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eerok 14th December 2020 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13326499)
Doesn't matter what a lawyer writes in a personal letter. If they are serious, it comes in a specific format and wording. Barr simply doesn't want Trump to launch his mob lawyers at him for violating his NDA or whatever. He just wants to go away with his skin intact.

I always figured Barr as a guy who'd slouch away when it was convenient.

Stacyhs 14th December 2020 07:27 PM

There is no way Barr wrote that letter and meant it. None. There was some kind of coercion.

Norman Alexander 14th December 2020 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13326583)
There is no way Barr wrote that letter and meant it. None. There was some kind of coercion.

Getting out alive??

Regnad Kcin 14th December 2020 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13323561)
True, but is that a positive or a negative to the Bidens? Now that China Joe is back in high office his name has power and influence to sell, but will his junkie son and brother be brave enough to cash in on it?

Will the "big guy" still get his 10% cut if they do?

Also, whatís in it for the token hoe?

Puppycow 14th December 2020 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13326422)
Trump Tweets

Just had a very nice meeting with Attorney General Bill Barr at the White House. Our relationship has been a very good one, he has done an outstanding job! As per letter, Bill will be leaving just before Christmas to spend the holidays with his family...

...Deputy Attorney General Jeff Rosen, an outstanding person, will become Acting Attorney General. Highly respected Richard Donoghue will be taking over the duties of Deputy Attorney General. Thank you to all!

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13326423)
....except when I was deriding him and saying he wasn't.

Yeah, didn't he just call Barr a "big disappointment" in a recent tweet? In fact, there was a series of very critical tweets about Barr.

Stacyhs 14th December 2020 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Puppycow (Post 13326624)
Yeah, didn't he just call Barr a "big disappointment" in a recent tweet? In fact, there was a series of very critical tweets about Barr.

Trump reality is "alternative" just like his facts, remember?

Stacyhs 14th December 2020 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13323561)
True, but is that a positive or a negative to the Bidens? Now that China Joe is back in high office his name has power and influence to sell, but will his junkie son and brother be brave enough to cash in on it?

Will the "big guy" still get his 10% cut if they do?

Don't you have a rally to attend? Or a check to write to the Election Defense Fund? I heard a rumor that there was a laptop in a junk yard with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it somewhere in Hodunk, Idaho. Or in the upper Peninsula area of Michigan. You might want to check them out.

dudalb 14th December 2020 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13326635)
Don't you have a rally to attend? Or a check to write to the Election Defense Fund? I heard a rumor that there was a laptop in a junk yard with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it somewhere in Hodunk, Idaho. Or in the upper Peninsula area of Michigan. You might want to check them out.

A Trump fanboy accuses Biden of using the power of the Presidency to line his families pocket.
Another Irony Meter blown all to hell.
When he has anything other than B.S. Name calling on the table, I will take him seriously.

Skeptic Ginger 15th December 2020 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13326498)
What meeting?

The meeting where soldier Barr jumped ship and tried to rehabilitate his name by pretending no one noticed.

Firestone 15th December 2020 12:36 AM

Good point from Adam Serwer: "The irony of Bill Barr, an executive power fanatic exclusively where Republican presidents are concerned, is that he treated Biden more fairly than Comey treated Clinton, because he cared less what the GOP thought of him."

The Great Zaganza 15th December 2020 01:19 AM

I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second.

Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases.
Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction.
The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to.

I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent.
And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about.

no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself.

dirtywick 15th December 2020 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13326710)
I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second.

Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases.
Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction.
The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to.

I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent.
And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about.

no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself.

I don't know. I feel like that if Barr had aided Trump like he requested and he won, there's nothing the Dems could have done about it. I think if he had cooperated, the prospect of Trump hanging something like that over his head for the next four years forcing him under his thumb is more likely to have factored into it.

I think it's pretty obvious that Trump is the last guy you'd want to have some dirt on you. Tampering in elections is a huge pile of dirt.

I believe that whatever reason Barr chose to defy Trump, and I'm not really sure exactly what reasons those were since there could be several, it was a selfish one.

Firestone 15th December 2020 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13326710)
I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second.

Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases.
Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction.
The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to.

