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shuttlt 19th October 2020 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Elagabalus (Post 13262953)

It comes down to the external drive was used to recover to. There was nothing wrong with the internal drive. It was probably easily removed from the laptop and recovered onto the external drive. I'm pleased to learn where this idea came from, but I don't understand why it is exciting anybody. Doesn't it agree with what has been claimed by the repair shop guy?

jerrywayne 19th October 2020 03:10 PM

The other side:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ocid=Peregrine

shuttlt 19th October 2020 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13262887)
The first has already been discussed in the thread (and apologies if the other two have and I missed them), namely that the metadata of the "smocking gun" email dates it to October 2019, while the laptop itself was allegedly dropped off in April 2019.

I hadn't heard this. The best I have been able to find is that the pdf uploaded by the NYP was dated then. The emails I've seen are just screenshots with dates prior to the laptop being dropped off.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13262957)
It comes down to the external drive was used to recover to. There was nothing wrong with the internal drive. It was probably easily removed from the laptop and recovered onto the external drive. I'm pleased to learn where this idea came from, but I don't understand why it is exciting anybody. Doesn't it agree with what has been claimed by the repair shop guy?

Not only that, but when challenged in the actual thread, he admits things like he can't be certain what he is saying is correct. Example the 3 year warranty, it may be a 5 year warranty. He was proven wrong on the laptop and whether the hard drive was removable. Etc.

What the doubters of the story are to have you believe, Hunter didn't drop off the laptop, and the repair guy was willing to take hacked materials and fabricate how he obtained them and then lied to the FBI. I find that harder to believe than a meth addict just dropped off a laptop and never picked it up.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13262962)
I hadn't heard this. The best I have been able to find is that the pdf uploaded by the NYP was dated then. The emails I've seen are just screenshots with dates prior to the laptop being dropped off.


Exactly, the metadata is from the PDF that was created, not the email. LOL

Elagabalus 19th October 2020 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jerrywayne (Post 13262959)

LOVE IT! They're now trying to shame the Libs.

shuttlt 19th October 2020 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13262964)
Not only that, but when challenged in the actual thread, he admits things like he can't be certain what he is saying is correct. Example the 3 year warranty, it may be a 5 year warranty. He was proven wrong on the laptop and whether the hard drive was removable. Etc.

What the doubters of the story are to have you believe, Hunter didn't drop off the laptop, and the repair guy was willing to take hacked materials and fabricate how he obtained them and then lied to the FBI. I find that harder to believe than a meth addict just dropped off a laptop and never picked it up.

The positive side is that if this nobody used forged material to try and take down Joe Biden, the FBI have had a year on it and presumably had lots of time to conduct an investigation.

Squeegee Beckenheim 19th October 2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13262962)
I hadn't heard this. The best I have been able to find is that the pdf uploaded by the NYP was dated then. The emails I've seen are just screenshots with dates prior to the laptop being dropped off.

Yes, I'm talking about the screenshot, because the actual emails haven't been released.

varwoche 19th October 2020 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13262964)
Not only that, but when challenged in the actual thread, he admits things like he can't be certain what he is saying is correct. Example the 3 year warranty, it may be a 5 year warranty. He was proven wrong on the laptop and whether the hard drive was removable. Etc.

What the doubters of the story are to have you believe, Hunter didn't drop off the laptop, and the repair guy was willing to take hacked materials and fabricate how he obtained them and then lied to the FBI. I find that harder to believe than a meth addict just dropped off a laptop and never picked it up.

Do your readers a favor, what with this being a forum ostensibly about discerning reality.

As you eagerly assign weight to such sketchy material, at least try to get your facts straight.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13262977)
Yes, I'm talking about the screenshot, because the actual emails haven't been released.

So why say

"namely that the metadata of the "smocking gun" email dates it to October 2019, while the laptop itself was allegedly dropped off in April 2019."

If you knew it wasn't metadata from the email?

shuttlt 19th October 2020 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13262977)
Yes, I'm talking about the screenshot, because the actual emails haven't been released.

OK. It doesn't seem like a significant discovery to me that the pdf that was made out of the emails was generated after the laptop was dropped off.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13262979)
Do your readers a favor, what with this being a forum ostensibly about discerning reality.

As you eagerly assign weight to such sketchy material, at least try to get your facts straight.


Do tell what kind of pipe was it? Since you're the expert. I've seen it called a crack pipe, and seen those people corrected to say it's actually a meth pipe in the pictures. Now with your expertise, will you please lay it out for us? Let's settle it right here since you are so well versed in it. To me, and all the non addicts, it changes nothing about the reliability of a crack and/or meth addict to follow through on responsibilities such as picking up the laptop.

Elagabalus 19th October 2020 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13262983)
Do tell what kind of pipe was it? Since you're the expert. I've seen it called a crack pipe, and seen those people corrected to say it's actually a meth pipe in the pictures. Now with your expertise, will you please lay it out for us? Let's settle it right here since you are so well versed in it. To me, and all the non addicts, it changes nothing about the reliability of a crack and/or meth addict to follow through on responsibilities such as picking up the laptop.

