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This is The End 28th February 2018 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Loss Leader (Post 12200664)
My best guess is that, in connection with her testimony yesterday, she told her lawyers something incriminating and they advised her she had to quit.


Ding, ding, ding!!


If you spend several hours in front of the House Intelligence Committee and the very next day quit your job. It's related. Hard to sell "huge coincidence" on that one.

I believe it has come out that during that testimony she admitted to having often told white lies for Trump. But never about anything important.

Gotta love the contradiction there. If it wasn't ever about anything important... why do it?

quadraginta 28th February 2018 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by This is The End (Post 12200746)
Ding, ding, ding!!


If you spend several hours in front of the House Intelligence Committee and the very next day quit your job. It's related. Hard to sell "huge coincidence" on that one.

I believe it has come out that during that testimony she admitted to having often told white lies for Trump. But never about anything important.

Gotta love the contradiction there. If it wasn't ever about anything important... why do it?


That doesn't stop them from trying;
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Multiple White House aides said that Ms. Hicks’s departure was unrelated to her appearance before the committee. They said that she had told a small group of people in the days before the session that she had planned to leave her job.

Trebuchet 28th February 2018 06:34 PM

Perhaps TheDonald was getting a bit too handsy and her boyfriend was no longer there to obstruct.

Norman Alexander 28th February 2018 07:19 PM

She knows where the bodies are buried. Probably helped bury a few of them herself. And after talks with her lawyer and then stonewalling badly in front of the HIC, she has finally realised she is in a bad, bad place and needs to get out while the going is good. Alternative theory: she may have realised she has less to lose by resigning. Expect her to travel to somewhere the USA can't extradite her from.

No, it isn't coincidental that the HIC appearance immediately preceded her resignation.

Cl1mh4224rd 28th February 2018 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12200826)
That doesn't stop them from trying;
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Multiple White House aides said that Ms. Hicksís departure was unrelated to her appearance before the committee. They said that she had told a small group of people in the days before the session that she had planned to leave her job.


Ha. Days! I mean, who could possibly know days ahead of a testimony that what they're likely to say in that testimony would make it extremely difficult if not impossible to remain in their current job?

This is The End 28th February 2018 10:38 PM

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Multiple White House aides said that Ms. Hicksís departure was unrelated to her appearance before the committee. They said that she had told a small group of people in the days before the session that she had planned to leave her job.

That small group of people probably consisted of nobody, a ghost, and a cat. And the cat refuses to back her up.

quadraginta 28th February 2018 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd (Post 12200970)
Ha. Days! I mean, who could possibly know days ahead of a testimony that what they're likely to say in that testimony would make it extremely difficult if not impossible to remain in their current job?


That's from other people. Her story is she had been contemplating it for months.

Jim_MDP 28th February 2018 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by This is The End (Post 12201010)
That small group of people probably consisted of nobody, a ghost, and a cat. And the cat refuses to back her up.

That's cats for ya... no real loyalty at all.

OMG... Trump is cat people! [emoji14]

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Lurch 1st March 2018 01:13 AM

It's being reported that after her testimony in which she admitted telling "white lies", Trump upbraided her, that being perhaps the proverbial last straw.

Crossbow 1st March 2018 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12200614)
Hicks is out, now everybody is reporting it.
Like putting a model who had no Public Relations or News experience as communications director was a good idea....
Not meant to be a slur on models, but still..

Gee whiz!

When one of Trump's favorite lackeys gets the boot, then it clearly shows just what a total cluster "something censored" the White House has been since 12:00 PM EST 20 JAN 2017.

ponderingturtle 1st March 2018 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Loss Leader (Post 12200630)
In a thousand years, I wouldn't have guessed Hope Hicks.

Yea but then she admitted to lying and he can not accept that.

Crossbow 1st March 2018 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 12201320)
Yea but then she admitted to lying and he can not accept that.

You are quite right.

Hope Hicks should have used a more elaborate term like "alternative truths" instead.

Belz... 1st March 2018 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12198637)
One of the best descriptions of Trump I have read is "A Weak man's fantasy of a Strong man".

Succint and accurate.

Darat 1st March 2018 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 12201098)
It's being reported that after her testimony in which she admitted telling "white lies", Trump upbraided her, that being perhaps the proverbial last straw.

I bet he did - admitting you lied! That's a terrible sin in the church of Trump.

dudalb 1st March 2018 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 12201311)
Gee whiz!

When one of Trump's favorite lackeys gets the boot, then it clearly shows just what a total cluster "something censored" the White House has been since 12:00 PM EST 20 JAN 2017.

I can see wanting to surround yourself with people you can trust,and who have some loyalty, but for heaven's sake be sure they are competent to do the job you are hiring them for. Trump seems unable to do that.

