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P.J. Denyer 8th December 2021 05:36 PM

There were, allegedly, at least four parties. At least one of which was in the PM's residence. But the investigation is limited only to the one that no-one claims BoJo attended. And the investigation is being made by a man that it has been claimed attended that party. We're in serious Banana Republic territory.

The Don 9th December 2021 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13675037)
There were, allegedly, at least four parties. At least one of which was in the PM's residence. But the investigation is limited only to the one that no-one claims BoJo attended. And the investigation is being made by a man that it has been claimed attended that party. We're in serious Banana Republic territory.

Sadly it's SOP for this government when it's forced (by the media) to announce an investigation into something that it's done or not done - make the remit of the enquiry so narrow that, even if it is conducted competently, nothing of any import will be found and/or the findings can be dismissed because of the one-off nature of the problem (other examples having been specifically excluded). :mad:

Captain_Swoop 9th December 2021 03:55 AM

The Conservative Party has been fined £17,800 for "failing to accurately report a donation" that paid for the refurbishment of the PM's flat.
The Electoral Commission also said the party failed to "keep a proper accounting record" around the donation.

Over £52,000 was given to the party by Lord Brownlow for the work, initially paid for by the Cabinet Office.
A Tory spokesman said the party was considering whether to appeal and would make a decision within 28 days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59591917

Darat 9th December 2021 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13675230)
The Conservative Party has been fined £17,800 for "failing to accurately report a donation" that paid for the refurbishment of the PM's flat.
The Electoral Commission also said the party failed to "keep a proper accounting record" around the donation.

Over £52,000 was given to the party by Lord Brownlow for the work, initially paid for by the Cabinet Office.
A Tory spokesman said the party was considering whether to appeal and would make a decision within 28 days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59591917

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ines-democracy

....Opposition parties have condemned Conservative proposals to abolish or significantly revamp the Electoral Commission, with Labour saying any move to restrict the elections watchdog risks undermining faith in democracy....

sphenisc 9th December 2021 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13675230)
The Conservative Party has been fined £17,800 for "failing to accurately report a donation" that paid for the refurbishment of the PM's flat.
The Electoral Commission also said the party failed to "keep a proper accounting record" around the donation.

Over £52,000 was given to the party by Lord Brownlow for the work, initially paid for by the Cabinet Office.
A Tory spokesman said the party was considering whether to appeal and would make a decision within 28 days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59591917

That's about 20 rolls of wallpaper then.

Captain_Swoop 9th December 2021 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13675233)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ines-democracy

....Opposition parties have condemned Conservative proposals to abolish or significantly revamp the Electoral Commission, with Labour saying any move to restrict the elections watchdog risks undermining faith in democracy....

I wonder why they would want to do that?

Captain_Swoop 9th December 2021 04:32 AM

According to the Spectator, Lockdown law never applied to No10 so the party was legal.

Section 73 of the Public Health (Control of Disease) states that the Covid regulations, at all times, never apply to Crown Land, which includes No. 10 and other government departments.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...-break-the-law

Filippo Lippi 9th December 2021 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13674842)
I doubt she has he three million quid payment.

Throwing yourself under the bus for the prime minister: priceless

Filippo Lippi 9th December 2021 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by commandlinegamer (Post 13675016)
Parties, plural, it would seem.

Seven, by James O'Brien's count

Carrot Flower King 9th December 2021 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 13674973)
I've never been in this thread before, but I happened to have on BBC World News, and also saw a rather lengthy segment on CNN -- something about a Christmas party? I'm rather jealous that that seems to be the most scandalous thing that's gone on in your politics for a while.

Maybe we can lend you some of ours. (from the US) :P

Not even close: this one is merely yet another cherry on top of a large cake already loaded with icing and cherries.

Just in case you were not being ironic...

Captain_Swoop 9th December 2021 04:51 AM

How does Boris square this?

In May he told Lord Geidt that he did not know who was behind No11 flat refurb until Feb 2021.

Today the Electoral Commission says Boris Whatsapped Lord Brownlow in November 2020 asking for more cash for the refurbishment.

He said at a PMQs that he had no idea until Feb 21 and at that time he repaid the donation back in full.

Captain_Swoop 9th December 2021 04:53 AM

Apparently Boris wants to bring the Xmas recess forward to next Tuesday.

He gets out of another PMQs this side of Christmas

Captain_Swoop 9th December 2021 04:55 AM

Why does a millionaire need to beg for cash to redecorate? I paid for my new shed, how come Johnson can't pay for his own wallpaper?