Indeed. I'll never vote for Hunter Biden.

https://twitter.com/johnpavlovitz/st...963584/photo/1

shuttlt 19th October 2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13262983)
Do tell what kind of pipe was it? Since you're the expert. I've seen it called a crack pipe, and seen those people corrected to say it's actually a meth pipe in the pictures. Now with your expertise, will you please lay it out for us? Let's settle it right here since you are so well versed in it. To me, and all the non addicts, it changes nothing about the reliability of a crack and/or meth addict to follow through on responsibilities such as picking up the laptop.

Does the drug part actually matter? It feels like a pointless rabbit hole beyond the credibility such private pictures of him being in this data gives to the emails.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13262979)
Do your readers a favor, what with this being a forum ostensibly about discerning reality.

As you eagerly assign weight to such sketchy material, at least try to get your facts straight.

Also seen elsewhere https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/m...on/meth-mouth/

Seems like meth to me, but I'd like to hear your expertise.

varwoche 19th October 2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13262983)
Do tell what kind of pipe was it? Since you're the expert. I've seen it called a crack pipe, and seen those people corrected to say it's actually a meth pipe in the pictures. Now with your expertise, will you please lay it out for us? Let's settle it right here since you are so well versed in it. To me, and all the non addicts, it changes nothing about the reliability of a crack and/or meth addict to follow through on responsibilities such as picking up the laptop.

I don't know. So why would I tell?

Do you think it's productive or informative to accuse people you don't know, who challenge something you post, of being drug abusers? Rhetorical.

xjx388 19th October 2020 03:52 PM

You people need to get out more. There's no difference between a meth pipe and a crack pipe. There are variations but you can use the same pipe to smoke either. You can also use them to vaporize thc concentrates.

Geez, it's like you guys never party or something . . .

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13262989)
I don't know. So why would I tell?

Do you think it's productive or informative to accuse people you don't know, who challenge something you post, of being drug abusers? Rhetorical.

Hunter Biden has an admitted history of drug abuse. That you chose to challenge that fact isn't going to work out well for you. You spoke as though you were an expert. He clearly fell asleep with a DOPE pipe in his mouth. How's that?

Elagabalus 19th October 2020 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13262986)
Does the drug part actually matter? It feels like a pointless rabbit hole beyond the credibility such private pictures of him being in this data gives to the emails.

It IS a pointless rabbit hole. But that's the point.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13262986)
Does the drug part actually matter? It feels like a pointless rabbit hole beyond the credibility such private pictures of him being in this data gives to the emails.

I think it matters as to why he may have left the laptop. Drug addicts do stupid things. The type of drug whether crack or meth does not change that. Someone wanted to make an issue of my characterization of Hunter as an addict. He's an admitted addict, so that's not going to work.

phiwum 19th October 2020 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13262887)
I'll try to find some text sources of these tomorrow when I've got a little more time (and therefore take them with a large pinch of salt until I can find corroboration of some kind), but I heard three pieces of information about the email and the laptop today.

The first has already been discussed in the thread (and apologies if the other two have and I missed them), namely that the metadata of the "smocking gun" email dates it to October 2019, while the laptop itself was allegedly dropped off in April 2019.

The metadata I heard about was regarding the PDF representing the email, which would of course be irrelevant. But I heard that in passing and won't swear it's correct.

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The second is that there is allegedly a time-stamp on the email which is from a central European timezone, rather than an American one.

And the third is that the serial number of the harddrive has been traced and reveals that it remains in warranty until April 18th 2022. Since that model has a 3 year warranty, that means that it was purchased on April 18th 2019. The laptop was allegedly dropped off on April 12th 2019.
How does someone have the serial number of the harddrive? I thought that the only things made public were a number of emails (at least one of which was represented by a screenshot).

Answered in the later posted Twitter link. The serial number for the hard drive (an external HD) is from a repair document.

The external HD was used to try to recover data, if I understand correctly. A difference in terms of less than a month for the warranty seems not that troubling, but I don't know how these things work.

Silly Green Monkey 19th October 2020 04:23 PM

Stupid like teleporting three thousand miles from California to Delaware, to find the only blind computer repair technician in the country who wouldn't get so much as a signature to connect a paper trail between him and his computer?

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey (Post 13263010)
Stupid like teleporting three thousand miles from California to Delaware, to find the only blind computer repair technician in the country who wouldn't get so much as a signature to connect a paper trail between him and his computer?


Hunter Biden is from Delaware, and his father lives in Delaware. So it's not exactly a good argument that his residence in California would mean he never travels to Delaware.

Regarding the "legally blind" nonsense https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/leg...in%20one%20eye. it's a poor attempt to discredit this story.

Not sure why you think there is no signature.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 13263009)
The metadata I heard about was regarding the PDF representing the email, which would of course be irrelevant. But I heard that in passing and won't swear it's correct.



How does someone have the serial number of the harddrive? I thought that the only things made public were a number of emails (at least one of which was represented by a screenshot).

Answered in the later posted Twitter link. The serial number for the hard drive (an external HD) is from a repair document.

