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Carrot Flower King 7th November 2020 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13284765)
A revolt within his own party,perhaps?

The Tories? I'm shocked at the very idea, shocked, I tell you!

zooterkin 7th November 2020 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13284765)
A revolt within his own party,perhaps?

Almost certainly. He's in no danger from a general election for the next four years. Look at what happened to Maggie (spit) when she lost popular support, despite having won a landslide election victory three years earlier.

dudalb 7th November 2020 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13285382)
Almost certainly. He's in no danger from a general election for the next four years. Look at what happened to Maggie (spit) when she lost popular support, despite having won a landslide election victory three years earlier.

And it's nosecret that lot of Tories have a huge dislike for Johnson.

Carrot Flower King 7th November 2020 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13285583)
And it's nosecret that lot of Tories have a huge dislike for Johnson.

But were still stupid/cynical/misguided/spineless/clueless/sheeplike/grovelling to vote for someone who has long been a serial liar, has never actually achieved anything of substance (getting elected to office and then not doing anything with that office is not of substance), has long shifted opinion with the wind as long as it benefitted his own ego...

Who and what did they think they were electing?

Garrison 7th November 2020 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13285630)
But were still stupid/cynical/misguided/spineless/clueless/sheeplike/grovelling to vote for someone who has long been a serial liar, has never actually achieved anything of substance (getting elected to office and then not doing anything with that office is not of substance), has long shifted opinion with the wind as long as it benefitted his own ego...

Who and what did they think they were electing?

A sucker who would take the blame when Brexit negotiations end in failure?

Carrot Flower King 7th November 2020 10:36 AM

^That's a better explanation than any I can think of, but doesn't explain why my MP, a serious hard Brexiteer, supported him, 'cos she really, really, really wants Brexit.

Darat 8th November 2020 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13285630)
But were still stupid/cynical/misguided/spineless/clueless/sheeplike/grovelling to vote for someone who has long been a serial liar, has never actually achieved anything of substance (getting elected to office and then not doing anything with that office is not of substance), has long shifted opinion with the wind as long as it benefitted his own ego...

Who and what did they think they were electing?

He got rid of bendy buses!

Mojo 8th November 2020 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13286421)
He got rid of bendy buses!


And replaced them with Borisbuses that have pretty much all the same faults and then some.

Captain_Swoop 8th November 2020 03:26 AM

Bendy busses are great, they use them in York for the Park and Ride.

Captain_Swoop 8th November 2020 03:35 AM

Raab on Sky News spends two minutes not saying all votes should be counted in a democratic election.

Video in link.

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/statu...75795142025222

Garrison 8th November 2020 06:58 AM

And of course they have backtracked, again, over providing meals for children:

Marcus Rashford welcomes school holiday support climbdown

The Don 8th November 2020 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrison (Post 13286554)
And of course they have backtracked, again, over providing meals for children:

Marcus Rashford welcomes school holiday support climbdown

Welcome to government by headline :mad:

It's the right decision but the wrong process.

Garrison 8th November 2020 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13286873)
Welcome to government by headline :mad:

It's the right decision but the wrong process.

Still 50% better than Brexit...

Darat 8th November 2020 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrison (Post 13286554)
And of course they have backtracked, again, over providing meals for children:

Marcus Rashford welcomes school holiday support climbdown

Hang on you mean they agree that their previous policy to let children go hungry was wrong....

catsmate 9th November 2020 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13287046)
Hang on you mean they agree that their previous policy to let children go hungry was wrong....

No, just unpopular.

P.J. Denyer 9th November 2020 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13287463)
No, just unpopular.

Imagine the kind of people you must have to associate with for that to come as a surprise?

ponderingturtle 9th November 2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13285654)
^That's a better explanation than any I can think of, but doesn't explain why my MP, a serious hard Brexiteer, supported him, 'cos she really, really, really wants Brexit.

But Boris will deliver the no deal brexit she wants, and take the blame for it. Win win really to any sufficiently cynical brexiteer.

Carrot Flower King 10th November 2020 03:55 AM

^Good point, I just don't think she's actually bright enough though, unless it's a cunning disguise....

Darat 10th November 2020 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13289071)
^Good point, I just don't think she's actually bright enough though, unless it's a cunning disguise....

Sadly part of his "appeal" is the still significant remnants of our class system.

catsmate 10th November 2020 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13287805)
Imagine the kind of people you must have to associate with for that to come as a surprise?

I've met some of them.

P.J. Denyer 11th November 2020 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13289854)
I've met some of them.

My condolences.

Carrot Flower King 11th November 2020 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13289080)
Sadly part of his "appeal" is the still significant remnants of our class system.

Too true.