As someone commented,

"Obviously Lord Geidt has to now resign for being lied to.
That’s how this works isn’t it?"

Dave Rogers 9th December 2021 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13675245)
Section 73 of the Public Health (Control of Disease) states that the Covid regulations, at all times, never apply to Crown Land, which includes No. 10 and other government departments.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...-break-the-law

But they did and do, presumably, apply to the Conservative Party's Westminster headquarters, right?

Dave

Carrot Flower King 9th December 2021 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13674829)
Doesn't know much, does he?

Considering he didn't know who'd coughed up for the gold wallpaper and the like at Downing Street and he didn't seem to know who had covered holiday expenses a couple of times, not to mention that he doesn't seem to know how many bairns he has, nor what chickens actually eat...Nor what mask-wearing rules apply in hospitals...

It's nearly as long a list what BlowJob doesn't know as what Raaaaaaaaaab doesn't know.

I wish to apologise fully and unreservedly for the highlighted error, as it turns out that BlowJob knew exactly who coughed up for the wall paper - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1972824.html - but he lied to everyone abut it.

Refresh my memory, please: did he claim in the Commons that he didn't know where the money had come from? If so, when can we expect action against him for lying to the House?

Captain_Swoop 9th December 2021 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13675293)
I wish to apologise fully and unreservedly for the highlighted error, as it turns out that BlowJob knew exactly who coughed up for the wall paper - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1972824.html - but he lied to everyone abut it.

Refresh my memory, please: did he claim in the Commons that he didn't know where the money had come from? If so, when can we expect action against him for lying to the House?

Yes, I already posted this morning

Quote:

How does Boris square this?

In May he told Lord Geidt that he did not know who was behind No11 flat refurb until Feb 2021.

Today the Electoral Commission says Boris Whatsapped Lord Brownlow in November 2020 asking for more cash for the refurbishment.

He said at a PMQs that he had no idea until Feb 21 and at that time he repaid the donation back in full.

Worm 9th December 2021 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13675245)
According to the Spectator, Lockdown law never applied to No10 so the party was legal.

Section 73 of the Public Health (Control of Disease) states that the Covid regulations, at all times, never apply to Crown Land, which includes No. 10 and other government departments.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...-break-the-law

However, Schedule 22 of the Coronavirus Act (2020) "Powers to issue directions relating to events, gatherings and premises" is clear that :

"This Schedule applies in relation to Crown premises as it applies in relation to any other premises."

which takes precedence?

https://twitter.com/doublehelix/stat...38995690258438

Vixen 9th December 2021 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13674726)
I honestly think that this will blow over - just like everything else. Just think of all the things that Boris Johnson has simply breezed through which would have finished off anyone else in the past:
  • Disclosures that he was awarding contracts to someone he was sleeping with when he was Mayor of London
  • Proroguing parliament
  • Having a Brexit deal, not having it and then breaking it - at least twice
  • Having tens of thousands of avoidable Covid deaths
  • Blowing £38bn on test and trace
  • Awarding £billions in contracts to mates
  • Risking the Northern Ireland agreement
  • Fuel shortages
  • Food shortages
  • Yet more sleaze
  • Trying to change the law to allow sleaze - and then having to u-turn
  • Abandoning our Afghan allies

I'm sure there are dozens more and all of that on top of being an embarrassing buffoon on both the national and international stage.

Brits don't mind any of those. Those one can live with. But having a party when the rest of us have to lockdown?

:nope:


Never underestimate Great British Envy.

Vixen 9th December 2021 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13674746)
She resigned as she felt her comments made light of the restrictions others were subjected to. She didn't mention the party


I've met many of her braying type. Thinks the plebs are funny in a snotty way.

Shouldn't worry about her. I am sure the Borister will soon form a square around her and hand her another £124K job for doing nothing soon.

Carrot Flower King 9th December 2021 11:14 AM

Just heard some berk of a Tory from somewhere or other southern saying he was considering leaving the party over the re-imposition of some, limited, Covid restrictions, while not saying a thing about all the lies, the corruption, the incompetence, the lies and the corruption...Not to forget the incompetence...

Revealing about the general ethical standards in the Tories, eh?

Vixen 9th December 2021 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13674800)
So she resigned. What about Rees-Mogg? He was on the video behaving in exactly the same way.

It hasn't been a year yet.

Vixen 9th December 2021 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13674802)
Notice that The Sun hasn't had a single front page story on the party fiasco or the **** up over Afghanistan. Today they are leading with a story about last weeks storm.

