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Aridas 15th October 2020 02:58 AM

To poke another thing - if you happen to live in California, be warned.

California Republican Party says it won't take down illegal 'ballot boxes' despite state orders

Really short version? The California GOP is putting up a bunch of very insecure boxes claiming to be ballot boxes managed by unidentified GOP members.

Also of particular note -

Quote:

California officials have now warned the state Republican Party that what they're doing is illegal and may even result in prison time. The Republican Party has responded in the expected way: They don't care, and won't be complying with state demands to remove the boxes.

Captain_Swoop 15th October 2020 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13258193)
To poke another thing - if you happen to live in California, be warned.

California Republican Party says it won't take down illegal 'ballot boxes' despite state orders

Really short version? The California GOP is putting up a bunch of very insecure boxes claiming to be ballot boxes managed by unidentified GOP members.

Also of particular note -

Do they think this will help to get undecided people to vote for them?
Who would use one of these fake boxes?

The Great Zaganza 15th October 2020 03:04 AM


I hope that at some point this gets a throughout investigation, but it won't happen under Barr/Trump.

Captain_Swoop 15th October 2020 03:09 AM

Sean Spicer
@seanspicer
Kayleigh McEnany Twitter account locked
Twitter has locked the account of White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany because she shared a story about Hunter Biden and Ukraine.
washingtontimes.com

The Don 15th October 2020 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13258195)
Do they think this will help to get undecided people to vote for them?
Who would use one of these fake boxes?

I guess there are a number of possible explanations for this, including:
  • The least malign one - that the California GOP wants to ensure that it's as easy as possible for people to vote and they are providing these boxes as a public service to enable that to happen. Yes, they're in primarily Republican areas, but they help Democrats too.
  • It's a way to trigger the libz
  • It's an exercise in martyrdom. They want to be charged so that they can scream that Californiastan is denying them their democratic rights
  • That this is some kind of protest to get the 2018 legislation allowing "ballot harvesting" to be overturned
  • That this is a plot to get hold of as many ballots as possible and attempt to dispose of those that may be cast for the Democratic Party :tinfoil
  • That this is a stunt, that the ballots will be discarded somewhere, found and the whole exercise used as a means to promote the idea that the Democrats are engaging in widespread voter fraud :tinfoil

Darat 15th October 2020 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13257626)
Look for a "bombshell" (cough cough) smear attack on Hunter Biden in the next week or so as Trump's Hail Mary. FoxNews is salivating over a story about Giuliani's laywers having "dirt" on him and pushing it hard to their viewership.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...d-drive-laptop

Probably be as big as when Trump had that press conference to reveal the shocking information his investigators had uncovered about Obama’s faker birth certificate.

I bet 100% this will ensure hunter Biden is not elected as president!

The Great Zaganza 15th October 2020 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13258200)
Sean Spicer
@seanspicer
Kayleigh McEnany Twitter account locked
Twitter has locked the account of White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany because she shared a story about Hunter Biden and Ukraine.
washingtontimes.com

this is going to be a *********.

But it's the WH fault for relying so heavily on a private media service.

The Don 15th October 2020 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13258207)
this is going to be a *********.

But it's the WH fault for relying so heavily on a private media service.

And also for being happy to promote conspiracy theories they know are completely unfounded.

Aridas 15th October 2020 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13258195)
Do they think this will help to get undecided people to vote for them?
Who would use one of these fake boxes?

By making it easier and more convenient for people that are likely to favor you to vote, more will vote. Not necessarily lots, but even a few votes can be a deciding factor in many elections - especially more local elections. As for who? Plenty of people are not especially politically involved or knowledgeable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13258201)
I guess there are a number of possible explanations for this, including:
  • The least malign one - that the California GOP wants to ensure that it's as easy as possible for people to vote and they are providing these boxes as a public service to enable that to happen. Yes, they're in primarily Republican areas, but they help Democrats too.
  • It's a way to trigger the libz
  • It's an exercise in martyrdom. They want to be charged so that they can scream that Californiastan is denying them their democratic rights
  • That this is some kind of protest to get the 2018 legislation allowing "ballot harvesting" to be overturned
  • That this is a plot to get hold of as many ballots as possible and attempt to dispose of those that may be cast for the Democratic Party :tinfoil
  • That this is a stunt, that the ballots will be discarded somewhere, found and the whole exercise used as a means to promote the idea that the Democrats are engaging in widespread voter fraud :tinfoil

That was answering rather different questions than were asked, but... that last one sounds unpleasantly plausible, much as "cheating" or "electoral fraud" would probably cover it better than voter fraud in that case. The GOP is already steadily losing more and more in California, as it is, so doing that as a ploy wouldn't be all that surprising.