Mind, my MP has tried to hide her privileged background (married to minor local aristocracy and living in a manor house) by describing herself on election material as a "farmer's wife". Strictly speaking this might be seen as true, but the "farm" is not anything like the ones most hill farmers of northern Northumberland survive on...

And, as I've mentioned before, that other "public" school product, Cummings, D, went to the school in Durham City that wealthier folk sent their bairns who weren't clever enough to get into either of the 2 very good state grammar schools (one of which I attended).

Beats me why anyone is convinced by these characters...

gypsyjackson 11th November 2020 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13290592)
Too true.

Mind, my MP has tried to hide her privileged background (married to minor local aristocracy and living in a manor house) by describing herself on election material as a "farmer's wife". Strictly speaking this might be seen as true, but the "farm" is not anything like the ones most hill farmers of northern Northumberland survive on...

And, as I've mentioned before, that other "public" school product, Cummings, D, went to the school in Durham City that wealthier folk sent their bairns who weren't clever enough to get into either of the 2 very good state grammar schools (one of which I attended).

Beats me why anyone is convinced by these characters...

Anne Marie Trevelyan? I wondered if she would get education secretary when FCO and DFID were merged, as there was speculation that would trigger a reshuffle. In the end it didn’t, and she now doesn’t have a Ministerial post.

Captain_Swoop 11th November 2020 09:29 AM

I didn’t know partners of PMs had a say on government. But then again as both Dido Harding and Kate Bingham are given lucrative contracts due to being married to members of the government, it should come as no surprise.
And they laugh as they get away with it all - and it's our money, money every working person on these islands has paid in taxes. What a gravy train it is.
This has always been a corrupt country - from the days of the rotten boroughs and the purchasing of positions to the Profumo Affair and the Expenses Scandal - but today the corruption is about as blatant as it has ever been. The same elite screwing us as ever - but with a smirk.

Captain_Swoop 11th November 2020 09:30 AM

Jake Berry prompted a backlash from the Northern Ballet after he suggested Accrington Stanley was the northern equivalent of the Royal Opera House

Jake Berry said opera and ballet was “at the heart of their culture for people living in southern England,” but in the north “it is our local football club”.
The Rossendale and Darwen MP even suggested Accrington Stanley was the northern equivalent of the Royal Opera House.
The former Northern Powerhouse minister made the point in a Commons debate demanding action to protect football clubs.

But his comments led to a furious backlash from the Northern Ballet, which tweeted: “We are disappointed that an MP and former government minister continues to perpetuate tropes that culture in the north is of less value than that in London.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...rners-22994543

Captain_Swoop 11th November 2020 02:55 PM

I see Croydon Council has issued a section 114 notice, effectively going bankrupt.
Central government funding to Croydon has reduced by 50% since 2010.
But it's a mystery what has caused this, of course.

Darat 12th November 2020 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13291414)
I see Croydon Council has issued a section 114 notice, effectively going bankrupt.
Central government funding to Croydon has reduced by 50% since 2010.
But it's a mystery what has caused this, of course.

No mystery, it's Labour's fault for the USA economic crash of 2008.

Squeegee Beckenheim 12th November 2020 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13290866)
I didn’t know partners of PMs had a say on government. But then again as both Dido Harding and Kate Bingham are given lucrative contracts due to being married to members of the government, it should come as no surprise.
And they laugh as they get away with it all - and it's our money, money every working person on these islands has paid in taxes. What a gravy train it is.
This has always been a corrupt country - from the days of the rotten boroughs and the purchasing of positions to the Profumo Affair and the Expenses Scandal - but today the corruption is about as blatant as it has ever been. The same elite screwing us as ever - but with a smirk.

You should probably make it clear that this is a quote from someone on twitter, and that they're responding to news that Carrie Symonds was responsible for Lee Cain leaving No. 10.

Squeegee Beckenheim 12th November 2020 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13291414)
I see Croydon Council has issued a section 114 notice, effectively going bankrupt.
Central government funding to Croydon has reduced by 50% since 2010.
But it's a mystery what has caused this, of course.

Here's the source of this quote

Squeegee Beckenheim 12th November 2020 03:17 AM

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/...44506075279366

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Westminster is hugely febrile tonight. A Conservative MP phones to say there is a "massive bust up going on in Number 10" right now between Dominic Cummings and the PM. The MP says Mr Cummings has told the PM "if I go am taking these people with me", referring to other aides.

Senior Tory MPs are urging Mr Johnson to appoint David Canzini, a close ally of Sir Lynton Crosby who helped to run Mr Johnson's leadership campaign, to the role of chief of staff. One MP tells me: "We can get the old Boris back."

Tolls 12th November 2020 04:06 AM

Woohoo..."the old Boris"...after all, he was a massive improvement on this current one.
No similarity between them at all.
No....nope...none at all.

