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Carrot Flower King 17th September 2021 06:09 AM

AFAIK, as one of Trevelyan's constiuents, she still is a denier: she opposed a couple of small wind farms just over there -------->, supported, IIRC, the proposed Highthorn open cast development just over there <----------, 'cos jobs, was supportive of a huuuuuuge caravan park just thataway, which will vastly increase vehicle usage on roads not designed for it and increase atmospheric pollution round here, not to mention carbon emissions, 'cos jobs (even though they will all be seasonal, low/no skill, minimum wage jobs). And then she ignores us, 'cos we are at the fringe of the constituency and elect Labour county councillors...

catsmate 17th September 2021 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13601643)
Andrew Neil is being coy about his reasons for leaving GB News:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58591909

Why let people make up their own minds ? Why not be explicit about his reasons for leaving ?

Because he's looking for another job in right-wing propagandising.

Carrot Flower King 17th September 2021 06:29 AM

Weird double post thing

Filippo Lippi 17th September 2021 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13601643)
Andrew Neil is being coy about his reasons for leaving GB News:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58591909

Why let people make up their own minds ? Why not be explicit about his reasons for leaving ?

Contractual obligations and/or he has shares

Captain_Swoop 18th September 2021 03:06 AM

I'm as excited about the coming War With France as the next red-blooded Englishman but will it become unpatriotic to wear Dior?

Vixen 18th September 2021 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13602513)
I'm as excited about the coming War With France as the next red-blooded Englishman but will it become unpatriotic to wear Dior?

You'll have to revert to Old Spice and splash it on like Henry Cooper.

The Don 18th September 2021 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13602513)
I'm as excited about the coming War With France as the next red-blooded Englishman but will it become unpatriotic to wear Dior?

Now that I live in Wales, which side am I likely to be fighting on ?

Vixen 18th September 2021 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13602584)
Now that I live in Wales, which side am I likely to be fighting on ?

That question can be answered by asking yourself the following question:

It is England versus France in the Six Nations Rugby Championship. Who do you most want to win ceteris paribus?

The Don 18th September 2021 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13602603)
That question can be answered by asking yourself the following question:

It is England versus France in the Six Nations Rugby Championship. Who do you most want to win ceteris paribus?

It's a trick question, a true Welshman wants Wales to win every match, even the ones they're not playing in.

P.J. Denyer 18th September 2021 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13602513)
I'm as excited about the coming War With France as the next red-blooded Englishman but will it become unpatriotic to wear Dior?

I hate to disappoint, but according to Majid Nawaz we're gearing up for war with China. Fortunately I think Shelagh is back Monday...

Vixen 18th September 2021 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13602606)
It's a trick question, a true Welshman wants Wales to win every match, even the ones they're not playing in.

Your answer reveals you to be a...


























Patriotic Englishman, albeit a tactful one.

Captain_Swoop 19th September 2021 03:04 AM

The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government is tol become the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities.

What next a Ministry Of Silly Walks?

P.J. Denyer 19th September 2021 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13603487)
The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government is tol become the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities.

What next a Ministry Of Silly Walks?

I think it's The Ministry of Truth next.

Carrot Flower King 19th September 2021 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13601769)
AFAIK, as one of Trevelyan's constiuents, she still is a denier: she opposed a couple of small wind farms just over there -------->, supported, IIRC, the proposed Highthorn open cast development just over there <----------, 'cos jobs, was supportive of a huuuuuuge caravan park just thataway, which will vastly increase vehicle usage on roads not designed for it and increase atmospheric pollution round here, not to mention carbon emissions, 'cos jobs (even though they will all be seasonal, low/no skill, minimum wage jobs). And then she ignores us, 'cos we are at the fringe of the constituency and elect Labour county councillors...