On that note, I wouldn't put it past them to also be putting them up as an attempted showy counter to any damage caused elsewhere by the Republican ballot box removal shenanigans with the Post Office and especially in Texas, where their efforts have been directly blocked by a judge.

phiwum 15th October 2020 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13257799)
I think that you're a bit off here. Covfefe was fairly certainly an accident, rather than a joke, and one that quickly had an embarrassing story attached to it (the suggestion that Trump had probably fallen asleep on the toilet) that was being circulated. What happened after that was an effort to save face for Trump, including on Spicer's part. Trump does not like being embarrassed.

Oh, "covfefe" was definitely an accident. It's just that Spicer's comment was so ridiculous that I wonder if there was some intentional absurdity to it. Sure could be wrong.

Quote:

The "Please, please like me" bit may well be a half-joke, sure, though. The kind of "joke" that also reveals the true feelings of the speaker. Like - "Russia, if you're listening..."
Yes, definitely reveals true feelings but with a bit of self-mocking thrown in.

RolandRat 15th October 2020 04:36 AM

"Donald Trump continues to trail his presidential challenger Joe Biden by as much as 17 points in the national polls and acknowledged his concern during his latest rally appearance in Des Moines, Iowa, on Wednesday night, telling his loyal crowd: "For me to only be up six [in Iowa], I'm a little bit concerned, I'll tell you that."

In a further sign of his desperation, the president later tweeted an astonishing plea to voters in the solidly-Democratic state of California, asking them “WHAT THE HELL DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE?” in voting for him."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...?ocid=msedgdhp

Captain_Swoop 15th October 2020 05:06 AM

Donald J. Trump Retweeted

Hansen for Congress (IA-01)
@Hansen4Congress
Does this have your attention @JoeBiden? Good luck trying to explain it next week at the debate!
#WheresHunter #BidenCrimeFamily #Trump2020 #KAG
Quote Tweet

Fox News
@FoxNews
Sen. John Kennedy: New Hunter Biden report as serious as 'four heart attacks and a stroke' https://foxnews.com/politics/sen-ken...n-email-report

Come on, Man! When is @georgesoros going to pay people to attend my rallies? Or is he too busy printing extra ballots and ballot harvesting? Let’s hope the right people are paying attention. #MailInBallotFraud #BidenCrimeFamily #WheresHunter
Flag of United States#Trump2020 #KAG

Rudy W. Giuliani
@RudyGiuliani
Biden can’t stand up to China.
They own him.
His son, brother and sister-in-law are, and have been, partners with businesses owned by Communist China and high level members of the CCP.
Records I have seen show over $30 million paid to the #BidenCrimeFamily and a lot more to go.

Donna Cahill
@DTCahill
People under 40 yrs old have no clue, but @RudyGiuliani single handily took down the largest organized crime syndicate in America - the Mafia.
Exposing the #BidenCrimeFamily is peanuts for Rudy.

RealVinnieJames
@RealVinnieJames
NY Post just dropped another BOMBSHELL regarding the #BidenCrimeFamily!
SEARCH STRING: "Emails reveal how Hunter Biden tried to cash in big on behalf of family with Chinese firm"
Must watch ...

BeanfrompaFire
@BeanfromPa
@Twitter in the bag for the #BidenCrimeFamily making up lies
Joe bragged about it!
Joe also supports BLM #BidenCrimeFamily
Hey Quid Pro Joe #BidenCrimeFamily

Styxhexenhammer666
@Styx666Official
https://dailymotion.com/video/x7wu96e
The Hunter Biden email bombshell prompted massive damage control by the legacy media and a rapid censorship campaign by Twitter and Facebook- which has backfired. (DM) #HunterBiden #BidenCrimeFamily

Armitage72 15th October 2020 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13258284)
Donald J. Trump Retweeted

Rudy W. Giuliani
@RudyGiuliani
Records I have seen show over $30 million paid to the #BidenCrimeFamily and a lot more to go.


