Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero
 

FWIW, part of May's Withdrawal Agreement is that during the transition period the backstop can be replaced with something else - if something legal, workable, and better is brought to the table.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1175316645700653056

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Quelle surprise!

Meanwhile, Labour is continuing their infighting ahead of the conference. The leader of Momentum filed a last-minute motion last night, calling for the abolition of the post of Deputy leader, a post currently held by the strongly pro-Remain Tom Watson.

Watson has been a bit of a thorn in Corbyn's side as of late, with repeated calls for Labour to back remain, as opposed to Corbyn's tactic of demurring on taking a position.

One of the sad thing for me is seeing how quickly the seeds of co-operation and joint working in the opposition have disintegrated when an election was thrown to them.

Sad really that they have all reverted to fighting amongst themselves and each other rather than opposing the Tories.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1175339411409690624

But, yes, Labour have really perfected the art of scoring own-goals over the last few years, haven't they? They could probably have run away with the last election if they'd just been, well, basically competent.

The membership voted for Watson and the cabal tries to abolish the Post. With no reference to membership. Some democratic party this is.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1175352839339687936

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That is why you only change it if further investigation bears fruit.

But it is quite hard to conclude that the deal could not benefit from a single Pareto improvement.

The only time Labour was credible as a party in government since the late 1970s, was (incredibly) under Blair. Think of other ineffective Labour Leaders; Foot, Kinnock, Brown and the wrong Miliband. John Smith was a credible leader, but his sudden death meant the first of a couple of caretaker leaders.

Because the RoI and EU sensibly don't trust the UK.

That's interesting, has Corbyn bought off Lansman I wonder?

Looks like Labour is possibly more divided than the Tories;

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-brexit-chaos

"Jeremy Corbyn was struggling to contain an open revolt by some of his most senior shadow ministers, MPs and party activists on Saturday night as anger over his refusal to back a policy of remaining in the EU threatened to wreck the Labour conference."

It's tragic that when they have an opportunity like they have not had for years, Labor has such crappy leadership.

Kind of like the US Democrats.

Oh, touche!

Everyone else in the UK is fighting amongst themselves. Why not Labour?

Kind of similar to the US.

Beat you to that one!

I think the Dems have a couple of decent candidates;whterh they will be the ones who win the nomination is another story.

Elizabeth Warren warm favourite on Ladbrokes and democrats favourite to win on Ladbrokes
Welcome a very white female US president.
Boris Johnson disgusts this everywoman. Good luck Boris.

Juncker has made it clear that there will be a border in Ireland in the event of no deal today. Which puts paid to the 'Eu won't put a border there' crew, or at least it should but of course it won't because they will just keep lying because that's what liars do.

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ETA: Yes, he confirms that here.

However, just to go back to something that was said before in the FT about Boris and the "penny dropping"; Juncker says that was incorrect, and it was not a case of Boris learning about the single market for the first time or whatever other very basic point made Johnson sound ridiculous.

I mean, I am sure most of us still find Johnson ridiculous, but Juncker is explaining it is not quite the same scrape-your-jaw-off-the-floor level of ignorance that it appeared to have been in the FT.

Seeing rumours that there's a major scandal about to break about Johnson. "Career ending", supposedly.

I think Corbyn has never really changed his mind about how leaving the EU would be a good thing. He only wants to turn the UK into a socialist utopia, where coal mines and steel mills are kept running no matter what, and there's no unemployment because all industry is subsidised by the state.

Another one?:jaw-dropp

I know. Given what his role model Trump has managed to shake off, I'm trying not to get my hopes up.

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/sta...01716240601091

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1175708136642097152

Intriguing. If Johnson is acting under blackmail from a foreign power, then that could be an absolutely massive scandal. Mind you, Trump's managed to bluster his way through exactly the same things, so who knows if it would actually damage Johnson or Brexit?

And that's assuming it has anything to do with Brexit at all. Or, indeed, is true at all.

This the public money that was awarded to his fancy piece?

Possibly, but that was already out there when the rumours started circulating so if so, there's more to come on that story.

According to the tweets I quoted in my post above, it may be connected to that story, but concerned with details that are not yet public.

You flatter yourselves. We have well over a thousand of years of history to choose from, and the minutiae of some side-shows to the bigger story just don't have much significance.

Depressingly, I think anyone who supports Boris Johnson with what we already know about him is pretty much impervious to scandal.

How many times had Trump had a career ending scandal?

I get the impression that Bojo supporters are pretty much interchangable with Trump supporters.

Boy, you really hate the US, don't you?

Well, the Supreme Court mainly debated about how to deal with an illegal prorogation. It didn't debate much whether the government had a case or not, it clearly misled the queen. They must treat carefully, because this will be a precendens by which the country will run from here on. They're basically writing down a moment in constitutional history. It is a solemn occasion, what they do today (or later this week) may be taught to children in the civic class a century from now, as one of the constitutional foundations on which British democracy (or otherwise) stands.

The only proper way to go is to declare BJ guilty of lying to the queen and order his immediate arrest and trial for misconduct in public office (his guilt is predetermined, but he needs a trial anway), or something of that nature.

The Misconduct in public office offence is committed when:

- a public officer acting as such;
- wilfully neglects to perform his duty and/or wilfully misconducts himself;
- to such a degree as to amount to an abuse of the public's trust in the office holder;
- without reasonable excuse or justification.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidanc...-public-office

I argue misleading the queen on prorogation of Parliament scores at least four out of four. Possibly more, since it scores at least double on some of those lines. All that is left is to determine the length of the sentence, the maximum is life in prison, which seems appropriate. Follow the procedure in place for the eventuality of a PM that dies on office.

There is a procedure that gives a new PM in case the old one snuffs it, right?

McHrozni

Replace Democrats with Brussels and you wouldn't be able to tell them apart.