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The Great Zaganza 9th February 2018 01:12 AM

I'm sure John Kelly is on the shortlist to go:
He kept Porter on and, more importantly, made Trump look bad by forcing him to claim he didn't know about the lack of the security clearance.
Never mind dishonor - Kelly has probably committed a crime by letting Porter handle classified information.
Lock him up!

Octavo 9th February 2018 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12177195)
I'm sure John Kelly is on the shortlist to go:
He kept Porter on and, more importantly, made Trump look bad by forcing him to claim he didn't know about the lack of the security clearance.
Never mind dishonor - Kelly has probably committed a crime by letting Porter handle classified information.
Lock him up!

Come on, Porter was obviously just a coffee boy. How would you like it, if I illegally used the deep state to spy on your neighbour and then claim that because they're drug-dealers, you must be a pimp?

DEM LOGIC.

The Great Zaganza 9th February 2018 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Octavo (Post 12177209)
Come on, Porter was obviously just a coffee boy. How would you like it, if I illegally used the deep state to spy on your neighbour and then claim that because they're drug-dealers, you must be a pimp?

DEM LOGIC.

I bow to your superior legal analysis of the situation.
And I stand in awe of our President's ability to drink so much coffee that it takes a dozen people to deliver it.

alfaniner 9th February 2018 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12177195)
I'm sure John Kelly is on the shortlist to go:
He kept Porter on and, more importantly, made Trump look bad by forcing him to claim he didn't know about the lack of the security clearance.
Never mind dishonor - Kelly has probably committed a crime by letting Porter handle classified information.
Lock him up!

The only crime Kelly committed (in Trump's mind) is making him look bad.

Octavo 9th February 2018 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12177222)
I bow to your superior legal analysis of the situation.
And I stand in awe of our President's ability to drink so much coffee that it takes a dozen people to deliver it.

Well, I did read all the statutes, so that must make me a legal scholar now.

:boxedin:

Norman Alexander 9th February 2018 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12177226)
The only crime Kelly committed (in Trump's mind) is making him look bad.

Given that it is ALL about self-image, this is likely to be most truest. Completely covfefe, even.

dudalb 9th February 2018 12:05 PM

Hope Hicks might be on the list,since her passionate defense of her main squeeze Porter yesterday ,at a time when the theme of the White House was "Rob Who?" has not registered well with the President.

dudalb 9th February 2018 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12177226)
The only crime Kelly committed (in Trump's mind) is making him look bad.

As much as I despise Trump, making the President look bad is often a capital offense in most White Houses.

dudalb 9th February 2018 12:10 PM

I suspect somebody ..probably Hicks or Kelly...will be leaving soon;in a scandal as big as the cover up has become...with even Republicans saying the White House really blew it on this one....someone needs to be thrown to the wolves.

Beelzebuddy 9th February 2018 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12177666)
I suspect somebody ..probably Hicks or Kelly...will be leaving soon;in a scandal as big as the cover up has become...with even Republicans saying the White House really blew it on this one....someone needs to be thrown to the wolves.

If either, Kelly. Hicks is suspected to have been Trump's go-between for the Russia stuff (people would report to her with the understanding that she was relaying it to Trump), so she has too much dirt on Trump to get the sack.

phiwum 9th February 2018 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12177666)
I suspect somebody ..probably Hicks or Kelly...will be leaving soon;in a scandal as big as the cover up has become...with even Republicans saying the White House really blew it on this one....someone needs to be thrown to the wolves.

I don't know much, but Hicks has been a loyal supporter for a long time.

d4m10n 9th February 2018 01:03 PM

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/09/p...bus/index.html

https://twitter.com/snowdenlit/statu...54063083831299

Stacko 9th February 2018 02:20 PM

Kelly is making a strong case to be next.

Craig4 9th February 2018 03:21 PM

Yep, Whitehouse just denied Kelly offered to resign. He's out.

dudalb 9th February 2018 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 12177703)
I don't know much, but Hicks has been a loyal supporter for a long time.

And also the rumors she was a go between in the involment with Russia, and might just know too much to be fired...

dudalb 9th February 2018 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12177871)
Yep, Whitehouse just denied Kelly offered to resign. He's out.

Yeah, time to start a betting pool as to when.........

It's simple: when a story is this embarrassing,you need to toss someboy to the Wolves,and Kelly seems to be the natural choice.

Dr. Keith 9th February 2018 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12177883)
Yeah, time to start a betting pool as to when.........

It's simple: when a story is this embarrassing,you need to toss someboy to the Wolves,and Kelly seems to be the natural choice.

The Wolves are getting so fat.

JPK 9th February 2018 04:30 PM

Good evening. Whether it's Kelly being thrown under the bus or Kelly throwing himself on his sword, it's very hard to believe that Trump was unaware that Porter was accused of the accusations. Only Trump could have cleared him to have access to the things he had without the security clearance. The White House Counsel, The Chief of Staff, Hope Hicks, and probably a dozen other people, including the POTUS, knew what was going on with Porter. The only reason we know about it is because of the story in the press. This administration would have been perfectly fine letting this situation continue forever. Ok, Pence probably didn't know because his only response to anything is "This is the first I've ever heard about this..."

quadraginta 9th February 2018 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12177666)
I suspect somebody ..probably Hicks or Kelly...will be leaving soon;in a scandal as big as the cover up has become...with even Republicans saying the White House really blew it on this one....someone needs to be thrown to the wolves.