I'm not going to show them to you though. Just take my word for it. You can trust me.

Gulliver Foyle 15th October 2020 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13257518)
"Is" a real journalist? No, she's a former journalist.

No a pretend journalist that managed to con some people at NBC into thinking she was a real one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 13257575)
I don't think she's wrong.

I think that some of Trump's humor is self-deprecating.

She's definitely wrong. Have you ever seen in your life Trump do humour? His idea of humour is belittling others.

The Great Zaganza 15th October 2020 05:27 AM

Do it, Jack Dorsey.

Block Trump's Twitter account.

You know you want to.

JoeMorgue 15th October 2020 05:29 AM

That's why I hate the "Oh he's just joking" defense for so much of Trump's vileness.

He's never made a joke. He's been smarmy. He's been a troll. He's been insulting. He's been a bully. And all of those seem to make him laugh.

But self facing, genuine humor? No, never.

JoeMorgue 15th October 2020 05:37 AM

That's why I hate the "Oh he's just joking" defense for so much of Trump's vileness.

He's never made a joke. He's been smarmy. He's been a troll. He's been insulting. He's been a bully. And all of those seem to make him laugh.

But self facing, genuine humor? No, never.

shuttlt 15th October 2020 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle (Post 13258296)
No a pretend journalist that managed to con some people at NBC into thinking she was a real one.



She's definitely wrong. Have you ever seen in your life Trump do humour? His idea of humour is belittling others.

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE

Trump joking about his hair. He makes quite a lot of self deprecating jokes like this.

Bob001 15th October 2020 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13258300)
That's why I hate the "Oh he's just joking" defense for so much of Trump's vileness.

He's never made a joke. He's been smarmy. He's been a troll. He's been insulting. He's been a bully. And all of those seem to make him laugh.

But self facing, genuine humor? No, never.


Michael Cohen, who probably knows him as well as anybody, says Trump is never joking. Never.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/michae...for-third-term

Gulliver Foyle 15th October 2020 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13258321)
YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE

Trump joking about his hair. He makes quite a lot of self deprecating jokes like this.

That's not a joke, that's Trump's insecurities about the dead squirrel he's using as a hair substitute pushing through.

He doesn't work it as a joke, he's pushing the line hard and he's getting angry at having to even refute the allegations that it's not his hair.

Trump has no humour. QED.

Captain_Swoop 15th October 2020 06:34 AM

Bill Kristol tweeted
@BillKristol
“Metadata on the PDF files suggest they were created on a Mac laptop on Sep. 29 and Oct. 10...The timing of the creation of those PDF files—several months after Biden allegedly dropped off his laptop at the PC repair store in April 2019—raises questions.”
Trump Knew for Weeks That Rudy’s Hit on Hunter Biden Was Coming
The president cheered as his personal lawyer prepared a “sex and drugs” sliming of the Democratic nominee’s son.
thedailybeast.com

JoeMorgue 15th October 2020 06:40 AM

Goddamn you wouldn't accept that level of sloppy, non-existent chain of custody for a video game save file you downloaded off of Limewire.

ponderingturtle 15th October 2020 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13258344)
Michael Cohen, who probably knows him as well as anybody, says Trump is never joking. Never.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/michae...for-third-term

I always figured he was "joking" like a guy suggesting a threesome to his wife is joking.

Horatius 15th October 2020 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13258201)
I guess there are a number of possible explanations for this, including:
  • It's an exercise in martyrdom. They want to be charged so that they can scream that Californiastan is denying them their democratic rights
  • That this is a stunt, that the ballots will be discarded somewhere, found and the whole exercise used as a means to promote the idea that the Democrats are engaging in widespread voter fraud :tinfoil


I'd say it's close to a 50/50 mix of these two. If they got caught, as they did, they whine about their votes being suppressed, calling the legitimacy of the California vote into question. If they'd managed to avoid being caught, they'd likely dump and then "find" a bunch of Republican votes to again call the vote into question.

