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Carrot Flower King 29th September 2021 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13613669)
Wrong Corbyn?

Though they are both fools

I remember when Piers was thought of as the cleverer of the Corbyn brothers...

Darat 29th September 2021 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13613738)
I remember when Piers was thought of as the cleverer of the Corbyn brothers...

Hmm... when did that change.... ;)

Carrot Flower King 29th September 2021 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13612697)
UK Prime Minister tweets
@10DowningStreet
United Kingdom government organization

We’ll harness space technology to solve problems on Earth, creating jobs and levelling up across the UK.

Find out more about our new National Space Strategy: https://gov.uk/government/news/bold-...s-space-sector

#SpaceStrategyUK

Are they including that proposal to build a launch pad thingy on the north Sutherland coast, a bit east of Durness near Whiten Head? Y'know, the one where the roads for around a hundred miles in every direction won't support heavy traffic, where you can't get in by sea, with the nearest harbours being Thurso or Kinlochbervie, and can't get in by air 'cos of all the winds? Where you couldn't launch anything half of the year 'cos of the winds?

Are we at that level of competent planning?

Captain_Swoop 29th September 2021 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13613747)
Are they including that proposal to build a launch pad thingy on the north Sutherland coast, a bit east of Durness near Whiten Head? Y'know, the one where the roads for around a hundred miles in every direction won't support heavy traffic, where you can't get in by sea, with the nearest harbours being Thurso or Kinlochbervie, and can't get in by air 'cos of all the winds? Where you couldn't launch anything half of the year 'cos of the winds?

Are we at that level of competent planning?

Probably not even got that far yet.

Isn't there an island in the middle of the Pacific or Atlantic we still own that we could use?

Vixen 29th September 2021 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13613753)
Probably not even got that far yet.

Isn't there an island in the middle of the Pacific or Atlantic we still own that we could use?

Who cares? Let's just launch Boris into space.

Carrot Flower King 29th September 2021 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13613746)
Hmm... when did that change.... ;)

A good question. ETA That they were both educated at Shrewsbury does not speak particulary well for private education.

I had to explain to quite a few folk I know that my unhappiness about the Corbyn-led Labour Party was not the leftiness (although I might still disagree on some specific issues), but that JC is just not that bright and had never come across as being acquainted with competence (I remember things from the '80s...).

Anyone wondering about the overall competence/usefulness levels of our political class as a whole could do worse than read Isabel Hardman's Why We Get The Wrong Politicians, which makes a lot of things much clearer. Martyn Williams' Parliament Ltd and Posh Boys by Robert Verkaik fill in some gaps.

The Don 29th September 2021 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13613786)
A good question. ETA That they were both educated at Shrewsbury does not speak particulary well for private education.

A Brexit-supporting ex-member of Wyld Bird Seed went to that same school - the issue may just be with that one school rather than private education as a whole.

catsmate 29th September 2021 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13613669)
Wrong Corbyn?

Though they are both fools

No, no. Piers turned up to rant too.

Pixel42 29th September 2021 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13613738)
I remember when Piers was thought of as the cleverer of the Corbyn brothers...

I don't remember long time climate change denier Piers Corbyn ever being considered clever. Not by anyone capable of rational thought, anyway.

Darat 29th September 2021 10:44 AM

So Starmer puts out his stall, literally the first thing the BBC presenter says after he finished was that he was heckled.

Darat 29th September 2021 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pixel42 (Post 13614207)
I don't remember long time climate change denier Piers Corbyn ever being considered clever. Not by anyone capable of rational thought, anyway.

Don't forget the dumb is cleverer than the dumber, doesn’t mean either is clever!

Carrot Flower King 29th September 2021 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pixel42 (Post 13614207)
I don't remember long time climate change denier Piers Corbyn ever being considered clever. Not by anyone capable of rational thought, anyway.

Private Eye gag, because, as you point out, no-one ever really thought either was that bright.

lobosrul5 29th September 2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13612502)
Britain will launch rockets next year, vows Boris Johnson

Spaceports from Cornwall to Shetland will launch rockets into orbit next year as Boris Johnson promises to create “galactic Britain”.

