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W.D.Clinger 13th July 2021 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13535075)
I used to think they wanted to go back to the 1950's, Now I think they want to go back to the 1050s

Back when the Americas were truly great.

Although mainstream archeologists believe the Chaco culture of that time eventually fell apart under pressure from a decades-long drought, some say that great American culture declined because it became excessively conservative.

ferd burfle 13th July 2021 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13535075)
I now think a lot of people are having problems coping with the modern world..in particular the changes that have happened over the past 50 years..and now are in revolt, wanting to turn back the clock to a simpler time they think was a Golden Age.
I used to think they wanted to go back to the 1950's, Now I think they want to go back to the 1050s, it's that bad. They want to throw out science and replace it with mysticism and superstition...something medieval if ever there as something medieval.


My high school chemistry teacher once remarked that the people living in "the good old days" referred to them as "these trying times".

dudalb 13th July 2021 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ferd burfle (Post 13535816)
My high school chemistry teacher once remarked that the people living in "the good old days" referred to them as "these trying times".

"The good old days, the good old days,
which we so fondly speak of,
which, if they were to really come back
we could not stand a week of".

dudalb 13th July 2021 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13535117)
In my YT feed there occasionally appear vids of TV programs, home movies, etc., from decades past. The comments get a large fraction of respondents who wax rhapsodic about those wonderful, simpler times that they'd gladly go back to if only it were possible.

And would hate if they actually went back......

Norman Alexander 13th July 2021 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13535117)
In my YT feed there occasionally appear vids of TV programs, home movies, etc., from decades past. The comments get a large fraction of respondents who wax rhapsodic about those wonderful, simpler times that they'd gladly go back to if only it were possible.

Back when there were no YT videos. Or Twitter. Or even an internet to bitch across.

ferd burfle 13th July 2021 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13536184)
"The good old days, the good old days,
which we so fondly speak of,
which, if they were to really come back
we could not stand a week of".


Thanks, that’s a good one!

gnome 13th July 2021 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13536187)
And would hate if they actually went back......

I know. 90% top marginal tax rate. What is Eisenhower, a communist or something?!

autumn1971 13th July 2021 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13536306)
I know. 90% top marginal tax rate. What is Eisenhower, a communist or something?!

I heard he collaborated with commies during the war!!!

Stacyhs 13th July 2021 05:56 PM

People look at the past with rose colored glasses when, in fact, people living it at the time bitched about how awful things were just like they do now. The theme song to "All in the Family" reflected that rosy outlook of the past even in the 70's.

Boy, the way Glenn Miller played
songs that made the hit parade
Guys like me we had it made
Those were the days
Didn't need no welfare state
ev'rybody pulled his weight
gee our old LaSalle ran great
Those were the days
And you knew who you were then
girls were girls and men were men
Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again
People seemed to be content
fifty dollars paid the rent
freaks were in a circus tent
Those were the days

Stacyhs 13th July 2021 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by autumn1971 (Post 13536459)
I heard he collaborated with commies during the war!!!

Further proof that Republicans love Russia! :rolleyes:

dudalb 14th July 2021 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13536466)
People look at the past with rose colored glasses when, in fact, people living it at the time bitched about how awful things were just like they do now. The theme song to "All in the Family" reflected that rosy outlook of the past even in the 70's.

Boy, the way Glenn Miller played
songs that made the hit parade
Guys like me we had it made
Those were the days
Didn't need no welfare state
ev'rybody pulled his weight
gee our old LaSalle ran great
Those were the days
And you knew who you were then
girls were girls and men were men
Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again
People seemed to be content
fifty dollars paid the rent
freaks were in a circus tent
Those were the days

That was a fantasy land that never existed (though I really like Glenn Miller).
This mindless nostalgia knows no political boundaries though. A lot of people have a very starry eyed opinion of the 60's making it seem like one big Woodstock love in. The 60's were not like that , folks. ( And Woodstock was not that great either (except for the music)It was a pretty big mess in reality.

MarkCorrigan 14th July 2021 12:08 PM

Wasn't All In The Family the US comedy show that copied a British show where the racist father was meant to be the butt of all the jokes because racists be stupid and removed all of the satire from it?

ETA: Yes, it was.
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Based on the British sitcom Till Death Us Do Part,

dudalb 14th July 2021 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan (Post 13537438)
Wasn't All In The Family the US comedy show that copied a British show where the racist father was meant to be the butt of all the jokes because racists be stupid and removed all of the satire from it?

ETA: Yes, it was.

Norman Lear ,producer of All In The Family, actually bought the US rights to "Till Death Do Us Part" so it was a legal copy.
Another hit US comedy show with a lot of satire in the 70's "Sanford And Son" was based on a British Sitcom, "Steptoe and Son" changing Steptoe and his son from Conkneys in London to Afro Americans in L.A.
Even now days, one line from the show... j"It's the Big One, Elizabeth" is a pretty well known meme.

