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wareyin 4th March 2021 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13415952)
Non sequitur. Your reply is not related to the question - no one is making that claim. You, however, made the claim that the legislation being discussed said "for legal purposes, anyone who declares himself to be a Woman is one".

You're not getting off that easy. Since your claim was made as a statement of fact, and in quote marks, the only way to support that claim is to find that exact statement in the text of HR5. I will accept wording that means or implies the same thing.

If you can't find it, you need to withdraw your claim and admit you were wrong.

To be fair, i don't think he was saying it as a statement of fact, i think that was his transparently BS excuse as to how MTG could be against a bill for trans rights (she is) and not against trans rights (which requires ignoring her years long public history of being against trans rights).

Distracted1 is wrong, anyway, of course. Then again, a self proclaimed lifelong Democrat who spends so much time attacking Dems while defending MTG and Trump is almost always not going to be telling the truth about something.

smartcooky 4th March 2021 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13416170)
To be fair, i don't think he was saying it as a statement of fact, i think that was his transparently BS excuse as to how MTG could be against a bill for trans rights (she is) and not against trans rights (which requires ignoring her years long public history of being against trans rights).

Then maybe he ought to be more careful about what he claims is in a bill before the house/senate, because using quote marks when referring to the content of a document definitely implies it to b a direc,t word-for-word excerpt from that document.

Distracted1 5th March 2021 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13416383)
Then maybe he ought to be more careful about what he claims is in a bill before the house/senate, because using quote marks when referring to the content of a document definitely implies it to b a direc,t word-for-word excerpt from that document.

For being so hung up on the literal meaning of things, your reading comprehension is low.

Distracted1 5th March 2021 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13416170)
To be fair, i don't think he was saying it as a statement of fact, i think that was his transparently BS excuse as to how MTG could be against a bill for trans rights (she is) and not against trans rights (which requires ignoring her years long public history of being against trans rights).

Distracted1 is wrong, anyway, of course. Then again, a self proclaimed lifelong Democrat who spends so much time attacking Dems while defending MTG and Trump is almost always not going to be telling the truth about something.

There has been discussion of Trump in this thread?
Or is it simply tribal knee-jerk reaction that anyone pointing out faulty reasoning on one side of an issue automatically becomes the caricature of the person on the "other side" one prefers to argue against?

Oh, how we love to criticize the right for not policing its own bad logic- yet look at your reaction to a Democrat attempting to do just that.

wareyin 5th March 2021 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13416710)
There has been discussion of Trump in this thread?
Or is it simply tribal knee-jerk reaction that anyone pointing out faulty reasoning on one side of an issue automatically becomes the caricature of the person on the "other side" one prefers to argue against?

Oh, how we love to criticize the right for not policing its own bad logic- yet look at your reaction to a Democrat attempting to do just that.

No, the discussion where you defended Trump was in the CPAC thread. I hope that helps you.

newyorkguy 5th March 2021 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13416383)
Then maybe he ought to be more careful about what he claims is in a bill before the house/senate, because using quote marks when referring to the content of a document definitely implies it to b a direc,t word-for-word excerpt from that document.

'He' could, of course, explain what the quotation marks were meant to convey. Explain something like, 'No, I'm sorry if they were taken as direct quotes from the bill; they weren't. I was just being sarcastic.' But that would require a willingness to get down and discuss this with other posters, explain and defend his reasoning. Not just vent, which is all I see. Example:
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"...imply tribal knee-jerk reaction that anyone pointing out faulty reasoning..."

Ah, the internet. Don't you just love it? ;)

Dr. Keith 5th March 2021 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13416705)
For being so hung up on the literal meaning of things, your reading comprehension is low.

And you seem to be the Distracted1. Focus. Simple questions, easy answers. It is all in your hands.

Belz... 5th March 2021 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13412936)
dubalb is as patient as he is long-suffering.

