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Distracted1 26th February 2021 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13410328)
For someone who is putting so much effort into defending Greene's position, you seem remarkably ignorant of that position. She's done more than just put up a sign that gets the science wrong.

The only discussion I have partaken in thus far regarding Ms. Greene is the incident linked to regarding the trolling of her by another Rep., and the resultant hyperbole and bias it entailed.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13410331)
Is there a reason you are not being honest about what the sign said?

It also said "trust the science". The horror!

Hevneren 26th February 2021 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy (Post 13410325)
It's completely refuted by actual facts. There aren't even strictly two sexes in humans.

I'm afraid you'll need to provide some evidence for this.

Dr. Keith 26th February 2021 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410335)
It also said "trust the science". The horror!

It's just odd that you felt the need to lie. Weird.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13410342)
It's just odd that you felt the need to lie. Weird.

"Weird" is a grown person (of which I am assuming you are)who doesn't know what a "lie" is.

wareyin 26th February 2021 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410333)
The only discussion I have partaken in thus far regarding Ms. Greene is the incident linked to regarding the trolling of her by another Rep., and the resultant hyperbole and bias it entailed.

And yet you are ignorant of Ms. Greene's actions in this incident. Of course you must be ignorant, because there is no way you would be disingenuously pretending her actions prior to the hanging of the trans flag* were not part of the incident.





*(remember, this means a flag representing support for transgender people and their rights, not a flag that has a gender. I know this was difficult for you before)

Distracted1 26th February 2021 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13410365)
And yet you are ignorant of Ms. Greene's actions in this incident. Of course you must be ignorant, because there is no way you would be disingenuously pretending her actions prior to the hanging of the trans flag* were not part of the incident.





*(remember, this means a flag representing support for transgender people and their rights, not a flag that has a gender. I know this was difficult for you before)

Was one of her actions prior to the incident calling out and trolling her office mate?

RecoveringYuppy 26th February 2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hevneren (Post 13410336)
I'm afraid you'll need to provide some evidence for this.

Would you mind telling me why you need evidence? Can you take an educated guess as to what I'm talking about please.

wareyin 26th February 2021 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410373)
Was one of her actions prior to the incident calling out and trolling her office mate?

Why don't you look it up? There's no shortage of reporting on her anti-trans statements and actions going back at least 2 year's.

smartcooky 26th February 2021 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410373)
Was one of her actions prior to the incident calling out and trolling her office mate?

Its not limited to that, and it not the first time she has made vile comments about LGBTQ people

When you make a point of publicly attacking transgender people when you KNOW that an opponent is transgender, or that they have transgender family, you ARE trolling that person whether you think you are or not.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13410383)
Its not limited to that, and it not the first time she has made vile comments about LGBTQ people

When you make a point of publicly attacking transgender people when you KNOW that an opponent is transgender, or that they have transgender family, you ARE trolling that person whether you think you are or not.

What is not the first time?
What "vile comment" about LGBTQ people has she made?

The post I joined this thread responding to claimed that the "there are two genders....respect the science" sign she put up in response to trolling from her office-mate was "the worst thing she has ever done", that doesn't indicate much of a history of "vileness".

ETAmend: the post did not claim it was the "worst" thing she had done. It claimed it was the "most disgusting"

Resume 26th February 2021 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410392)
What is not the first time?
What "vile comment" about LGBTQ people has she made?

All of this stupidity as one example.

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Conspiracy theorist and member of Congress Marjorie Taylor Green (R-GA) has called landmark LGBTQ rights legislation the Equality Act “evil” and “a direct attack on God’s creation.”

Earlier this week, the anti-LGBTQ far-right Republican took to Twitter to declare that the Equality Act was an attack on women’s rights and the rights of religious individuals.

“The so-called #EqualityAct is evil,” Taylor Greene tweeted. “Disguised as #LGBT rights, it expands governmental regulatory reach that destroys women’s rights, religious rights, and rights of the unborn. It is a direct attack on God’s creation, He created us male and female.”

Citing a transphobic column in the New York Post by the president of the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center, Greene claimed that protecting transgender people against discrimination would mean women “no longer have the right to privacy in their bathrooms, locker rooms, playing fields, and even TSA pat downs if a male TSA agent ‘identifies’ as a woman.”

She added: “Men who dress and think they are women will have rights over all real girls and women.”

Greene also claimed that doctors who perform mastectomies “in the case of breast cancer” would also have to “perform one on the teenage girl identifying as a boy. All in the name of equality.”

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Greene said, in block capitals no less, that she would “BE VOTING NO TO THE DISGUSTING, IMMORAL, AND EVIL #EqualityAct!!!”

“It has nothing to do with stopping discrimination against the LGBT community, that could be done easily without this,” she concluded. “It has everything to do with attacking God & believers.”