Stacyhs 14th July 2021 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan (Post 13537438)
Wasn't All In The Family the US comedy show that copied a British show where the racist father was meant to be the butt of all the jokes because racists be stupid and removed all of the satire from it?

ETA: Yes, it was.

You're partially correct. The satire was not removed and Archie Bunker remained the butt of all the jokes. The show exposed him as a racist right-winger and he always ended up looking stupid.

MarkCorrigan 14th July 2021 01:19 PM

I was under the impression that it made him more a sympathetic idiot, like Homer Simpson.

Stacyhs 14th July 2021 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan (Post 13537558)
I was under the impression that it made him more a sympathetic idiot, like Homer Simpson.

I've never seen the original Brit version so I can't say if he was "more" sympathetic or not. I do know that Archie's racism/bigotry was never shown in a sympathetic light.

Homer isn't racist or bigoted; he's just stupid.

jimbob 14th July 2021 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13537565)
I've never seen the original Brit version so I can't say if he was "more" sympathetic or not. I do know that Archie's racism/bigotry was never shown in a sympathetic light.

Homer isn't racist or bigoted; he's just stupid.

Well, Alf Garnet was famously disappointed that the racists in Britain didn't realise he was mocking them.

Skeptic Ginger 14th July 2021 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13534859)
She is simply desperate for constant attention. From anyone. Just like Donny Small Hands.

This ^

And I'd bet that past as a bodybuilding female was for the same reason.

Skeptic Ginger 14th July 2021 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 13534913)
...

Oh sure, there are still the anti-vax parents who are democrats, but that certainly is not the party line at all.

As opposed to the GOP.

And no matter how many times you point out to the right wing that the difference is the Democratic Party leaders do not support the antivaxxer POV, they just keep repeating the false equivalence.

Skeptic Ginger 14th July 2021 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mgidm86 (Post 13535121)
They were forced into it because the good causes such as science, literacy and compassion were already taken by the libs.

I think it happened when they saw all the votes they could get from the Evangelical and anti-abortion crowd. I believe Karl Rove called them single issue voters, apparently very reliable single issue voters.

You can see they still court those votes to this day. MTG fits the bill quite nicely.

Stacyhs 14th July 2021 03:15 PM

As evidence of the GOP's anti-vaccine position:

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Tennessee's top vaccine official says she has been fired as punishment for doing her job in the face of political pushback.

Dr. Michelle Fiscus was caught up in a controversy after she passed along legal guidance to health providers saying teenagers do not need parents' consent to receive a COVID-19 vaccine shot — a position established by decades of state law.

"Specifically, it was MY job to provide evidence-based education and vaccine access so that Tennesseans could protect themselves against COVID-19," Fiscus said in a scathing statement about her firing. "I have now been terminated for doing exactly that."
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Because of the pushback from lawmakers, Fiscus said, Tennessee is halting all of its vaccination outreach efforts for teenagers and children – not only for COVID-19 but also for measles and other illnesses.
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The doctrine, which says teens from ages 14 to 17 don't need to get their parents' or guardians' consent before getting the vaccine, was posted online "and is blessed by the Governor's office on the subject," the legal office said, according to Fiscus. The office reportedly added, "This is forward facing so feel free to distribute to anyone."

But when Fiscus sent a memo sharing that guidance, critics seized on the message and called it governmental overreach, threatening to disband the state Department of Health despite the COVID-19 pandemic. At a hearing in the Tennessee Legislature, a Republican lawmaker said the Health Department's ad campaign encouraging teens to get vaccinated amounted to an attempt "to target children."
This is just plain crazy. But crazy and GOP have become synonymous.

newyorkguy 14th July 2021 03:38 PM

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Back to MTG. She'll be appearing live with Matt Gaetz Saturday night at an America First rally in Orange County California. Marj and Matt are sounding the alarm, President Biden is hacking kids' text messages in order to track them and vax them. Sure, that sounds logical, right kids? :rolleyes:

dudalb 14th July 2021 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13537623)
As evidence of the GOP's anti-vaccine position:





This is just plain crazy. But crazy and GOP have become synonymous.

Sad thing is a lot of Republicans are in denial about what the party has become.

dudalb 14th July 2021 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13537642)
Back to MTG. She'll be appearing live with Matt Gaetz Saturday night at an America First rally in Orange County California. Marj and Matt are sounding the alarm, President Biden is hacking kids' text messages in order to track them and vax them. Sure, that sounds logical, right kids? :rolleyes:

Next step: Stop seeing those evil doctors with their satanic Science and go to Faith Healers instead.

dudalb 14th July 2021 03:43 PM

The way Anti Vaxers are taking over the GOP is truly scary. It is not just about Covid virus anymore, but about all viruses.

dudalb 14th July 2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13537617)
I think it happened when they saw all the votes they could get from the Evangelical and anti-abortion crowd. I believe Karl Rove called them single issue voters, apparently very reliable single issue voters.