Turns out I didn't RC: she was opposed to Highthorn, even though Carrot Flower Queen also had a memory of her being in favour 'cos jobs, but the rest seems to be correct. And I'm still trying to pin down some other stuff, but I can't find when she first became a governor at Berwick Academy, neé High School. She was certainly a governor of our local acute NHS trust when services were cut 'cos austerity, which makes her refusal to answer questions from Carrot Flower Queen, then an employee of said trust, about local NHS cuts even more hypocritical. Mind, some interweb rummaging suggests that she never turned up to any trust meetings...

Mojo 19th September 2021 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13603636)
I think it's The Ministry of Truth next.


Boris already has a gig as PM though.

P.J. Denyer 19th September 2021 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13603893)
Boris already has a gig as PM though.

Yes but there's still a few people believing the evidence of their own eyes & ears.

The Don 20th September 2021 01:55 AM

Boris Johnson is claiming that it'll be tough to secure climate change pledges:

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There is a "six out of 10" chance of getting other countries to sign up to financial and environmental targets ahead of November's key COP26 climate change conference, the UK PM has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58620566

Of course it doesn't help that Boris Johnson has abandoned climate change commitments as part of the UK/Australia trade deal. :mad:

Matthew Best 20th September 2021 10:00 AM

I have to say that this is possibly the most worrying headline I think I've seen in a long time:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58620167

Captain_Swoop 20th September 2021 10:05 AM

So, next Tuesday tea time?

Mojo 20th September 2021 11:40 AM

And now: British ‘baby shortage’ could lead to economic decline, says thinktank

I’m sure our Prime Minister is doing his utmost to avert this crisis.

Darat 20th September 2021 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Best (Post 13604744)
I have to say that this is possibly the most worrying headline I think I've seen in a long time:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58620167

I’m picking up my candles tomorrow and buying a few camping stoves!

The Don 21st September 2021 02:17 AM

I realise that there's a pandemic, but the UK seems to be much harder hit than neighbouring EU countries.

It seems that the spike in gas prices, combined with the UK government's price cap on energy company is likely to drive a lot of those energy companies out of business which in turn will drive up prices even further for customers as they're forced to move to less competitive price plans. UK wholesale electricity prices are around three times what they are in France, Belgium, The Netherlands and Germany. The government is denying rumours of a three day week which leads me to think that they're considering implementing a two day week - that's also going to hit the economy hard.

A lack of Carbon Dioxide is likely to hit the food industry hard resulting in shortages in the shops. Industry pundits are talking about how the shortages can be managed instead of whether the shortages will occur. Factor in the Brexit-induced strains to the supply chain and the food rotting in the fields due to a lack of farm workers and it looks like it's going to be a hungry winter for many.

All of this is likely to increase inflation considerably. More expensive food and energy is going to hit those on lower incomes worse, especially those who are going to lose £20 a week in Universal Credit.

Captain_Swoop 21st September 2021 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13605418)
UK wholesale electricity prices are around.

That is a feature not a problem.

The Don 21st September 2021 06:55 AM

Boris Johnson assures us that we'll all be fine this winter....

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Boris Johnson has urged people not to worry about putting food on the table this winter, amid surging energy prices and a cut to universal credit.

The prime minister told BBC News: "I don't believe people will be short of food - and wages are actually rising."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58641114

AIUI the rise in wages is mostly fed by a statistical anomaly due to a lot of low-paid workers losing their jobs and skewing the figures rather than people receiving generous pay rises but in any case, I doubt whether it'll be enough to compensate for more expensive energy, food and the reduction in Universal Credit.

The Joseph Rowntree foundation isn't so sure:

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The Joseph Rowntree Foundation, an anti-poverty organisation, has warned of a "perfect storm" for consumers this autumn, as problems with global supply chains also increase food prices.