Greene is no stranger to anti-LGBTQ sentiment. She has previously protested a Drag Queen Story Time event in Georgia and claimed it was “brainwashing” children, liked the anti-LGBTQ group MassResistance on Facebook, and wrote on her social media, “Trans does not mean gender change, it just means a gender refusal and gender pretending! Truth is truth, it is not a choice!!!”

Steve 26th February 2021 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410310)
By "her position" are you asking about the sign she put up which read simply "There are two genders, Male and Female" ?

You don't find that a supportable position?

Your refusal to answer my questions is all the answer I need. It is more than a little odd that you are so are so ashamed of your agreement with Greene's bigotry that you cannot admit it.

You have misquoted the sign, But no, I do not find that a supportable position. It is totally and intentionally wrong, and completely ignorant of the facts.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 13410400)
Your refusal to answer my questions is all the answer I need. It is more than a little odd that you are so are so ashamed of your agreement with Greene's bigotry that you cannot admit it.

You have misquoted the sign, But no, I do not find that a supportable position. It is totally and intentionally wrong, and completely ignorant of the facts.

Your question?
What question?
The one where you asked if I found "her positions" supportable without spelling out which position you were asking about?

Distracted1 26th February 2021 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13410396)

Which of those qualifies as a "vile" comment about an LGBTQ person?

Resume 26th February 2021 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410417)
Which of those qualifies as a "vile" comment about an LGBTQ person?

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“Trans does not mean gender change, it just means a gender refusal and gender pretending!
As one example.

MTG is neither a psychologist nor a gender researcher; she is a cement-headed bigot who is attempting to legislate her bigotry against the LGBTQ community.

Steve 26th February 2021 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410415)
Your question?
What question?
The one where you asked if I found "her positions" supportable without spelling out which position you were asking about?

Sorry that you have so much difficulty following a simple discussion. As I said, your refusal to answer my questions is all the answer I need. Your support of Greene's bigotry is not in doubt.

newyorkguy 26th February 2021 06:18 PM

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Greene tweeted about the Equality Act
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“It has nothing to do with stopping discrimination against the LGBT community, that could be done easily without this,” she concluded. “It has everything to do with attacking God & believers.”
Discrimination against LGBT people could be ended "easily?" Okay I'll ask: How? And I hope the answer isn't, discrimination against LGBT people could be ended easily if they'd just stop being LGBT.

As for Marj, she shore is a red-blooded American gal!

Marj gropes trump cutout at rally

My ex-boss was right. You can't make this stuff up! :eek:

Distracted1 26th February 2021 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13410424)
As one example.

MTG is neither a psychologist nor a gender researcher; she is a cement-headed bigot who is attempting to legislate her bigotry against the LGBTQ community.

What anti trans legislation has she proposed?

Resume 26th February 2021 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410507)
What anti trans legislation has she proposed?

Opposition to legislation promoting LBGTQ rights by a bigot amounts to the same thing. Voting no to a bill is still legislating, doancha know.

Especially from this bigoted hypocrite who pisses and moans
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BE VOTING NO TO THE DISGUSTING, IMMORAL, AND EVIL #EqualityAct!!!

RecoveringYuppy 26th February 2021 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410507)
What anti trans legislation has she proposed?


https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...flags-n1256796

Distracted1 26th February 2021 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy (Post 13410523)

From the link:

"The only flag Greene specifically called out in her statement backing the flag legislation was the Black Lives Matter flag. She slammed “past, rogue members of the State Department” for flying “the flag of the radical Marxist group, Black Lives Matter.”


Seems it actually bans any flag other than the American one at American embassies.

Weak-sauce if it is supposed to be an example of "anti-trans" legislation.

RecoveringYuppy 26th February 2021 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410526)
From the link:

The only flag Greene specifically called out in her statement backing the flag legislation was the Black Lives Matter flag. She slammed “past, rogue members of the State Department” for flying “the flag of the radical Marxist group, Black Lives Matter.”

Seems it actually bans any flag other than the American one at American embassies.

Weak-sauce if it is supposed to be an example of "anti-trans" legislation.

And the other parts of that link??

Matthew Best 26th February 2021 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy (Post 13410528)
And the other parts of that link??

Greene insisted she isn’t playing politics, adding, “this is about Patriotism, and we need more of it.”

She's wrong - we need less of it.

Steve 26th February 2021 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Best (Post 13410533)
Greene insisted she isn’t playing politics, adding, “this is about Patriotism, and we need more of it.”

She's wrong - we need less of it.

Seems to be a common trait of American "patriots" to deny rights to people who are not exactly like them.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy (Post 13410528)
And the other parts of that link??

The second example is a bit better.
Seems she would propose legislation that bars men, and trans women (biological men), from participating in Women's sport. Certainly opposed to the trans agenda, and on that basis could be called anti-trans, yet it is not punitive towards the trans-gendered, nor does it deny them rights.

smartcooky 26th February 2021 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410310)
By "her position" are you asking about the sign she put up which read simply "There are two genders, Male and Female" ?

You don't find that a supportable position?