I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent.
And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about.

no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself.

I agree with most of this.

Nobody (in his right mind) claims that Barr did anything out of the goodness of his heart, or because he has such a deep respect for the rule of law, fairness, etc ...

The net result is the same. What Comey did (even if he thinks that his motives were valid) did great harm to Hillary Clinton, most probably was enough to flip the election to Trump.

If the investigations involving Hunter Biden had been made public by the DOJ before the election, there is no way to know what impact it would have had.
It would have been a bigger story than the laptops thing.
By not doing this, it forced the team of geniuses around Giuliani to go with the grotesque Hunter Biden laptops story (or stories, I've lost track). That didn't get any traction, because too ridiculous.

Of course we can't rewrite history and check these hypothesis, but we know that Comey harmed Clinton, while Barr (for whatever reason) didn't harm Biden in October.

He doesn't get any prize for this, that's for sure.

Mader Levap 15th December 2020 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13326678)
A Trump fanboy accuses Biden of using the power of the Presidency to line his families pocket.

This is just standard propaganda stuff - accuse your political opponent of stuff that you do.

dudalb 15th December 2020 11:58 AM

Barr is just the biggest rat yet to abandon the sinking ship.
But that letter was truly vomit inducing.

Squeegee Beckenheim 15th December 2020 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13326458)
Back to
the town of Bedrock . . .

Wrong franchise:

https://i.imgur.com/xs8DnPO.jpg

Segnosaur 22nd December 2020 08:39 AM

Barr does more to rebuke Trump on his way out the door...

From: CNN
Attorney General William Barr on Monday rejected several of President Donald Trump's inflammatory and unfounded statements regarding the presidential election, saying at a news conference that he doesn't plan to appoint a special counsel to investigate President-elect Joe Biden's son Hunter or the election.
...
On the SolarWinds cyber attack..., Barr said, "It certainly appears to be the Russians."...
Trump over the weekend downplayed the massive cyberattack on US federal government agencies and contradicted Pompeo's statement, saying without evidence that the attack may have come from China.


Not that I think Barr should be congratulated for this. He has enabled the worst of Trump's excesses for the past year or 2, and the fact that he is now doing the bare minimum that his job requires in one or 2 areas doesn't make up for that.

gnome 22nd December 2020 08:43 AM

Well, Trump's right. It might have come from China. But let's focus on where it DID come from, shall we?

The Great Zaganza 22nd December 2020 09:02 AM

Barr wants to establish himself as the new rational center of the GOP.

Captain_Swoop 23rd December 2020 03:33 AM

I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.

Skeptic Ginger 23rd December 2020 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13334337)
Barr does more to rebuke Trump on his way out the door...

From: CNN
Attorney General William Barr on Monday rejected several of President Donald Trump's inflammatory and unfounded statements regarding the presidential election, saying at a news conference that he doesn't plan to appoint a special counsel to investigate President-elect Joe Biden's son Hunter or the election.
...
On the SolarWinds cyber attack..., Barr said, "It certainly appears to be the Russians."...
Trump over the weekend downplayed the massive cyberattack on US federal government agencies and contradicted Pompeo's statement, saying without evidence that the attack may have come from China.


Not that I think Barr should be congratulated for this. He has enabled the worst of Trump's excesses for the past year or 2, and the fact that he is now doing the bare minimum that his job requires in one or 2 areas doesn't make up for that.

It's like the cat in the hat trying to get rid of the pink bathtub ring. You try to get it off but it just keeps smearing.

Babbylonian 23rd December 2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13335907)
It's like the cat in the hat trying to get rid of the pink bathtub ring. You try to get it off but it just keeps smearing.

I'd suggest a gastroenterologist.

Stacyhs 23rd December 2020 07:40 PM

I wonder if Barr is beginning to regret taking the job....

dirtywick 23rd December 2020 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13335178)
I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.

I think this is correct. Iím sure the Stone pardon in particular bothered him.

And perhaps some of the ones still coming.

The Great Zaganza 23rd December 2020 10:33 PM

Barr, more than anyone else, worked to give Trump the legal space to do what he is doing now.
He bought the gasoline and lighters for Trump, but is leaving now because he doesn't want anything to do with the arson that's about to happen.