Dr. Keith 1st March 2018 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12201974)
I can see wanting to surround yourself with people you can trust,and who have some loyalty, but for heaven's sake be sure they are competent to do the job you are hiring them for. Trump seems unable to do that.

I saw a news bit discussing some internal turmoil around him wanting to hire his private pilot to run the FAA. Here is the first article I found.

TheL8Elvis 1st March 2018 02:49 PM

Up next, HR Mcmaster.... ? Looking that way.

Will the last adult in the room please turn the lights off on the way out ?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/whit...-nbc-news.html


White House preparing for exit of national security advisor HR McMaster: NBC News
The White House could replace national security advisor H.R. McMaster as early as next month, NBC News reports.
Ford executive Stephen Biegun is among McMaster's possible replacements, according to NBC
.

Craig4 1st March 2018 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis (Post 12202044)
Up next, HR Mcmaster.... ? Looking that way.

Will the last adult in the room please turn the lights off on the way out ?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/whit...-nbc-news.html


White House preparing for exit of national security advisor HR McMaster: NBC News
The White House could replace national security advisor H.R. McMaster as early as next month, NBC News reports.
Ford executive Stephen Biegun is among McMaster's possible replacements, according to NBC
.

He's still has lots of years ahead if him. Why would he throw it all away to work for a Russian Whore?

alfaniner 1st March 2018 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 12201311)
...it clearly shows just what a total cluster "something censored" the White House has been since 12:00 PM EST 20 JAN 2017.

It still surprises me that some people are waking up to this only now (and that many have not, yet).

dudalb 1st March 2018 05:02 PM

Reports that some of his economic advisors might well quit over his Tarifff decision,rather then be blamed for the economic train wreck that is coming....

Giordano 1st March 2018 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12201974)
I can see wanting to surround yourself with people you can trust,and who have some loyalty, but for heaven's sake be sure they are competent to do the job you are hiring them for. Trump seems unable to do that.

Even more so: a truly clever leader includes in their inner circle at least a few people who are not only competent, but are also willing to actively disagree with them, to point out the possible negatives in any policy proposed, and to propose alternative ideas.

It is easier to surround yourself with ego-stroking yes-people, but very dangerous to make policy in a hall of mirrors where everyone is just trying to please the big boss.

Needless-to-say I am not expecting Trump to recognize the value of having advisors who will disagree with him.

CORed 1st March 2018 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 12201098)
It's being reported that after her testimony in which she admitted telling "white lies", Trump upbraided her, that being perhaps the proverbial last straw.

Typical Trump administration tactic. Keep telling different lies until the media gets bored with debunking them.

kellyb 1st March 2018 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 12202187)
Even more so: a truly clever leader includes in their inner circle at least a few people who are not only competent, but are also willing to actively disagree with them, to point out the possible negatives in any policy proposed, and to propose alternative ideas.

It is easier to surround yourself with ego-stroking yes-people, but very dangerous to make policy in a hall of mirrors where everyone is just trying to please the big boss.

Needless-to-say I am not expecting Trump to recognize the value of having advisors who will disagree with him.

Right.
It appears that for Trump, only yes-people will fit the bill for people he will trust, rendering "competent" and "trustworthy" mutually exclusive categories, as a general rule.

dudalb 1st March 2018 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 12202187)
Even more so: a truly clever leader includes in their inner circle at least a few people who are not only competent, but are also willing to actively disagree with them, to point out the possible negatives in any policy proposed, and to propose alternative ideas.

It is easier to surround yourself with ego-stroking yes-people, but very dangerous to make policy in a hall of mirrors where everyone is just trying to please the big boss.

Needless-to-say I am not expecting Trump to recognize the value of having advisors who will disagree with him.

What you say here is pretty much standard in any Business Management 1A course:that surrounding yourself with Yes Men leads to disaster.
Another reason why people who claim Trump is a great businessman are ignorant .

dudalb 1st March 2018 05:47 PM

Surrounds himself with sychophants who are afraid to disagree with him.
Increasingly Isolated from all but his his most boot licking sycophants.
Rejecting reality when it clashes with his ideological obssesions.
Finding "traitors" everywhere.
Turning on people who were once his allies.
Now who does that remind you of in his last days?

kellyb 1st March 2018 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12202214)
Surrounds himself with sychophants who are afraid to disagree with him.
Increasingly Isolated from all but his his most boot licking sycophants.
Rejecting reality when it clashes with his ideological obssesions.
Finding "traitors" everywhere.
Turning on people who were once his allies.
Now who does that remind you of in his last days?

Does Trump have ideological obsessions (plural), or just himself as King S*** as his exclusive ideological obsession?

dudalb 1st March 2018 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kellyb (Post 12202217)
Does Trump have ideological obsessions (plural), or just himself as King S*** as his exclusive ideological obsession?