Hicks 'and some aides' wrote a press release defending Porter at a time when it seemed like Porter was still in the White House's good graces. Their timing sucked. But press releases that keep Trump from looking bad are pretty much her portfolio, and it isn't clear to me that she knew Porter was definitely being dumped when she was involved in writing that press release. So of course it would defend him

Kelly allowed Porter to work there even though he had to have known that something hinky was going on, since the guy couldn't get a security clearance.

If he let him stay without even knowing whether or not he had a security clearance then he really needs to go.

quadraginta 9th February 2018 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 12177703)
Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12177666)
I suspect somebody ..probably Hicks or Kelly...will be leaving soon;in a scandal as big as the cover up has become...with even Republicans saying the White House really blew it on this one....someone needs to be thrown to the wolves.

I don't know much, but Hicks has been a loyal supporter for a long time.


It isn't clear to me that loyalty to Trump has proven to be a coin of much value as far as the Trump administration is concerned..

That and a dime will get you ten cents.

NoahFence 9th February 2018 08:22 PM

Next up, David Sorenson, speechwriter.

Domestic abuse

Trebuchet 9th February 2018 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12177996)
It isn't clear to me that loyalty to Trump has proven to be a coin of much value as far as the Trump administration is concerned..

That and a dime will get you ten cents.

With Trump, loyalty is never a two-way street. He's loyal only to his ego. Anyone loyal to him eventually gets stabbed in the back.

The Great Zaganza 9th February 2018 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 12178085)
Next up, David Sorenson, speechwriter.

Domestic abuse

Draining the swamp?

Skeptic Ginger 9th February 2018 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12177222)
I bow to your superior legal analysis of the situation.
And I stand in awe of our President's ability to drink so much coffee that it takes a dozen people to deliver it.

:D

Skeptic Ginger 9th February 2018 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12177226)
The only crime Kelly committed (in Trump's mind) is making him look bad.

I think it's all part of Trump's imaginary world. Trump screws up dozens of times a day and some of those screwups garner him negative publicity. When they happens his reality shifts into blame someone mode. If the news media talks about Kelly screwing up and conveniently only mentions in passing, Trump obviously knew, well there you go, Trump's reality shifts to Kelly's to blame.

Skeptic Ginger 9th February 2018 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JPK (Post 12177926)
Good evening. Whether it's Kelly being thrown under the bus or Kelly throwing himself on his sword, it's very hard to believe that Trump was unaware that Porter was accused of the accusations. Only Trump could have cleared him to have access to the things he had without the security clearance. The White House Counsel, The Chief of Staff, Hope Hicks, and probably a dozen other people, including the POTUS, knew what was going on with Porter. The only reason we know about it is because of the story in the press. This administration would have been perfectly fine letting this situation continue forever. Ok, Pence probably didn't know because his only response to anything is "This is the first I've ever heard about this..."

Of course they all knew, but the MSM are such wimps when it comes to calling these jerks out on their lies.

Pence, OTOH, is making a great effort to distance himself from the whole crowd. He makes a conscious effort to appear left out in the dark. He did, however, know about Flynn and the whole 'lied to Pence' story was proven false because Yates had informed Pence. That was another lie the MSN allowed to go unchallenged as they repeated (after it was known Yates had informed Pence among others) that Flynn like to Pence.

Pence is counting the days to Trump's impeachment.

The Don 9th February 2018 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 12178106)
Pence is counting the days to Trump's impeachment.

IMO he's going to be disappointed then because it won't happen.

The Great Zaganza 10th February 2018 12:21 AM

IMO, Pence is too hard not to get noticed.

The Don 10th February 2018 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12178181)
IMO, Pence is too hard not to get noticed.

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww !

The Great Zaganza 10th February 2018 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 12178185)
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww !

Freudian slip.
Sue me.

Craig4 10th February 2018 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12178181)
IMO, Pence is too hard not to get noticed.

Is that a very firm vice president you've got there or are you just happy to see me?

TheL8Elvis 10th February 2018 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12178181)
IMO, Pence is too hard not to get noticed.

Mother will be so happy. :jaw-dropp

d4m10n 10th February 2018 09:14 AM

https://goo.gl/images/zb1D3Y

jimbob 10th February 2018 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12178389)

Not Safe for dinnertime

dudalb 10th February 2018 02:39 PM

Trump basically called the Metoo movement a bunch of liars in a tweet today.

d4m10n 10th February 2018 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12178689)
Trump basically called the Metoo movement a bunch of liars in a tweet today.

Luckily, none of them voted for him.

Poor Hope Hicks, though, about to be exiled from Stockholm.

Darat 10th February 2018 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12177226)
The only crime Kelly committed (in Trump's mind) is making him look bad.

That is the only crime as far as Trump is concerned.

ponderingturtle 13th February 2018 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPK (Post 12177926)
Good evening. Whether it's Kelly being thrown under the bus or Kelly throwing himself on his sword, it's very hard to believe that Trump was unaware that Porter was accused of the accusations. Only Trump could have cleared him to have access to the things he had without the security clearance.

The problem here is that you have to remember how arrogant and aggressively stupid and uninformed Trump is. Lots of his closest staff can not get real security clearances like Kushner. So why is Trump going to care about one more?

d4m10n 13th February 2018 12:00 PM

FBI weighs in.

https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-...-idUSKCN1FX27D

TheL8Elvis 13th February 2018 12:08 PM

So who is next then ? Will it be Kelly ?

This 'controversy' has actually managed to go from last week into this week, and the cable news is still beating the drum about it.

I get the feeling someone else is going to have to pay the price for this, and I am going to guess that someone is going to be Kelly.

Also, Tillerson did his year, I'll predict he'll be gone soon of his own accord.


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