They know what Johnson knows:
  • the 'business meeting' took place on Crown Property, which is exempt, as Boris has discreetly looked into loopholes
  • the party which wasn't a party which included Carrie and her friend - the baby-sitter! - was all right because they were all part of a 'bubble' (no, silly, not the Prosecco type).
  • Number 10 is a big place. Bozo was fast asleep whilst all of this was *allegedly* going on.
  • The noise you heard was Larry the Cat.
  • The SUN was 'allegedly' there, although they were not, so is exempt from incriminating itself.

Vixen 9th December 2021 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13674951)
Siob, Princess of Yorkshire Blue tweeted

@Sillyshib
·
4h
Allegra Stratton has had a privileged life. She’s never had an empty food cupboard or empty bank account and she’s never had a door slammed in her face. She knows who the Vote Leave cabal are fine well, and she was happy to hitch her cart 2 them. Sympathy for her in minus figures

A disgusting lie! There was that time her four credit cards maxed out and there was only one bottle of champagne in the fridge.

Vixen 9th December 2021 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 13674973)
I've never been in this thread before, but I happened to have on BBC World News, and also saw a rather lengthy segment on CNN -- something about a Christmas party? I'm rather jealous that that seems to be the most scandalous thing that's gone on in your politics for a while.

Maybe we can lend you some of ours. (from the US) :P

My friend's father died of covid around about this time last year. She only managed to get to hold his hand as she is a care worker and was allowed in that way. (He also had pneumonia and dementia and was quite elderly.) The funeral was limited in numbers and like many, largely took place on Zoom. That is why people are very very angry. Nobody likes to be made fun of, and this is what the UK government, by having Christmas parties, banned for everybody else and to add insult to injury, the presser and spads made jokes about it in a press rehearsal a few days later.

Totally devoid of any integrity or morals. Untrustworthy. Corrupt to the gills.

Vixen 9th December 2021 11:36 AM

Last Christmas...

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Captain_Swoop 9th December 2021 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13675510)
Just heard some berk of a Tory from somewhere or other southern saying he was considering leaving the party over the re-imposition of some, limited, Covid restrictions, while not saying a thing about all the lies, the corruption, the incompetence, the lies and the corruption...Not to forget the incompetence...

Revealing about the general ethical standards in the Tories, eh?

He was on Radio 4 news.

He's a local party chairman. He's resigned from the party because he isn't happy with the 'dictatorial' path the party is taking over Covid restrictions.

Captain_Swoop 9th December 2021 12:24 PM

@pearlylondon
2h
News Reports that Carrie Johnson has given birth to a baby girl have been denied by Boris Johnson who says he has no knowledge of it, as far as he is concerned the event never took place and he will launch a thorough investigation into the claims.

Captain_Swoop 9th December 2021 12:25 PM

ITV News Politics tweeted
@ITVNewsPolitics
· 30m
Exclusive: Boris Johnson's most senior spin doctor Jack Doyle made thank you ​speech and handed out awards at Downing Street Christmas party on December 18, @itvnews has been told.

Captain_Swoop 9th December 2021 01:23 PM

The Cabinet Office tweeted
@cabinetofficeuk
· 5h
On anti-corruption day and everyday, we, as partners and allies, want to empower individuals to stand up against corruption and promote transparency.
Democracy enables us to hold each other to account, at home and abroad.
#IACD2021 #DemocracyAllies

https://this-is-democracy.com/?utm_s...paign=IACD2021


Are they on glue?

Carrot Flower King 9th December 2021 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13675679)
The Cabinet Office tweeted
@cabinetofficeuk
· 5h
On anti-corruption day and everyday, we, as partners and allies, want to empower individuals to stand up against corruption and promote transparency.
Democracy enables us to hold each other to account, at home and abroad.
#IACD2021 #DemocracyAllies

https://this-is-democracy.com/?utm_s...paign=IACD2021


Are they on glue?

Naaaah, IME with gluies back in Sheffield in the mid-80s was that gluies made far more sense and were far morse consistent in what they said and how they behaved than this shower of faecal matter.

Captain_Swoop 10th December 2021 03:03 AM

Daily Mail

"Sajid Javid says he REFUSED to do TV interviews defending the 'illegal' No10 Christmas party."


Seems the sharks are circling.

P.J. Denyer 10th December 2021 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13675245)
According to the Spectator, Lockdown law never applied to No10 so the party was legal.

Section 73 of the Public Health (Control of Disease) states that the Covid regulations, at all times, never apply to Crown Land, which includes No. 10 and other government departments.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...-break-the-law

If they do use this defense I think the backfire will be absolutely spectacular.

P.J. Denyer 10th December 2021 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13675254)
How does Boris square this?