I think it is pretty clear his does have some ideological obssesions..immigrants are basically bad being one of them.

kellyb 1st March 2018 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12202222)
I think it is pretty clear his does have some ideological obssesions..immigrants are basically bad being one of them.

I kinda think he just fakes hatred of immigrants to pander to his bigot base.

d4m10n 1st March 2018 07:25 PM

Whoa

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/969317139919392768

DevilsAdvocate 1st March 2018 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 12201337)
You are quite right.

Hope Hicks should have used a more elaborate term like "alternative truths" instead.

You are confusing your alternative facts with hyperbolic truths. :D

Skeptic Ginger 1st March 2018 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Loss Leader (Post 12200664)
I have this fantasy that she resigned because Mueller flipped her, but I think that's unlikely. My best guess is that, in connection with her testimony yesterday, she told her lawyers something incriminating and they advised her she had to quit.

You give the lot of them too much credit for maturity.

Speculating: Her boyfriend was canned. Probably led to some tension. Trump's pressures are mounting. He's been yelling at everyone, surely he shouted at Hicks. She's been grumbling not used to not being in a snowflake role. She gets back from the Mueller interrogation, it's leaked about the admission of white lies, Trump is his unable to control himself mood yells some more at poor little Hicks and she says, fine I quit.

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Originally Posted by kellyb (Post 12200610)
Sessions will go before Jarod, is my bet.

Sessions and Rosenstein apparently made a conspicuous public appearance at a restaurant across from Trump's hotel. That suggests they are teaming up and taking advantage of the turmoil to let Trump no they aren't going anywhere and he can't fire them.

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12200846)
Perhaps TheDonald was getting a bit too handsy and her boyfriend was no longer there to obstruct.

Doubtful. He's too angry right now. His widdle world is crashing down.

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12202150)
He's still has lots of years ahead if him. Why would he throw it all away to work for a Russian Whore?

Maybe McMasters is drawing the line at corruption akin to treason.

Apparently it was news to McMaster that Kushner had all those meetings with foreigners just before they loaned Kushner millions.

At least that's what the article in the WA Po suggests: Kushnerís overseas contacts raise concerns as foreign officials seek leverage
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H.R. McMaster, President Trumpís national security adviser, learned that Kushner had contacts with foreign officials that he did not coordinate through the National Security Council or officially report.

Trebuchet 1st March 2018 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12202222)
I think it is pretty clear his does have some ideological obssesions..immigrants are basically bad being one of them.

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Originally Posted by kellyb (Post 12202236)
I kinda think he just fakes hatred of immigrants to pander to his bigot base.

He has, after all, married two of them. Hot Eastern European immigrants = good. Filthy Mexicans = bad.

Skeptic Ginger 1st March 2018 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12202292)

Well that certainly adds another layer. :p

The Great Zaganza 1st March 2018 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 12202297)
Well that certainly adds another layer. :p

Looks like Kelly wants to be president.

Craig4 1st March 2018 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12202292)

That surprises me. I don't know much about Kelly but I'd have thought Mattis and McMaster were kindred spirits. They are both well known for being scholar generals. I wonder if this was a hostage rescue on the part of the CoS and SECDEF or he got on the outs with the two former four stars for advocating a "bloody nose" strike on North Korea. I don't believe either of them were in favor of that course of action.

Craig4 1st March 2018 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12202296)
He has, after all, married two of them. Hot Eastern European immigrants = good. Filthy Mexicans = bad.

I suspect that if all his indiscretions with undocumented pretty young house keepers were brought to term there'd be a global onesie shortage.

dudalb 1st March 2018 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kellyb (Post 12202236)
I kinda think he just fakes hatred of immigrants to pander to his bigot base.


And people though that Hitler's rants against the Jews were just for political purposes.
I have come to think that if someone says bigoted things and acts like a bigot, it is safest to think he is a bigot.

dudalb 1st March 2018 11:42 PM

More reports on CNN tonight that Trump's main economic advisor might well quit over the Tariff.
And the Wall Street Journal blasted Trump for his tariffs, calling it the worst policy decision of his presidency so far. In terms of damaging the economy, they well might be right.

dudalb 1st March 2018 11:43 PM

And rumors that McMasters already has a job offer from the Hoover institute, a very highly though of and respected think tank with offices in DC and Stanford.

kellyb 1st March 2018 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12202443)
And people though that Hitler's rants against the Jews were just for political purposes.
I have come to think that if someone says bigoted things and acts like a bigot, it is safest to think he is a bigot.

He's functionally indistinguishable from an ideologue type of bigot in terms of behavior, and really, anyone who's not part of his family or fan club is s*** as far as he's concerned, so it doesn't really matter.


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