Workers also face a rise in National Insurance payments from next April, to help fund higher costs for the NHS and social care.
I'd say that people might change their minds after a cheerless Christmas with food shortages and rolling power cuts but I'm sure they'll still find a way to blame the 2010 Labour Government and/or Remoaners. :rolleyes:

Garrison 21st September 2021 07:15 AM

And it seems the government has persuaded/bribed the owners of the shut fertilizer plants to reopen:

Government strikes deal to restart CO2 production

Yet more money spent papering over the cracks.

Darat 21st September 2021 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13605443)
Boris Johnson assures us that we'll all be fine this winter....



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58641114

AIUI the rise in wages is mostly fed by a statistical anomaly due to a lot of low-paid workers losing their jobs and skewing the figures rather than people receiving generous pay rises but in any case, I doubt whether it'll be enough to compensate for more expensive energy, food and the reduction in Universal Credit.

The Joseph Rowntree foundation isn't so sure:



I'd say that people might change their minds after a cheerless Christmas with food shortages and rolling power cuts but I'm sure they'll still find a way to blame the 2010 Labour Government and/or Remoaners. :rolleyes:

""I don't believe people will be short of food - and wages are actually rising."

Phew - thank goodness all the foodbanks are closed since no one will be short of food. Must let my local ones know, and the supermarkets running national schemes to provide meals for the poor.

What would we do without his incisive action?

The Don 21st September 2021 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13605469)
""I don't believe people will be short of food - and wages are actually rising."

Phew - thank goodness all the foodbanks are closed since no one will be short of food. Must let my local ones know, and the supermarkets running national schemes to provide meals for the poor.

What would we do without his incisive action?

IIRC from the last elections there was some person from a Northern constituency saying that, in their opinion, the Conservative government was doing a splendid job because under Labour they just had one food bank, but now they have several. :rolleyes:

If there is a genuine shortage of food (as opposed to simply congestion in some parts of the supply chain) then I fear that food banks will be among the first to feel the effects. :(

gypsyjackson 22nd September 2021 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13605481)
IIRC from the last elections there was some person from a Northern constituency saying that, in their opinion, the Conservative government was doing a splendid job because under Labour they just had one food bank, but now they have several. :rolleyes:

It was the Hartlepool by election this year. LBC did vox pops on why people voted Tory for the first time. Quotes I noted at the time (probably compressed) were “we have 9 food banks under the Tories, none under Labour”; “Corbyn (?!) promised to get rid of food banks, but I rely on them” and; “in the last few years our MP lost the hospital, police station and court, so I voted Tory”.

You tear your hair out at that level of understanding.

Vixen 24th September 2021 02:11 AM

So Grant Schapps aka Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox thinks it is only "a handful of petrol stations affected" and that drivers should "carry on as normal" re Tesco and BP having to close some of their petrol stations, due to HGV driver shortages.

:popcorn6

GlennB 24th September 2021 03:01 AM

Some stunning doublethink regarding the delivery crisis from Schapps:

“I’ve seen people point to Brexit as the culprit here; in fact, they are wrong,” he said. “Because of Brexit, I’ve been able to change the law and alter the way our driving tests are taken in a way I could not have done if we were still part of the EU. Brexit has actually provided part of the solution.”

Lothian 24th September 2021 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13608991)
Some stunning doublethink regarding the delivery crisis from Schapps:

“I’ve seen people point to Brexit as the culprit here; in fact, they are wrong,” he said. “Because of Brexit, I’ve been able to change the law and alter the way our driving tests are taken in a way I could not have done if we were still part of the EU. Brexit has actually provided part of the solution.”

If we hadn't sacked all our teachers we wouldn't have been able to go through the list of known pedophiles to find eager replacements

Carrot Flower King 24th September 2021 07:40 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...sal-credit-pay

Well, I think we all know the answer to this one, don't we, as this profligate, over-entitled, over-promoted spendthrift, who for donkey's years has earned in any one year multiples of what I did, which his BTL astroturfers like to tell us is a vaaaaaaast NHS salary, is perpetually complaining of financial difficulties.