Firestone 24th December 2020 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13335178)
I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.

Agree.

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13336018)
I wonder if Barr is beginning to regret taking the job....

Nah, he's proud of all the mischief he's done.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13336143)
Barr, more than anyone else, worked to give Trump the legal space to do what he is doing now.
He bought the gasoline and lighters for Trump, but is leaving now because he doesn't want anything to do with the arson that's about to happen.

I wonder if the "Special Counsel for Fraud", (or should that be "sPeCiAl CoUnSeL FoR fRaUd?"), wasn't another thing he'd rather left to others.

Beelzebuddy 24th December 2020 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 13336223)
or should that be "sPeCiAl CoUnSeL FoR fRaUd?"

It should not. Hate when people do that.

Horatius 24th December 2020 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13335178)
I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.



This whole month has been so full of crazy, that yesterday I realized I had completely forgotten about Barr quitting. It just vanished into the maelstrom of stupid.....

Bogative 18th March 2022 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13274852)
If enough laptops emerge, statistically one of them may be Hunter Biden's, just as it may be your discarded unit.

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Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 13274977)
As I said before, I don't even bother to have a laptop 'repaired" and I'm not a millionaire. I have a problem with a laptop I get it replaced. Any critical data is backed up. If there were critical data he needed to get off it, he wouldn't have abandoned it.
None of this passes the laugh test.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13275085)
Hunter Biden has as many ex-laptops as Trump has ex-wives.
Hunter Biden goes through laptops like Trump goes through bankruptcies.
Hunter Biden's laptops last as long as a Director of Communications in the Trump administration.
Hunter Biden's laptops are as disposable as attendees at a Trump rally.

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13275154)
I think Bogative, Bubba, and Tahini should, like Jack Dawson in Titanic, know when to stop clinging to the floating debris and just let go. They're only prolonging their own suffering.

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Originally Posted by eerok (Post 13275482)

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13277282)
Breaking news, Don Jr's laptop has been discovered on a local park bench. No word on how many photos of him snorting coke are on it yet. https://target.scene7.com/is/image/T...lt=80&fmt=webp

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13277777)
Hmmmm there's a giant pile of old laptops here at work.

I wonder how many of them are Hunter Biden's?

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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum (Post 13278100)
Next, on Antique Road Show: "Now what we have here is actually an authentic, original, Hunter Biden laptop. Only 5 of these were ever made."

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Originally Posted by kookbreaker (Post 13278311)
"So I parked my car in a not-so great neighborhood. I walked a couple of blocks away and realized "Oh crap! I left my Hunter Biden laptop sitting out open on the front seat!

I turned around and raced back to my car hoping I'd make it before anyone saw it out!

When I got back to my car, what did I find? Two more Hunter Biden laptops in the back seat!"

/oldjoke

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Originally Posted by dmaker (Post 13278400)
My dishwasher stopped working yesterday. Repair person came today and found that it was clogged with a Hunter Biden laptop. I thought the exterminator had gotten rid of them all last week. Sheesh.

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Originally Posted by Checkmite (Post 13278468)
This is the city: Los Angeles, California. Nearly three million Hunter Biden laptops have been found here...

↑clown world↑
↓real world↓

New York Times confirms it was Hunter Biden's laptop.

How could so many "skeptics" be fooled so easily? They wanted to be.

plague311 18th March 2022 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13760199)
↑clown world↑
↓real world↓

New York Times confirms it was Hunter Biden's laptop.

How could so many "skeptics" be fooled so easily? They wanted to be.

Why didn't you link to the New York Times? Why did you link to the New York post?

mgidm86 18th March 2022 01:31 PM

Oh boy the laptop again. I personally do not care about any of this, especially in light of what we know about Trump, his recklessness, and his corruptness.

The fact that Trump placed members of his own family in key advisory positions with zero experience dwarfs anything Hunter may have done, not to mention the hundreds of other major issues with Trump.

Trump tried to lie and cheat his way back into office, and because of that (and other reasons), anything that was done to keep him out is fine by me.

In one corner we have...

