218216)
*Definitely* not.

I won't bother with stories. But education, in general, is clearly not a cure.

Yeah, it's really not.

To poke further at that, though... Why smart people are more likely to believe fake news

Quote:

But other stories may fit with your political identity far more tightly. And for these particularly emotive claims, intelligence and education may actually make you more susceptible to fake news, through a process called “motivated reasoning”. Consider the “birther” theory that Barack Obama was not born in the US. This has been debunked time and time again, but it became highly ingrained in many people’s political ideology. And greater brainpower did not prevent them from believing the story; indeed, it actually increased their credulity. A study by Ashley Jardina at Duke University in North Carolina, for instance, surveyed the views of the more conservative white Republicans – the kind of people who might have found the former president most alienating. It found that beliefs in the birther theory were strongest among the participants with the greatest political knowledge.

A similar pattern could be seen with the beliefs that Obama was a Muslim, and the claims that his healthcare reforms would lead to “death panels” that decided who lived or died. To make matters worse, more educated participants also seemed less likely to update their beliefs after they had been debunked; instead, they actually became more certain they were right. Somehow, their greater knowledge simply allowed them to dismiss the new information and harden their attitudes.
Given that headline, though, I think that it's also prudent to add this one, with the note that it's a bit more British. Why more highly educated people are less into conspiracy theories.

I dare to say that US right-wing propaganda is particularly toxic, regardless.

Stacyhs 9th September 2020 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13218295)
Yeah, it's really not.

To poke further at that, though... Why smart people are more likely to believe fake news



Given that headline, though, I think that it's also prudent to add this one, with the note that it's a bit more British. Why more highly educated people are less into conspiracy theories.

I dare to say that US right-wing propaganda is particularly toxic, regardless.


Quote:

It found that beliefs in the birther theory were strongest among the participants with the greatest political knowledge.
Quote:

A study by Ashley Jardina at Duke University in North Carolina, for instance, surveyed the views of the more conservative white Republicans – the kind of people who might have found the former president most alienating. It found that beliefs in the birther theory were strongest among the participants with the greatest political knowledge.

I completely disagree with Jardina.
More 'conservative' does not mean more intelligent nor does it necessarily mean they have the 'greatest political knowledge', especially if they're getting almost all of that 'knowledge' from very biased sources like FOX, Breitbart, and other right wing echo chambers.

Quote:

... more educated participants also seemed less likely to update their beliefs after they had been debunked; instead, they actually became more certain they were right. Somehow, their greater knowledge simply allowed them to dismiss the new information and harden their attitudes.
Of course they do because they don't believe their beliefs have been debunked.


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