In May he told Lord Geidt that he did not know who was behind No11 flat refurb until Feb 2021.

Today the Electoral Commission says Boris Whatsapped Lord Brownlow in November 2020 asking for more cash for the refurbishment.

He said at a PMQs that he had no idea until Feb 21 and at that time he repaid the donation back in full.

As I understand it, the excuse is that he asked Brownlow for the cash because briwnlow was administering a blind trust to manage the cash (although said trust had not yet been set up at the time) & didn't know that Brownlow was providing the cash for the blind trust he was (later to be) administering.

I'd like to see how the timing of setting up of the 'blind trust' compares to when questions started being asked.

"Because the money came in a brown envelope I had no way to know it wasn't legit!"

Captain_Swoop 10th December 2021 04:04 AM

Sajid Javid on BBC Breakfast says he was so ‘upset’ by the video of Allegra Stratton he couldn’t announce the Covid rule changes to parliament.

Carrot Flower King 10th December 2021 05:44 AM

The report into the bullying and harassment (let's call a spade a sodding shovel!) at West Suffolk NHS Trust is finally out - https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-whistleblower

I'm putting this in politics, as the decisions taken by the DoH to repeatedly delay publication (the findings were so obvious that I could immediately see them from Northumberland) were clearly political in order to allow all the guilty parties to sod off elsewhere, be it new jobs or retirement, and thus escape any form of consequence for their actions (managers are not regulated, as clinical staff have to be, and so cannot be pursued via professional regulatory bodies. It is, so history tells us, hard to make any complaint stick against a nurse or medic in a managerial role if it is that role in which they have been naughty). And, conveniently, Matt Hancock, the local MP and mate of the offending ex-chief exec, has also, finally, been evicted from the DoH, so he escapes anything for not acting against obvious bullying and harassment.

In a nutshell this shows why I have developed such a negative view of NHS management and the DoH, who collude against clinical staff trying to do the right thing and ignore existing policies when it suits. This sort of thing has happened so many times in so many places; the list of folk I personally know who have been threatened, bullied and harassed by management, self included, for trying to stick up for patients, clinical standards and colleagues is a very, very long one. However, the media play a part in condoning this, as they mostly ignore what people tell them about what is going on - those cases, like this one, which do make it into headlines are merely the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

Captain_Swoop 10th December 2021 06:58 AM

GB News
@GBNEWS
Broadcaster and journalist Eamonn Holmes joins GB News.

The guy who pushed the 5g conspiracy theory live on air?

High standards.

The Don 10th December 2021 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13676265)
GB News
@GBNEWS
Broadcaster and journalist Eamonn Holmes joins GB News.

From the BBC report of that news:

Quote:

In his statement, Holmes added: "I've admired GB News from the beginning for its clever mix of punchy debate but delivered with warmth and even some fun.

"To me the greatest honour in journalism is to give a voice and respect to the unheard, and that's exactly what GB News is all about."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59259962

The "unheard" ? I'm not aware of GB News providing an outlet for the marginalised and members of minorities. I thought it was about providing a megaphone for "gammons" :confused:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59259962

I hope he enjoys his pieces of silver.

Holmes has "form" for some whackadoodle beliefs.

Quote:

However, he caused controversy last year on This Morning when he cast doubt on media outlets that had debunked the myth that 5G causes coronavirus.

"What I don't accept is mainstream media immediately slapping that down as not true when they don't know it's not true," he said at the time.

P.J. Denyer 10th December 2021 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13676276)
From the BBC report of that news:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59259962

The "unheard" ? I'm not aware of GB News providing an outlet for the marginalised and members of minorities. I thought it was about providing a megaphone for "gammons" :confused:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59259962

I hope he enjoys his pieces of silver.

Holmes has "form" for some whackadoodle beliefs.


On the bright side, GB News does seem to be proving quite an effective monkey trap for getting some high profile broadcasters we're better off without off of channels where there's any danger of anyone watching them.

Captain_Swoop 10th December 2021 02:46 PM

Michael Gove on Sky News
"I've been alongside the Prime Minister since the pandemic hit and he's led from the front, with clarity and confidence and never flinched from difficult decisions."

Bit if a mispronunciation there, it should of course be “he lied from the front”.

Guybrush Threepwood 10th December 2021 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13676614)
Michael Gove on Sky News
"I've been alongside the Prime Minister since the pandemic hit and he's led from the front, with clarity and confidence and never flinched from difficult decisions."

Bit if a mispronunciation there, it should of course be “he lied from the front”.

I think Boris should ask Santa for a stab proof back protector for Christmas. :p


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