It's significant that this seems to only be happening in California. They know there's essentially zero chance they'll win California, so sacrificing a few votes won't really cost them too much. But the value of calling the election into question is enormous.


"The Dems are so corrupt, they even cheated in California! Imagine what they got away with in Georgia and Iowa! These results must be overturned to Protect Freedom(TM)!"

Captain_Swoop 15th October 2020 07:48 AM

Trump on Fox

Trump tells Stuart Varney that he won't call up Pelosi and negotiate a stimulus bill because she has "a lot of mental problems"

"If you take New York out, we have [coronavirus] numbers that nobody can even can compete with it. New York and a couple of places."

V- Under what circumstances would you concede the election?
T- "All I want is a fair election"
V- So it's your judgment as to whether it's fair?
T- "Stuart -- they always talk about the friendly transition. They spied on my campaign."

V- There's a Wall Street Journal poll that puts Biden up 11 points on you
T- "Well, the polls were wrong last time ... we're doing great"

"I was doing well, and then one day I got a reading -- a positive reading. I mean, positive in a negative sense, right? Sounds sort of strange, but positive in a negative sense, and I had it"

V- A lot of people are criticizing you for these rallies. Huge crowds ... pretty close together, not wearing masks. They're calling you a spreader of the virus.

T- "Well Joe, ah... doesn't have any rallies 'cause nobody shows up ... But what I do is, outside is a big thing."

V- Can you tell us which taxes you would get if you get a second term?

T- "Middle-income, income tax. We're talking about income taxes."

V- Can you be sure that the Hunter Biden emails story isn't a set up?

T- "Oh, I don't know what 'set up' is."

"He is shot, he's mentally shot. In fact, he's not calling the shots"

"You have to be rude, the guys a liar and he's a corrupt politician. Joe Biden is a totally corrupt politician. All you have to do is look at the sons server. I can't believe they found his laptop, it's incredible"

Dr.Sid 15th October 2020 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13258193)
To poke another thing - if you happen to live in California, be warned.

California Republican Party says it won't take down illegal 'ballot boxes' despite state orders

Really short version? The California GOP is putting up a bunch of very insecure boxes claiming to be ballot boxes managed by unidentified GOP members.

Also of particular note -

How is that not illegal ? And one of the parties is doing that ? That is some 3rd world stuff. Oh it's America .. I forgot ..

The Great Zaganza 15th October 2020 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Sid (Post 13258432)
How is that not illegal ? And one of the parties is doing that ? That is some 3rd world stuff. Oh it's America .. I forgot ..

It is illegal.

But as usual in the US, it takes a lawsuit to stop it, not a lawsuit to get permission for it.

More money for lawyers this way.

JoeMorgue 15th October 2020 07:56 AM

It's very illegal but we don't yet have a way around the GOP's "Everything is legal until somebody stops me and/or I actually face any real consequences for doing it" technique.

Ladewig 15th October 2020 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13258374)
I'd say it's close to a 50/50 mix of these two. If they got caught, as they did, they whine about their votes being suppressed, calling the legitimacy of the California vote into question. If they'd managed to avoid being caught, they'd likely dump and then "find" a bunch of Republican votes to again call the vote into question.

It's significant that this seems to only be happening in California. They know there's essentially zero chance they'll win California, so sacrificing a few votes won't really cost them too much. But the value of calling the election into question is enormous.


"The Dems are so corrupt, they even cheated in California! Imagine what they got away with in Georgia and Iowa! These results must be overturned to Protect Freedom(TM)!"

Then what the heck is going on in these Republican strategy meetings? It seems to me that if someOne suggested framing a Democratic senator for murder, the chairman1 would actually pause before saying no. And not a single person in the room would say, “GTFO you psycho.”

....
(1) on the first draft, I wrote chairperson. Then i realized how absurd it was to imagine that the Republicans might have a woman in charge of a dirty tricks campaign.

Ladewig 15th October 2020 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13258442)
It's very illegal but we don't yet have a way around the GOP's "Everything is legal until somebody stops me and/or I actually face any real consequences for doing it" technique.