*dudalb. :)

Distracted1 5th March 2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13416739)
'He' could, of course, explain what the quotation marks were meant to convey. Explain something like, 'No, I'm sorry if they were taken as direct quotes from the bill; they weren't. I was just being sarcastic.' But that would require a willingness to get down and discuss this with other posters, explain and defend his reasoning. Not just vent, which is all I see. Example:



Ah, the internet. Don't you just love it? ;)

Had the poster who demanded a specific response chosen to read the post thoroughly, the first thing he might have noticed was that it was referring to "a" piece of legislation.

They might then have taken the simple step of asking what the quotes were meant to convey in that context. Instead a demand for a response to their misinterpretation of the post was made, along with instructions for the exact form that that response needed to take.

I have no obligation to respond to such a demand, nor to educate the poster making the demands as to the various uses of quotation marks in casual written discourse.

ETA, and no, I feel no regret for using the terms "knee-jerk" and "tribal" in a thread where "Hateful", "Bigoted", and "disgusting" are being thrown around.

Distracted1 5th March 2021 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13416732)
No, the discussion where you defended Trump was in the CPAC thread. I hope that helps you.

You are welcome to link to, or name the number of, the post wherein that occurred, Or you could withdraw the "lie" (as we have taken to calling opinions that we disagree with of late).

wareyin 5th March 2021 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13416882)
You are welcome to link to, or name the number of, the post wherein that occurred, Or you could withdraw the "lie" (as we have taken to calling opinions that we disagree with of late).

You don't recall being extremely upset that people would describe those who literally built a golden statue of Trump as "worshipping" him? It was in that conversation that you claimed to be a lifelong registered Democrat despite your actions in this thread and that one. Ring a bell yet?


Eta: don't worry, long experience dealing with posters like 16.5/the big dog claiming to be Democrats as well despite constantly promoting and defending Republican people and positions while attacking and mocking every Democratic politician or policy made the shenanigans easy to spot.

smartcooky 5th March 2021 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13416875)
Had the poster who demanded a specific response chosen to read the post thoroughly, the first thing he might have noticed was that it was referring to "a" piece of legislation.

They might then have taken the simple step of asking what the quotes were meant to convey in that context. Instead a demand for a response to their misinterpretation of the post was made, along with instructions for the exact form that that response needed to take.

I have no obligation to respond to such a demand, nor to educate the poster making the demands as to the various uses of quotation marks in casual written discourse.

ETA, and no, I feel no regret for using the terms "knee-jerk" and "tribal" in a thread where "Hateful", "Bigoted", and "disgusting" are being thrown around.

I also gave you the option of at least showing where what you said was implied. You failed! You ran away from the hard question (which is exactly what I expected) and now you're trying to justify that running away with more waffling and BS (which was also entirely predictable)

Your claim, that legislation before the house stated "for legal purposes, anyone who declares himself to be a Woman is one" was always a bunch of BS and you know it. There is nothing in HR5 (or any piece of legislation) that even remotely implies this.

... you lied!

Distracted1 5th March 2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13417021)
I also gave you the option of at least showing where what you said was implied. You failed! You ran away from the hard question (which is exactly what I expected) and now you're trying to justify that running away with more waffling and BS (which was also entirely predictable)

Your claim, that legislation before the house stated "for legal purposes, anyone who declares himself to be a Woman is one" was always a bunch of BS and you know it. There is nothing in HR5 (or any piece of legislation) that even remotely implies this.

... you lied!

Reading.
Comprehension.

Dr. Keith 5th March 2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13417122)
Reading.
Comprehension.

If he is getting it so wrong maybe you could go back and point out what you were actually trying to say.

Distracted1 5th March 2021 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13417017)
You don't recall being extremely upset that people would describe those who literally built a golden statue of Trump as "worshipping" him? It was in that conversation that you claimed to be a lifelong registered Democrat despite your actions in this thread and that one. Ring a bell yet?


Eta: don't worry, long experience dealing with posters like 16.5/the big dog claiming to be Democrats as well despite constantly promoting and defending Republican people and positions while attacking and mocking every Democratic politician or policy made the shenanigans easy to spot.