Nope, I don't! While there are two sexes, sex is not the same as gender.

Sex is a biological construct, a physiological state.

Gender is a social construct, a psychological state.

If her sign had said "There are two sexes, respect the science", I would not have much of an issue with it.

Resume 26th February 2021 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 13410537)
Seems to be a common trait of American "patriots" to deny rights to people who are not exactly like them.

It's Trump's humping of the flag. It's self-serving, pandering theater that plays with a certain segment of U.S. voters.

Minoosh 26th February 2021 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410539)
The second example is a bit better.
Seems she would propose legislation that bars men, and trans women (biological men), from participating in Women's sport. Certainly opposed to the trans agenda, and on that basis could be called anti-trans, yet it is not punitive towards the trans-gendered, nor does it deny them rights.

She is telling trans people they shouldn't exist. In fact she's saying they don't exist - they are mistaken. To me, that's a pretty hateful message.

Meanwhile she claims to know the mind of God.

Lurch 26th February 2021 10:42 PM

Well, wouldn't hermaphrodites possibly qualify as a third? They're at least something of a hybrid.

The Great Zaganza 26th February 2021 10:54 PM

two is just the lowest number at which sex works.
but many species have more than two sexes.

smartcooky 26th February 2021 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13410608)
Well, wouldn't hermaphrodites possibly qualify as a third? They're at least something of a hybrid.

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13410610)
two is just the lowest number at which sex works.
but many species have more than two sexes.

True and true, but lets not get tied up with edge cases - in confuses the issue.... and the idiots.

Stacyhs 27th February 2021 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13410489)

When you're a celebrity, they just let you do it! You can do anything!

Random 27th February 2021 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13410620)
True and true, but lets not get tied up with edge cases - in confuses the issue.... and the idiots.

But the edge cases give lie to the whole "there are only two genders" thing. She is trying to claim the backing of science, but the science doesn't actually back her.

Distracted1 27th February 2021 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13410582)
She is telling trans people they shouldn't exist. In fact she's saying they don't exist - they are mistaken. To me, that's a pretty hateful message.

Meanwhile she claims to know the mind of God.

She is saying no such thing. She is neither denying their existence- nor telling them they should not exist.

wareyin 27th February 2021 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410775)
She is saying no such thing. She is neither denying their existence- nor telling them they should not exist.

She literally says they're just pretending. It's been quoted on this page, but for those who get confused about basic things like flags being symbols this is probably too hard to keep track of.

BobTheCoward 27th February 2021 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13410794)
She literally says they're just pretending. It's been quoted on this page, but for those who get confused about basic things like flags being symbols this is probably too hard to keep track of.

But you don't cease to exist because you are pretending.

RecoveringYuppy 27th February 2021 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13410545)
Nope, I don't! While there are two sexes, sex is not the same as gender.

Sex is a biological construct, a physiological state.

Since Greene invoked science, it's important to point out what the science actually is.

I think it's important to drive the science home since she invoked science and the fundamentalist component of her supporters are working hard to confuse the science on this (and nearly every) issue. And there aren't just two human sexes. And there is just one way to be something other than strictly male or female. There is not even one way to be female or male biologically.

Even if you try a semantic trick of saying there are just two sexes but some people mix them that still contradicts what the right ring wants to believe.

And the Bible says the animals were created male and female and many believe that to be strictly true, but that isn't true either. Across nature there are creatures that are hermaphrodite all their life, sexless, all female species, species that change sex during their life, multiple sexes, some fungi even have hundreds of sexes.


And a brief interjection to this exchange:

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13410610)
two is just the lowest number at which sex works. but many species have more than two sexes.

Bacteria engage in plasmid exchange which serves one of the purposes of sex and they don't have sexes.

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13410608)
Well, wouldn't hermaphrodites possibly qualify as a third? They're at least something of a hybrid.

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13410620)
True and true, but lets not get tied up with edge cases - in confuses the issue.... and the idiots.


Distracted1 27th February 2021 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13410794)
She literally says they're just pretending. It's been quoted on this page, but for those who get confused about basic things like flags being symbols this is probably too hard to keep track of.

"pretending" is a reasonable interpretation of a man/woman behaving in such a way as to attempt to give the impression that they are a gender other than what they are.

"refusing" is also a reasonable description of someone insisting that they are a gender different from what they are.

These are not hateful, nor discriminotory descriptors. They represent an outlook that is opposed to the agenda pushed by many trans-folk, but they are hardly outside of mainstream ideology. One could argue that calling them "hateful" or "vile" is such a transparent attempt to mischaracterize the sentiments based upon an agenda, that those arguments are just as kooky as a "jewish space laser"

Steve 27th February 2021 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13410794)
She literally says they're just pretending. It's been quoted on this page, but for those who get confused about basic things like flags being symbols this is probably too hard to keep track of.

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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13410798)
But you don't cease to exist because you are pretending.

Who, in wareyin's post, is pretending?


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