The prime minister insisted that Britain cannot remain “earthbound” and must seize leadership in the multi-billion-pound space industry.

Space defences will spy on hostile powers from orbit and prevent them jamming vital communications, a government strategy published yesterday promised. Satellites will also help to forecast the weather and look for power grid outages, the plan said.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...nson-r38tckx3l

.... do you guys east of the pond not have weather satellites? :jaw-dropp

Or maybe you prefer the kind launched by local launchpads for local people? :D

dudalb 29th September 2021 12:37 PM

I think the UK might have the same problem the US is having:seems as though the best and the brightest no longer want to have anything to do with politics.

The Don 29th September 2021 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 (Post 13614308)
.... do you guys east of the pond not have weather satellites? :jaw-dropp

Or maybe you prefer the kind launched by local launchpads for local people? :D

Ours would have been launched from the European Space Agency site in the past. We don't have the same access to that now, for some reason that escapes me..;)

Captain_Swoop 29th September 2021 12:42 PM

ESA will launch a payload for anyone as long as they pay.

Where is Boris going to get a rocket and launch facility by next year? It's the end of September now!

Maybe he watched this Top Gear piece of Dave!

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE

jimbob 29th September 2021 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13612502)
Britain will launch rockets next year, vows Boris Johnson

Spaceports from Cornwall to Shetland will launch rockets into orbit next year as Boris Johnson promises to create “galactic Britain”.

The prime minister insisted that Britain cannot remain “earthbound” and must seize leadership in the multi-billion-pound space industry.

Space defences will spy on hostile powers from orbit and prevent them jamming vital communications, a government strategy published yesterday promised. Satellites will also help to forecast the weather and look for power grid outages, the plan said.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...nson-r38tckx3l

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13612528)
For once the government's favourite tactic is failing them, usually with their "big lie" they repeat something enough times and people accept their new reality. But this time repeating "there is no shortage of fuel" doesn't seem to be changing reality for them.

It's like standing in the Sahara and shouting, "there is no shortage of water!"

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13613046)
Just saw a story about the fuel shortage in the UK
Bojo is doing such a great job.....
This is one issue where the usual BS won;t work for the Government.

This was in the Brexit thread, but I think it's appropriate to put it here as well

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13612831)
I knew the current situation reminded me of something, so I looked at a book Dad got when he went on a working holiday in the US in 1962

Khrushchev's Top Secret Coloring Book - Your First Red Reader






P.J. Denyer 30th September 2021 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13612448)
"transparency with taxpayers" hohoho

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

Wonder if they missed their 'donations' to The Party?

P.J. Denyer 30th September 2021 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13612502)
Britain will launch rockets next year, vows Boris Johnson

Spaceports from Cornwall to Shetland will launch rockets into orbit next year as Boris Johnson promises to create “galactic Britain”.

The prime minister insisted that Britain cannot remain “earthbound” and must seize leadership in the multi-billion-pound space industry.

Space defences will spy on hostile powers from orbit and prevent them jamming vital communications, a government strategy published yesterday promised. Satellites will also help to forecast the weather and look for power grid outages, the plan said.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...nson-r38tckx3l

Could we make do with launching one, and have him on it?

P.J. Denyer 30th September 2021 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13612528)
For once the government's favourite tactic is failing them, usually with their "big lie" they repeat something enough times and people accept their new reality. But this time repeating "there is no shortage of fuel" doesn't seem to be changing reality for them.

It's like standing in the Sahara and shouting, "there is no shortage of water!"

"There's no shortage of water, it's in the Ocean, theres just a shortage of water tankers"

Blue Bubble 30th September 2021 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13614388)
Ours would have been launched from the European Space Agency site in the past. We don't have the same access to that now, for some reason that escapes me..;)


Pretty sure the UK is still a member of ESA, which is independent of the European Union.



https://www.esa.int/About_Us/Corpora...erating_States


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ESA has 22 Member States. The national bodies responsible for space in these countries sit on ESA’s governing Council: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.



Canada also sits on the Council and takes part in some projects under a Cooperation Agreement. Slovenia, Latvia and Lithuania are Associate Members. Five other EU states have Cooperation Agreements with ESA: Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Malta and Slovakia.