I probably do not recall being "extremely upset" about that because in the 14 years I have been visiting this forum I have rarely become "extremely upset" by other posters' ignorance. Such as labelling the creation of a tacky statue "worshipping".

It would be interesting, however, if you were to spell out how my pointing out the hyperbolic nature of that characterization of the CPAC attendees (displayed by referring to them as "worshipping" a tacky statue) equals "defending Trump" as you claimed I was doing in your earlier lie.

MarkCorrigan 5th March 2021 02:02 PM

I am fully willing to believe that you were not intentionally defending trump in that thread.

However in this thread, you are defending the indefensible opinions of a transphobic bigot.

Pacal 5th March 2021 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13417128)
I probably do not recall being "extremely upset" about that because in the 14 years I have been visiting this forum I have rarely become "extremely upset" by other posters' ignorance. Such as labelling the creation of a tacky statue "worshipping".

It would be interesting, however, if you were to spell out how my pointing out the hyperbolic nature of that characterization of the CPAC attendees (displayed by referring to them as "worshipping" a tacky statue) equals "defending Trump" as you claimed I was doing in your earlier lie.

Regardless of whether or not the tacky statute of Trump is equal to worshipping him, since the election we have seen from Trump supporters a degree of adulation and groveling to Trump that is quite something. The CPAC meeting was full of that sort of idiocy. So yeah I am quite convinced that a great many Trump supporters can by now accurately be described has worshippers of Trump. He is now surrounded by what can only be described has a cult of personality. And yes Marjorie Taylor Greene is one of the cultists.

wareyin 5th March 2021 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13417128)
I probably do not recall being "extremely upset" about that because in the 14 years I have been visiting this forum I have rarely become "extremely upset" by other posters' ignorance. Such as labelling the creation of a tacky statue "worshipping".

It would be interesting, however, if you were to spell out how my pointing out the hyperbolic nature of that characterization of the CPAC attendees (displayed by referring to them as "worshipping" a tacky statue) equals "defending Trump" as you claimed I was doing in your earlier lie.

Man, right wingers just can't help but completely "misinterpret" any sort of communication they're involved in, huh? Before we go into the weeds with your latest "hey look, a squirrel" defense, let's get back to the bit you're trying to district from at the moment: MTG's longtime anti-trans activism that you, in your right wing anti-trans stance, are attempting to wave away as not being anti-trans but anti-some part of the protection from anti-trans-discrimination bill that she was publicly against before it was written.

Then, after you rewrite history enough to justify that bit of right wingerness, we can circle back to how creating a god-damn golden idol is the ******* biblical definition of worshipping, jesus ******* christ!

smartcooky 5th March 2021 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13417122)
Reading.
Comprehension.

Yup, yours definitely needs work

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13417127)
If he is getting it so wrong maybe you could go back and point out what you were actually trying to say.

Fat chance!

CORed 5th March 2021 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13415952)
You, however, made the claim that the legislation being discussed said "for legal purposes, anyone who declares himself to be a Woman is one".
hdraw your claim and admit you were wrong.

I am curious as to why this would be a problem (questions directed at Distracted1 more than quoted poster). Is there some test that needs to be conducted to determine if somebody is "really" transgender, or "just pretending?". Should it be legal to discriminate in housing, employment, or public accommodations against somebody who is "just pretending" and therefore not a "real" transgendered person? If so, why? Or is the contention that all transgendered people are "just pretending", and therefore need to be shunned by all right-thinking people?

wareyin 5th March 2021 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CORed (Post 13417340)
I am curious as to why this would be a problem (questions directed at Distracted1 more than quoted poster). Is there some test that needs to be conducted to determine if somebody is "really" transgender, or "just pretending?". Should it be legal to discriminate in housing, employment, or public accommodations against somebody who is "just pretending" and therefore not a "real" transgendered person? If so, why? Or is the contention that all transgendered people are "just pretending", and therefore need to be shunned by all right-thinking people?

Marjorie Taylor Greene, the subject of this thread, literally said trans people are pretending. Distracted1 defended that claim.

mgidm86 5th March 2021 07:14 PM

Some posters have an uncanny ability to be misunderstood in virtually every thread. Why does everyone suddenly suffer from reading comprehension when these posters are around? It's just so weird!