You can see they still court those votes to this day. MTG fits the bill quite nicely.

THIS.
The GOP crusade against science is 100% rooted in it's dependence on the Religious Right's vote.They basicallly hate science because it conflicts with the Bible.

Stacyhs 14th July 2021 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13537642)
Back to MTG. She'll be appearing live with Matt Gaetz Saturday night at an America First rally in Orange County California. Marj and Matt are sounding the alarm, President Biden is hacking kids' text messages in order to track them and vax them. Sure, that sounds logical, right kids? :rolleyes:

A clown show that will be attended by idiots.

newyorkguy 14th July 2021 05:48 PM

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Oops. The Tweet I posted earlier was 'tweeted' by Marj yesterday but...
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A Laguna Hills event center canceled plans to host an “America First” rally on July 17 after learning the speakers were slated to be two of the most controversial Republicans in Congress: Reps. Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene. “We just want to stay clear of that,” Javad Mirtavoosi, general manager of Pacific Hills Banquet & Event Center, said by phone [last] Friday. Orange County Register link
It was reported Greene’s campaign disputes the account of why the rally was cancelled by Pacific Hills. The Register also noted, "They’re still selling tickets for a rally..." But while they are STILL advertising the event, a new location has yet to be found and time is running out.

But when the 'Brain Trust' put their minds to it, anything is possible. Correct? ;)

Stacyhs 14th July 2021 05:57 PM

They'd hate to have to return the money people paid for those tickets. After all, the money was the main purpose of the rally in the first place.

dudalb 14th July 2021 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13537786)
They'd hate to have to return the money people paid for those tickets. After all, the money was the main purpose of the rally in the first place.

They might end up in the meeting room of a Holiday Inn....

eerok 14th July 2021 06:05 PM

I heard Four Seasons Landscaping is available.

Belz... 14th July 2021 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13537647)
Next step: Stop seeing those evil doctors with their satanic Science and go to Faith Healers instead.

Televangelists have been hard at work on this for decades.

Belz... 14th July 2021 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13537651)
THIS.
The GOP crusade against science is 100% rooted in it's dependence on the Religious Right's vote.They basicallly hate science because it conflicts with the Bible.

I think it goes beyond that.

The right has lost the culture wars; the younger generations believe in things that are alien to them, and they can't get that back. So they get more and more extreme, to the point where you deny reality itself because it can't agree with you. You form your own reality; it's less about being correct than about sharing an experience, and feeling like you "belong" in this group. They "don't recognise this country anymore", so they've crafted something they can all be part of -- a post-fact reality.

dudalb 14th July 2021 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 13537799)
I think it goes beyond that.

The right has lost the culture wars; the younger generations believe in things that are alien to them, and they can't get that back. So they get more and more extreme, to the point where you deny reality itself because it can't agree with you. You form your own reality; it's less about being correct than about sharing an experience, and feeling like you "belong" in this group. They "don't recognise this country anymore", so they've crafted something they can all be part of -- a post-fact reality.


I agree, but I was talking specifically about the Anti Science .particulary the Anti Vax ...stuff that is sweeping the GOP. I remain convinced the religious right i at the root of that.

dudalb 14th July 2021 06:24 PM

What is interesting is how many of these people seem to have no interest in anything but "Owning the Libtards". It all about name calling with no discussion policy.

Stacyhs 14th July 2021 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13537814)
What is interesting is how many of these people seem to have no interest in anything but "Owning the Libtards". It all about name calling with no discussion policy.

It takes some intelligence and information to actually "discuss" a topic. See the problem there?

Belz... 14th July 2021 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13537811)
I agree, but I was talking specifically about the Anti Science .particulary the Anti Vax ...stuff that is sweeping the GOP. I remain convinced the religious right i at the root of that.

It's hard to keep track. I think all of those groups merged. Anti-vax, consipracy theorists, evangelicals, sovereign citizens, white supremacists, etc. Everyone who stands to lose (or, more correctly, to be put on everyone else's level) from the coming times.

Belz... 14th July 2021 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13537818)
It takes some intelligence and information to actually "discuss" a topic. See the problem there?

See the parallels with this forum, sometimes?

Stacyhs 14th July 2021 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 13537822)
See the parallels with this forum, sometimes?

Oh....yeaaaaah......

mgidm86 14th July 2021 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13537617)
I think it happened when they saw all the votes they could get from the Evangelical and anti-abortion crowd. I believe Karl Rove called them single issue voters, apparently very reliable single issue voters.

You can see they still court those votes to this day. MTG fits the bill quite nicely.


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