Marginally better that some twat like Piers Merchant making out that of course he could live on benefits...In his fully equipped Jesmond town house...

Vixen 24th September 2021 07:42 AM

Monsieur Boris, fais-nous une faveur, as Minister Premier de Royaume-Uni. C'est très inapproprié de parler à Monsieur Macaron en franglais comme un bœuf steak. Lui dire de se devrait ‘prenez un grip’ (grippe=flu) n'est pas drôle. Il est comme telling votre fellow statesman to ‘prenez le covid’.

Donnez-nous une pause ! Et growez-vous up !

Worm 24th September 2021 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13609172)
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...sal-credit-pay

Well, I think we all know the answer to this one, don't we, as this profligate, over-entitled, over-promoted spendthrift, who for donkey's years has earned in any one year multiples of what I did, which his BTL astroturfers like to tell us is a vaaaaaaast NHS salary, is perpetually complaining of financial difficulties.

Marginally better that some twat like Piers Merchant making out that of course he could live on benefits...In his fully equipped Jesmond town house...

I strongly suspect that Johnson has no real concept of what £118 is, other than 'lunch'.

You get the occasional celeb or government bod who does one of these short-term photo-op exercises to live for a week on low income etc. but they have no understanding of what it's like to live that way week after week after unending week. You can stand pretty much anything for a few days when you know that you can go back to your comfortable life, and if things ever get really tough you have a TV production crew standing by to bail you out.

It's totally different live like that your whole life, to raise a family in those conditions and see it pass on down the generations. To see no way out of it. Life doesn't have a reset switch.

They are simply removed from reality.

Captain_Swoop 24th September 2021 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Worm (Post 13609189)
I strongly suspect that Johnson has no real concept of what £118 is, other than 'lunch'.

You get the occasional celeb or government bod who does one of these short-term photo-op exercises to live for a week on low income etc. but they have no understanding of what it's like to live that way week after week after unending week. You can stand pretty much anything for a few days when you know that you can go back to your comfortable life, and if things ever get really tough you have a TV production crew standing by to bail you out.

It's totally different live like that your whole life, to raise a family in those conditions and see it pass on down the generations. To see no way out of it. Life doesn't have a reset switch.

They are simply removed from reality.

Pulp wrote a song about it

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Captain_Swoop 24th September 2021 03:21 PM

"If you tax the rich they'll leave the country."
Good! The less wealth-hoarding, selfish bastards in the country the better.

Carrot Flower King 25th September 2021 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13609631)
"If you tax the rich they'll leave the country."
Good! The less wealth-hoarding, selfish bastards in the country the better.

How many times have we heard folk threaten to leave the country if taxes are raised/Labour are elected/someone looks the wrong way at them/calls their pint a puff (obligatory Biffa Bacon reference)? And yet here they all are still.

Given that the money is as much a means of keeping score/seeing who has the biggest willy as anything, why not just give them all giant cribbage boards and a shed load of match sticks?

P.J. Denyer 26th September 2021 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13609631)
"If you tax the rich they'll leave the country."
Good! The less wealth-hoarding, selfish bastards in the country the better.

That would explain the queue of billionaires trying to get into tax free paradises like Somalia.

Captain_Swoop 26th September 2021 04:18 AM

The motto of Eton College is "Floreat Etona",
“May Eton Flourish.” Not anything thoughtful or kind or wise like most school mottos. It is, It's about selfishness, greed and self-interest.
Maybe it explains why so many famous Old Etonians are as they are?

Vixen 26th September 2021 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13610639)
The motto of Eton College is "Floreat Etona",
“May Eton Flourish.” Not anything thoughtful or kind or wise like most school mottos. It is, It's about selfishness, greed and self-interest.
Maybe it explains why so many famous Old Etonians are as they are?

Ours was, "Play up! Play up! And play the game!" from a poem by Sir Henry Newbolt. It's all about what is cricket and what is not.

Maybe we should have a few more cricket players.


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