- attempt to steal an election
- being Putin's puppet
- Bannon, Giuliani, McConnell, and let's see...how many of Trump's goons were convicted of crimes?
- flushed documents, boxes of documents at Mar a Lago, coup attempt (directing Pence to squash the election).
- an old guy who can't read
- an endless list of grievances

And in the other corner we have....
- Hunters laptop (whatever that even implies)
- an old guy who correctly thinks Putin is the bad guy

I don't give a **** what kept Trump out of office, I truly don't. This is not really a good way to look at it, obviously, but it's what I've been forced into.

You want me to give a **** about playing by the rules? As soon as these ******** are gone I will consider it. Until then, **** you.


ETA: I'm really pissed off with this ******** today so I'm going fishing. You (you know who) and Tucker Carlson can go suck each other's dicks.


ETA2: Anybody, ANYBODY who brings up Hunter's laptop or any of these petty issues obviously has a hard-on for Trump, and anyone who still feels this way, that Trump should still be president, is a sick traitorous **** and that is how I will treat them from now on.

Skeptic Ginger 18th March 2022 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgidm86 (Post 13760304)
...
- Bannon, Giuliani, McConnell, and let's see...how many of Trump's goons were convicted of crimes?
...

So quickly they fade from view.

Flynn, Arpaio, Dinesh D'Souza, Manafort, Micheal Milken, Papadopoulos, Stone, Charles Kushner, and a bajillion other mostly white collar criminals who Dump either knew, had business with, paid him off, or who Dump identified with (meaning they committed crimes Dump himself also committed).

You listed McConnell. How about McCarthy, Jordan, Gaetz, Nunes, and a bunch of other GOP legislators who voted against impeaching Dump.

Then there are all the GOP leaders and state legislators who are party to Dump's big lie about the stolen election and who are trying to suppress certain groups from voting in 2022 and 2024..

Bogative 18th March 2022 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plague311 (Post 13760201)
Why didn't you link to the New York Times? Why did you link to the New York post?

I didn't want to give any clicks to the left-wing rag who denied, downplayed and largely ignored the story, and direct clicks to the New York Post who accurately broke it.

Bogative 18th March 2022 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mgidm86 (Post 13760304)
Oh boy the laptop again. I personally do not care about any of this, especially in light of what we know about Trump, his recklessness, and his corruptness...

Nice rant with some ad hominems and homophobia mixed in. The "traitorous" part was my favorite.:thumbsup:

Bogative 18th March 2022 03:34 PM

[Chris Farley Show voice] Remember that time when 50 retired senior "intelligence officials" tried to convince the world that a disabled computer repair man was actually a foreign intelligence operative/dupe to help get potato brain Biden elected president? Yeah, that was awesome.[/Chris Farley Show voice]

Dr. Keith 18th March 2022 04:01 PM

I didn’t click on the link; is Trump now the president?

Stacyhs 18th March 2022 04:18 PM

So they've identified it as belonging to Hunter. So what? Come back when they've shown he was involved in whatever the Trump cultists claim he is. Even more importantly, come back when it's been proved that Pres. Biden had anything to do with or knowledge of anything on that laptop. Until then, Trump cultists can climb right back up his colon and take a nice long sniff.

varwoche 18th March 2022 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13760412)
So they've identified it as belonging to Hunter. So what? Come back when they've shown he was involved in whatever the Trump cultists claim he is. Even more importantly, come back when it's been proved that Pres. Biden had anything to do with or knowledge of anything on that laptop. Until then, Trump cultists can climb right back up his colon and take a nice long sniff.

That's like wishing the briar patch on Br'er Rabbit.

Stacyhs 18th March 2022 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13760441)
That's like wishing the briar patch on Br'er Rabbit.

I stand corrected.

dasmiller 18th March 2022 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13760412)
So they've identified it as belonging to Hunter. So what? Come back when they've shown he was involved in whatever the Trump cultists claim he is. Even more importantly, come back when it's been proved that Pres. Biden had anything to do with or knowledge of anything on that laptop. Until then, Trump cultists can climb right back up his colon and take a nice long sniff.

They . . . umm . . .

I have an old email account that the Republican Party sends things to. When I opened it today:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=13063

what . . . what is he suggesting?


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