Same with my former career at the European Molecular Biology Laboratory.

P.J. Denyer 30th September 2021 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13612803)
There is a question which has frequently been asked within the Carrot Flower household: why the sodding buggery bollocks did Johnson want to be King of the World/Prime Minister of the UK? He shows absolutely no aptitude for actually DOING anything or sorting out any problems, lacks any ideology or driving principles, remains clueless about how anything actually works, has no idea about how one action or inaction subsequently influences other events.

What is he actually FOR?

Every day he walked past a big mahogany board at Eton with the names of Old Boys who'd been PM on it, he went to a school where if you said 'I want to be Prime Minister' they'd take it seriously rather than one where the response would be "Yeah okay, delivery driver or behind the bar in a Wetherspoons?", when Cameron became PM Johnson just had to get his name up on that board too. The last ten years have been a big Bullingdon jolly, Cameron insulting the waiters & groping the waitresses while they throw food at each other and now Boris is setting fire to the toilets and throwing money around so we don't call the police. Expect them to burn a £50 note infront of a homeless person on their way out of Downing St.

Vixen 1st October 2021 01:32 AM

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Boris Johnson with his clown act reminds me of Jimmy Savile with his chummy 'everybody's friend' act. Why do Brits fall for this slimy phoniness? It is not amusing it is utterly revolting.

Carrot Flower King 1st October 2021 02:46 AM

Not all Brits do: my sister tried several times to have Savile stopped from coming on her ward at LGI, as did a few of her friends, but they were all over-ruled by LGI's craven management; I knew folk at Broadmoor (worked with them up here, but they went off to work in a full secure setting) who tried similar things but werre over-ruled by management.

As for Blow Job, anyone who was ever taken in by his schtick needs to give themselves a good talking to: he was always a buffon and a chancer. However, the whole "Posh Boys Should Be In Charge", fore-lock tugging bollocks dies hard in many places.

jimbob 1st October 2021 07:07 AM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1930558.html

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Government asks German residents to drive lorries even if they never have before
Exclusive: German driving licences issued before 1999 include entitlement to drive a small to medium-sized truck of up to 7.5 tonnes

The Don 1st October 2021 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13616332)

As is pointed out upthread, those of us who passed our tests 30 years ago have the same type of licence. I expect to receive a letter soon...... :rolleyes:

GlennB 1st October 2021 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13616332)

It's almost funny.

Captain_Swoop 1st October 2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13616332)

My UK license has C1 and C1E which are

C1: You can drive vehicles between 3,500 and 7,500kg MAM (with a trailer up to 750kg).

C1E :You can drive C1 category vehicles with a trailer over 750kg providing the combined MAM of both cannot exceed 12,000kg.

Darat 1st October 2021 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13616382)
As is pointed out upthread, those of us who passed our tests 30 years ago have the same type of licence. I expect to receive a letter soon...... :rolleyes:

I think they are called “call up” papers….

Vixen 1st October 2021 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13616548)
My UK license has C1 and C1E which are

C1: You can drive vehicles between 3,500 and 7,500kg MAM (with a trailer up to 750kg).

C1E :You can drive C1 category vehicles with a trailer over 750kg providing the combined MAM of both cannot exceed 12,000kg.

My Finnish EU licence, which was swapped from a UK one is a 'B':

B

Vehicles with a gross weight of no more than 3,500 kg that have been designed and manufactured to carry a maximum of eight passengers in addition to the driver;
Vehicle combinations comprising a towing vehicle in Category B and a towed vehicle whose gross weight is no more than 750 kg;
Vehicle combinations comprising a towing vehicle in Category B and a towed vehicle whose gross weight exceeds 750 kg, as long as the gross weight of the vehicle combination is no more than 3 500 kg.
Includes a right to drive categories AM/120, AM/121 and T

I got my full licence 1999.

Do I qualify to come to work as an HGV driver in England...?

Captain_Swoop 1st October 2021 11:44 AM

No you are restricted to little vans.
Earlier licenses let you drive a seven and a half tonner.

That's still not an HGV of either class.

GlennB 1st October 2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13616548)
My UK license has C1 and C1E which are

C1: You can drive vehicles between 3,500 and 7,500kg MAM (with a trailer up to 750kg).