You are being too generous.
“Everything I do is legal even if someone stops me or if I face real consequences. Even if you throw me in jail and show me the law in the US Code, I’ll still claim it was legal and I’ll file lawsuits until the president pardons me.”

Bob001 15th October 2020 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13258438)
It is illegal.

But as usual in the US, it takes a lawsuit to stop it, not a lawsuit to get permission for it.
....


What makes you think a lawsuit will stop it?
Quote:

(CNN)The California Republican Party said Wednesday it will not comply with the state's cease-and-desist order over unofficial ballot drop boxes placed in at least four counties, escalating a brewing political showdown ahead of the November election.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/polit...ist/index.html

JoeMorgue 15th October 2020 08:21 AM

"Make Me" - The Republican Party, 2020.

pgwenthold 15th October 2020 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13258467)
What makes you think a lawsuit will stop it?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/polit...ist/index.html

Burn'em

Let's hear that complaint....

"That evil Antifa burned ballots in our illegal collection ballots"

Armitage72 15th October 2020 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13258430)
Trump on Fox

"If you take New York out, we have [coronavirus] numbers that nobody can even can compete with it. New York and a couple of places."


If you take John Wilkes Booth out, President and Mrs. Lincoln had a wonderful night out at the theater.

Horatius 15th October 2020 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13258438)
It is illegal.

But as usual in the US, it takes a lawsuit to stop it, not a lawsuit to get permission for it.

More money for lawyers this way.



Screw that, it doesn't take a "lawsuit" to enforce a law. Send in the cops to remove the boxes from every location you know about, and arrest everyone who is even remotely related to placing them there, and charge them with a crime.

And then hold them without bail, since the California GOP's attitude makes it clear that they are almost certainly going to re-offend if allowed out on bail. Let the ************* sit in jail for six months while their case drags through the courts.

Wash, rinse, repeat for every new Republican ************ who tries to keep this **** going.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13258444)
Then what the heck is going on in these Republican strategy meetings? It seems to me that if someOne suggested framing a Democratic senator for murder, the chairman1 would actually pause before saying no. And not a single person in the room would say, “GTFO you psycho.”


You're still applying the Principle of Charity to these guys. That ship has sailed. It's clear that large numbers of GOP officials are actively trying to suppress democracy in the US, and just don't give a **** that they're committing crimes to do that. It's time to stop treating them as if this is "politics as usual", and start treating them as the criminals they are (see above).

If Republican voters don't like this, then it's about time they put a leash on the criminals they've allowed to take over their party.

The Don 15th October 2020 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13258484)
If Republican voters don't like this, then it's about time they put a leash on the criminals they've allowed to take over their party.

As far as I can see, Republican voters seem perfectly content with the current state of the party. President Trump has 95% approval (even Gallup gives him high 80's low 90's) and all GOP representatives seem to be in lockstep when it comes to casting doubt on the election.

JoeMorgue 15th October 2020 08:34 AM

Again Republicans see themselves as just being entitled to power. Not just deserving of it.

Any system in which they don't have power must, simply must be broken. You can't argue the concept of a fair system where they aren't the winner to them.

carlosy 15th October 2020 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13258442)
It's very illegal but we don't yet have a way around the GOP's "Everything is legal until somebody stops me and/or I actually face any real consequences for doing it" technique.

LAW AND ORDER!!11!!!1

carlosy 15th October 2020 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13258484)
You're still applying the Principle of Charity to these guys. That ship has sailed. It's clear that large numbers of GOP officials are actively trying to suppress democracy in the US, and just don't give a **** that they're committing crimes to do that. It's time to stop treating them as if this is "politics as usual", and start treating them as the criminals they are (see above).

And if you do so it only shows how deep engrained the dem-deep-state is. Going after fine reps with fake arguments.
It's a disgrace.
Biggest scandal in the universe!
We gotta stop 'em!

Captain_Swoop 15th October 2020 08:52 AM

CSPAN tweeted

@cspan
Sen. @tedcruz: "Twitter is actively blocking, right now this instant, stories from the New York Post...on Tuesday, the Judiciary Committee, the full committee, will be voting on subpoenas to subpoena @Jack Dorsey to come before our committee."


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