:jaw-dropp

smartcooky 5th March 2021 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CORed (Post 13417340)
I am curious as to why this would be a problem (questions directed at Distracted1 more than quoted poster). Is there some test that needs to be conducted to determine if somebody is "really" transgender, or "just pretending?". Should it be legal to discriminate in housing, employment, or public accommodations against somebody who is "just pretending" and therefore not a "real" transgendered person? If so, why? Or is the contention that all transgendered people are "just pretending", and therefore need to be shunned by all right-thinking people?

You just nailed it!

Norman Alexander 6th March 2021 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13418178)
I would recommend boffing powerful politicians if she has executive aspirations. It worked for Kamala.

And it worked for you too!

Stacyhs 7th March 2021 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13418249)
Evidence? Really?

Bwhahahahah!!! That's funny!

Yeah, I know. Trumpists don't bother with evidence as the last two impeachments proved.

Bogative 7th March 2021 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13418179)
Care to support that with any evidence or are you just into making spurious allegations like Trump?


https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...t-13562972.php

HawksFan 7th March 2021 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13418395)

We know they dated. Any evidence it furthered her career?

Distracted1 7th March 2021 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13417270)
Man, right wingers just can't help but completely "misinterpret" any sort of communication they're involved in, huh? Before we go into the weeds with your latest "hey look, a squirrel" defense, let's get back to the bit you're trying to district from at the moment: MTG's longtime anti-trans activism that you, in your right wing anti-trans stance, are attempting to wave away as not being anti-trans but anti-some part of the protection from anti-trans-discrimination bill that she was publicly against before it was written.

Then, after you rewrite history enough to justify that bit of right wingerness, we can circle back to how creating a god-damn golden idol is the ******* biblical definition of worshipping, jesus ******* christ!

Withdraw your lie, and I will consider addressing your further misrepresentations.

Distracted1 7th March 2021 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CORed (Post 13417340)
I am curious as to why this would be a problem (questions directed at Distracted1 more than quoted poster). Is there some test that needs to be conducted to determine if somebody is "really" transgender, or "just pretending?". Should it be legal to discriminate in housing, employment, or public accommodations against somebody who is "just pretending" and therefore not a "real" transgendered person? If so, why? Or is the contention that all transgendered people are "just pretending", and therefore need to be shunned by all right-thinking people?

You believe that "pretending" in that context means pretending to be trans ?

smartcooky 7th March 2021 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13418395)

You call this evidence? Ten hours and that's all you could come up with - a spurned lover's mildly bitchy opinion piece?

Oh, I forgot, you're a Trump sycophant - you don't know what evidence looks like.

wareyin 7th March 2021 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13418427)
Withdraw your lie, and I will consider addressing your further misrepresentations.

Oh, no, you won't address the errors in your claims unless I retract a non-existent lie? Well, that's one way to avoid any further embarrassment on your part.

Stacyhs 7th March 2021 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13418178)
I would recommend boffing powerful politicians if she has executive aspirations. It worked for Kamala.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13418179)
Care to support that with any evidence or are you just into making spurious allegations like Trump?

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13418395)

Basically you're accusing Harris of prostituting herself which explains your previous offensive avatar. Typical of the right-wing which made other nasty and untrue allegations. Resorting to such disgusting and false attacks does seem to be the 'go to' of the "party of family values" today, though. This is what Reuters fact check reveals:

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The claim Harris “had an affair with a married man” is technically true. But given Brown had been separated from his wife for more than a decade, the claim is misleading. Harris and Brown’s relationship was not secret and they made public appearances as a couple ( here , here ).