The external HD was used to try to recover data, if I understand correctly. A difference in terms of less than a month for the warranty seems not that troubling, but I don't know how these things work.

That's assuming it wasn't a 5 year warranty. The twitter poster conceded that point down thread, he was assuming a 3 year warranty.

Babbylonian 19th October 2020 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263013)
Hunter Biden is from Delaware, and his father lives in Delaware. So it's not exactly a good argument that his residence in California would mean he never travels to Delaware.

Someone living in California wouldn't leave a personal computer in a repair shop on the east coast, if only because it would be wildly inconvenient. That this doesn't give you pause shows that you'll argue anything in order to excuse this entirely implausible story. Literally, the only people who believe it are the tragically stupid. The rest of those claiming the story is credible are doing so in an effort to slander Joe Biden by the fact that he has a son who has had problems; they (likely including you) know the story is BS but are in a desperate, immoral frame of mind...like all "conservatives."

Minoosh 19th October 2020 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13262992)
Hunter Biden has an admitted history of drug abuse. That you chose to challenge that fact isn't going to work out well for you.

Is that what you think happened?

fishbob 19th October 2020 05:13 PM

Getting back to Barr - where is he and how is he doing?
His condition may be the bigger October surprise.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13263036)
Someone living in California wouldn't leave a personal computer in a repair shop on the east coast, if only because it would be wildly inconvenient. That this doesn't give you pause shows that you'll argue anything in order to excuse this entirely implausible story. Literally, the only people who believe it are the tragically stupid. The rest of those claiming the story is credible are doing so in an effort to slander Joe Biden by the fact that he has a son who has had problems; they (likely including you) know the story is BS but are in a desperate, immoral frame of mind...like all "conservatives."


You're opinion that it would be "inconvenient" for a millionaire drug addict doesn't really hold muster. There is no evidence that what the repair man says happened, didn't. Otherwise you would post it. We have the claims of the repair man, the FBI taking the hardware through a grand jury subpoena, the repair man giving copies away when nothing came of it, we have Biden's attorney asking for the hardware back.

We have no denial from Biden that the hardware wasn't his. Face it, it's looking more and more like the laptop was left by a drug addict. It's not that complicated.

Babbylonian 19th October 2020 05:42 PM

Wow. Now, a grand jury has been empanelled? How many lies are you going to push?

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13263080)
Wow. Now, a grand jury has been empanelled? How many lies are you going to push?

You think the repair guy is lying about the FBI requesting the hardware through a grand jury subpoena? You think the subpoena was faked too?

"The FBI seized the laptop and a hard drive through a grand jury subpoena. The subpoena was later published by the New York Post. The bureau has declined to comment."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...reign-n1243620

You seem to be the one pushing lies.

fishbob 19th October 2020 05:46 PM

Chain of logic:

"We have the claims of . . . " but no evidence.
Claims by extremely disreputable characters, but no evidence.
Evidence free claims.
Freedom from evidence.
Freedom is A Merkin as you can git, so hang him.

I Am The Scum 19th October 2020 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263061)
We have no denial from Biden that the hardware wasn't his. Face it, it's looking more and more like the laptop was left by a drug addict. It's not that complicated.

That's not how the burden of proof works.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbob (Post 13263086)
Chain of logic:

"We have the claims of . . . " but no evidence.
Claims by extremely disreputable characters, but no evidence.
Evidence free claims.
Freedom from evidence.
Freedom is A Merkin as you can git, so hang him.

Sure sure, the pictures are of a second Hunter Biden, kind of like the second Oswald huh?

The grand jury subpoena was faked by the FBI wasn't it?

The email chain which was confirmed by others contacted in the chain is not real, because the email was fake, and therefore the confirming party is lying.

The repair guy is lying.

Hunter Biden would never physically go to Delaware. And theoretically, if he did, drug addicts are known for stable behavior and being responsible individuals. However Hunter Biden would never do drugs, so........FAKE I tell you!

Biden's attorney didn't call the repair shop, that was a fake call. And the email sent to the repair man from Biden's attorney is also fake.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum (Post 13263091)
That's not how the burden of proof works.

No one said that.

Stacyhs 19th October 2020 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum (Post 13263091)
That's not how the burden of proof works.

It's amazing how many people think a person must prove their innocence and not that an accuser must prove a person's guilt. It's so much easier to accuse someone of something than it is for that person to prove the accusation isn't true.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13263105)
It's amazing how many people think a person must prove their innocence and not that an accuser must prove a person's guilt. It's so much easier to accuse someone of something than it is for that person to prove the accusation isn't true.

No one said that either.

I Am The Scum 19th October 2020 06:19 PM

I definitely trust this guy. Why don't you?

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum (Post 13263111)
I definitely trust this guy. Why don't you?


Am I the only one who thinks he could play Mr Magoo?

I Am The Scum 19th October 2020 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263124)
Am I the only one who thinks he could play Mr Magoo?

You mean he isn't?

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13263105)
It's amazing how many people think a person must prove their innocence and not that an accuser must prove a person's guilt. It's so much easier to accuse someone of something than it is for that person to prove the accusation isn't true.

That works for the repair man too though.


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