Captain_Swoop 12th November 2020 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13292049)
You should probably make it clear that this is a quote from someone on twitter, and that they're responding to news that Carrie Symonds was responsible for Lee Cain leaving No. 10.

It's all the same ****.
Everything coming out of no 10 is blurring in to one huge pile of grey sludge.

they aren't even pretending anymore.

What difference will Cain leaving and another gangster replacing him make?

Squeegee Beckenheim 12th November 2020 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13292118)
It's all the same ****.
Everything coming out of no 10 is blurring in to one huge pile of grey sludge.

they aren't even pretending anymore.

What difference will Cain leaving and another gangster replacing him make?

I have no idea. But without the context of what the person you were quoting without attribution was talking about, your quote was just a non-sequitur.

Carrot Flower King 12th November 2020 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tolls (Post 13292083)
Woohoo..."the old Boris"...after all, he was a massive improvement on this current one.
No similarity between them at all.
No....nope...none at all.

The old one who was sacked for lying several times?

The old one who can't count how many children he has?

The old one who was going to arrange for a fellow journalist to be beaten up?

The old one who thinks a quarter of a million pounds a year for scribbling some manure of the bovine for the Telegraph is chicken feed? (Man, swap jobs - when I had one - with me and do some OD assessments or my sister and look after terminally ill folk, and then live on a nurse's salary, even our respective Band 7 ones, you idle, useless excuse for a human!)

Captain_Swoop 12th November 2020 05:04 PM

Dominic Cummings to leave Downing Street by Christmas

Boris Johnson's senior adviser Dominic Cummings is expected to leave his position by the end of the year.

Mr Cummings told the BBC "rumours of me threatening to resign are invented", after speculation this week.

But he added that his "position hasn't changed since my January blog" when he said that he wanted to make himself "largely redundant" by the end of 2020.

And a senior Downing Street source said that Mr Cummings would be "out of government" by Christmas.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54925322

Tolls 13th November 2020 01:39 AM

That would be Laura's "senior Downing Street source", which means Dom...so he was talking about himself.

Squeegee Beckenheim 13th November 2020 01:41 AM

I was just coming to post that article. The most gobsmacking part of it for me:

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A No 10 insider told me Mr Cummings "jumped because otherwise he would be pushed soon", suggesting that, in the last few days, the prime minister saw that the former Vote Leave team was just "in it for themselves".
Johnson has just realised that Tories act like Tories. Congratulations, I suppose?

What is the betting now that Cummings cosies up to Gove and tries to bring Johnson down? It's been rumoured that Gove is Cummings' preferred PM and that Johnson was just a placeholder along the way.

Darat 13th November 2020 01:45 AM

Hang on you mean he won’t be around to advise how we can deal with the aftermath of Brexit... as those nasty EUers would say in their lingua franca - quelle surprise!

Captain_Swoop 13th November 2020 03:16 AM

Another Brexiteer ******* off before the difficult bit.

Darat 13th November 2020 10:12 AM

Cummings has left the building according to his spokesperson Laura Kuenssberg - Cummings to leave No 10 with immediate effect https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54938050

zooterkin 13th November 2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13293660)
Cummings has left the building according to his spokesperson Laura Kuenssberg - Cummings to leave No 10 with immediate effect https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54938050

Carrying out the boxes.
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P.J. Denyer 13th November 2020 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13293710)
Carrying out the boxes.
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A bit slower than last time..

Lothian 13th November 2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13293890)
A bit slower than last time..

It is normal to have a film crew there camera's running or did Carrie tip them off?

zooterkin 13th November 2020 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13293903)
It is normal to have a film crew there camera's running or did Carrie tip them off?

And why did he go out the front way, and not the back?

Slightly odd, he's apparently not stepping down, just not actually going into Downing Street, though he might be on gardening leave in practice.

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Cummings and Cain will continue to work for Downing Street until mid-December, with one source saying Cummings would be “working from home for six weeks”.

a_unique_person 13th November 2020 04:23 PM

https://www.theage.com.au/world/euro...6ejr.html?btis

An outsider's view. Boris's partner was part of the push.

a_unique_person 14th November 2020 05:28 AM

Cummings was sacked, and his mate.

Darat 14th November 2020 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 13294705)
Cummings was sacked, and his mate.

In the end he did that non-comfortable class thing, thought Johnson would show loyalty and consideration; forget that they only understand loyalty as a one way tool to use others for their own gain.

Squeegee Beckenheim 14th November 2020 07:03 AM

I wonder if Johnson now regrets not sacking him after the eye test?

a_unique_person 15th November 2020 02:30 AM

If Trump didn't hog the news all the time this would be big. Boris is completely adrift. He wanted someone like Dom to tell him everything to do and tie his shoe laces for him in the morning.

a_unique_person 15th November 2020 03:33 AM

What did Dom actually do wrong, though? Boris agreed with all his advice.


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