C1E :You can drive C1 category vehicles with a trailer over 750kg providing the combined MAM of both cannot exceed 12,000kg.

I checked my licence and I lost the C1 category along the way. Not surprising perhaps, as I switched to a Greek-issue EU licence while living there, then back to a UK licence when we returned. MrsB is sorely disappointed that I won't be collecting fat signing-on fees and good wages in retirement :)

As you say, C1 is not HGV anyway so some of the headlines flying around are misguided or just plain deceptive.

Captain_Swoop 1st October 2021 12:01 PM

CE is HGV

jimbob 1st October 2021 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13616382)
As is pointed out upthread, those of us who passed our tests 30 years ago have the same type of licence. I expect to receive a letter soon...... :rolleyes:

I couldn't be bothered to work out what particular type of vehicle I could drive, but yes.


When I posted that story on Facebook, this is what one colleague said - he moved to one of our sites back in Germany rather than with us, in 2018 because of Brexit.


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I am also allowed to drive up to 7.5t...
What a shame I left the UK, I could have now had a career as underpaid trucker. Darn.

Vixen 1st October 2021 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13616620)
No you are restricted to little vans.
Earlier licenses let you drive a seven and a half tonner.

That's still not an HGV of either class.


Massive sigh or relief across the UK...

p0lka 1st October 2021 02:54 PM

Some Brexit papers are finally acknowledging the mess, but they can't blame Brexit so they are blaming the implementation.

Boris's days are numbered.

The Don 1st October 2021 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by p0lka (Post 13616872)
Some Brexit papers are finally acknowledging the mess, but they can't blame Brexit so they are blaming the implementation.

Boris's days are numbered.

He is however a useful distraction and there's hardly a surfeit of alternatives.

If the papers (or more accurately the press barons who own them) are expecting a change of course to a "better" Brexit, I'd be interested to know what they're expecting.

Do they want an even quicker descent into the low regulation, low wage economy that seems to be the preferred model for the billionaire classes ? They cannot, surely, be suggesting a less hard Brexit in which they UK joins the EEA as a vassal state ? Or are they just suggesting that the UK can have the "Rainbows and Unicorns" deal of all the benefits of EU membership but none of the responsibilities ?

I can see how such a thing could be dangled for propaganda purposes but surely no person versed in international business could believe that it could actually happen ? :confused:

Mojo 2nd October 2021 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13612697)
UK Prime Minister tweets
@10DowningStreet
United Kingdom government organization

We’ll harness space technology to solve problems on Earth, creating jobs and levelling up across the UK.

Find out more about our new National Space Strategy: https://gov.uk/government/news/bold-...s-space-sector

#SpaceStrategyUK


Further evidence that satire is redundant.

ETA: Splendid choice of photo here, though.

Captain_Swoop 2nd October 2021 11:19 AM

"Too early" to say whether Afghanistan campaign was a failure, says Army chief

Gen Sir Nick Carter joins Nick Robinson on #BBC Political Thinking

https://bbc.in/3oqunm4

p0lka 2nd October 2021 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13617164)
He is however a useful distraction and there's hardly a surfeit of alternatives.

If the papers (or more accurately the press barons who own them) are expecting a change of course to a "better" Brexit, I'd be interested to know what they're expecting.

Do they want an even quicker descent into the low regulation, low wage economy that seems to be the preferred model for the billionaire classes ? They cannot, surely, be suggesting a less hard Brexit in which they UK joins the EEA as a vassal state ? Or are they just suggesting that the UK can have the "Rainbows and Unicorns" deal of all the benefits of EU membership but none of the responsibilities ?

I can see how such a thing could be dangled for propaganda purposes but surely no person versed in international business could believe that it could actually happen ? :confused:

I don't think anyone in government at the moment is thinking that far ahead,

It's 'look at the headlines, oh **** we need to deal with that so let's do a thing that makes us look better for the next headlines',

no long term planning, just trying to get through one crisis after another whilst looking good.
ridiculous.
Yet people keep voting for them? that's even more ridiculous.

edit:
the press barons themselves? I think some people aren't happy unless everyone else is in conflict. There might not be a goal.


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