In a 2003 interview during her campaign for San Francisco district attorney, Harris told SF Weekly that she refused “to design my campaign around criticizing Willie Brown for the sake of appearing to be independent when I have no doubt that I am independent of him — and that he would probably right now express some fright about the fact that he cannot control me.” (here)

On Jan. 26, 2019, Brown published a short op-ed in the San Francisco Chronicle with the headline “Sure, I dated Kamala Harris. So what?” (here). Brown said he had recently “been peppered with calls from the national media about my ‘relationship’ with Kamala Harris, particularly since it became obvious that she was going to run for president. Most of them, I have not returned. Yes, we dated. It was more than 20 years ago.”

newyorkguy 7th March 2021 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13418726)
Basically you're accusing Harris of prostituting herself which explains your previous offensive avatar. Typical of the right-wing which made other nasty and untrue allegations. Resorting to such disgusting and false attacks does seem to be the 'go to' of the "party of family values" today, though...

This happens over and over. A right winger sees something in a thread that upsets them -- in this case probably the video of Marjorie Taylor Greene groping the donald trump cutout plus the comment about Greene getting it on with trump -- and they cast about for a way to give some 'payback.'

As someone pointed out: instead of defending their position the wingers often accuse anyone who disagrees as misunderstanding their position. Then they drag that out until people give up.

It's a very lame way to try and discuss something, but it's all you can expect. I just skip past this nonsense. ;)

Distracted1 7th March 2021 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13418675)
Oh, no, you won't address the errors in your claims unless I retract a non-existent lie? Well, that's one way to avoid any further embarrassment on your part.

You are now doubling down on your lie by lieing again.
Post 845 you made a claim that I was defending Trump in a specific other thread. A lie. If you cannot be bothered to withdraw your lie- or at least excuse it by claiming to be mistaken, then honest conversation with you is not possible.

Mumbles 7th March 2021 04:49 PM

...eh, I'm not interested in Bogative's raggedy old racist stereotypes about how horrible black people are, so instead, here's MTG complaining that going through a metal detector is "voterr suppression", as opposed to just "security", and then stating that "waiting in line" is no more voter suppression than standing in line at a grocery store.

Because every person needs very specific ID to go to a grocery store. And the lines are typically and purposefully hours long.

Also, if you didn't buy groceries last "grocery day", or you have a similar name to someone who shoplifted from another store, you might find that you are wiped off the "grocery-buyer's list" and will starve, and one of the two major political parties in the US are hellbent on making this even more difficult, if not impossible, by shortening the time the grocery store is open, moving the grocery store from one place to another, and so forth.

Also, nobody should be allowed to order groceries for delivery.

wareyin 7th March 2021 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13418810)
You are now doubling down on your lie by lieing again.
Post 845 you made a claim that I was defending Trump in a specific other thread. A lie. If you cannot be bothered to withdraw your lie- or at least excuse it by claiming to be mistaken, then honest conversation with you is not possible.

Sure, sure anything you can use to change the subject from your errors. You not only don't have to defend yourself here, you clearly can't defend your claims.

So, how about MTG's anti-trans activism that you keep trying to ignore and change the subject from?

newyorkguy 7th March 2021 06:45 PM

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This is a blatant attempt to derail this thread. Evidence? We don't need no stinkin' evidence.

What pray tell does any of this have to do with Marjorie Taylor Greene? The comment that seems to have been so intolerable was based on, not Greene attempting a sexual liaison with trump to further her career, but groping a cardboard cutout of him. Remember?

In case anyone thinks the screen cap is misleading, here's the video link on Twitter. It's 29-seconds long for those with a short attention span. ;)

This guy right here is great!

newyorkguy 8th March 2021 01:14 PM

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This comment gives even more context to some of Greene's posturing.
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“I'm telling you we've got a South Africa in the backyard of Atlanta, Georgia.''

mgidm86 8th March 2021 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13419681)
This comment gives even more context to some of Greene's posturing.

Holy crap I didn't realize that was a real poster/image and not a joke.

I want to go back to the timeline I came from, what the hell is going on here? Let me OUT!

Skeptic Ginger 8th March 2021 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mgidm86 (Post 13419920)
Holy crap I didn't realize that was a real poster/image and not a joke.

I want to go back to the timeline I came from, what the hell is going on here? Let me OUT!

And she wonders why Pelosi won't let her bring her gun onto the House floor.


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