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Oystein 31st July 2017 01:41 PM

If Kelly has any self-respect, he made a demotion of the Mooch (demoochen) a condition of taking the Chief of Staff helm.

Kelly also ought to have other conditions. One being: Mr. President, stop shooting off your brainfarts unchecked! A WP comment suggested the following: Make it clear to the President that Kelly will step down immediately the moment Trump twitters the first demonstrable lie.

And because Trump cannot be counted on to keep promises and show some of the discipline a general would expect, I say Kelly is next.

a_unique_person 31st July 2017 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 11940298)
I think none of us were expecting Mooch to last long,but out after ten freaking days?????

It almost looks like Trump appointing him was a mistake.

Belz... 31st July 2017 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 11940253)
The White House is getting more like Game of Thrones everyday....

Nonsense. Game of Thrones characters are cool.

Mikemcc 31st July 2017 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 11940483)
It almost looks like Trump appointing him was a mistake.

Which makes Trumps suitability for office look like...?

fuelair 31st July 2017 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 11938177)
Mooch

You called it!!!!!:D:D:thumbsup:

Trebuchet 31st July 2017 05:05 PM

Scaramouche's departure must just about be setting a record for being mentioned in the most ISF threads, including at least two new ones. Only the best for Trump!

d4m10n 1st August 2017 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Oystein (Post 11940370)
Kelly also ought to have other conditions. One being: Mr. President, stop shooting off your brainfarts unchecked!

Hypothesis disconfirmed.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...83242535481344

Oystein 1st August 2017 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11941353)

Why would Trump tweet this the day Kelly took office? Perhaps because it IS a topic of contention? ;)

I didn't say Kelly ought to demand that Trump stops using Twitter. I said he ought to demand that Trump does not shoot off on Twitter unchecked. This tweet then would toe that line if Trump ran it past Kelly :D

CORed 3rd August 2017 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 11939436)
Please explain how such a law would be constitutionally dubious. I also don't see how he could take him off the case or fire him. Also Constitutionally speaking enforcement power is entrusted to Congress. Congress has empowered the President to nominate an Attorney General with consent of the Congress. This is NOT in the Constitution. If Congress wanted it could remove the President entirely from the process. It would just have to pass legislation.

It's constitutionally dubious because the Justice Department (and any special prosecutors appointed under its authority) is part of the Executive branch, for which the President has constitutional authority to fire appointees. And your misunderstanding notwithstanding, the appointment of the Attorney General, and the requirement that the appointment be approved by the Senate (not the full Congress) is covered by Article II of the Constitution.

dudalb 3rd August 2017 02:00 PM

As one wag said,who will be the next to be evacuated from Donkirk?

Craig4 3rd August 2017 05:45 PM

I'm betting Kushner will go back to run the family business. He won't adjust well to Kelly and more will come out about his talks with the Russians. Between Kelly running the show and a soon to come series of revelations about Jared and Russia he'll leave or get forced out.

Stacko 3rd August 2017 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11944409)
I'm betting Kushner will go back to run the family business. He won't adjust well to Kelly and more will come out about his talks with the Russians. Between Kelly running the show and a soon to come series of revelations about Jared and Russia he'll leave or get forced out.

Who will do all the work if he leaves? The Orange Menace put him in charge of almost everything.

d4m10n 3rd August 2017 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11944409)
I'm betting Kushner will go back to run the family business. He won't adjust well to Kelly and more will come out about his talks with the Russians. Between Kelly running the show and a soon to come series of revelations about Jared and Russia he'll leave or get forced out.

Interesting choice, given the broad scope of Jared's portfolio.

quadraginta 4th August 2017 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 11940276)
I think Tillerson. I think there are enough people to talk trump out of firing Sessions for having pretending to have some ethics. So unless maybe his kids get indicted I don't see Sessions going anywhere

FTFY.

Sessions was dragged kicking and screaming into his (sort of) recusal. I don't think he deserves a lot of credit for the ethical virtue of the decision.

Craig4 4th August 2017 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11944414)
Interesting choice, given the broad scope of Jared's portfolio.

But the Hair doesn't think about the consequences of his actions. If he did, he wouldn't have colluded with the Russians.

d4m10n 4th August 2017 04:44 AM

Never forget all those who have already fallen from grace...

https://twitter.com/BlueBallSkeptic/...08922152247296

Oystein 4th August 2017 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11944823)
But the Hair doesn't think about the consequences of his actions. If he did, he wouldn't have colluded with the Russians.

What consequences? Jared spent his time so far learning about the Middle East, and recently reported that he has by now figured out that it is a very complex situation.

The replacement might conceivably know this already, and thus pick up where Kuchner leaves.

Giordano 4th August 2017 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11944901)
Never forget all those who have already fallen from grace...

https://twitter.com/BlueBallSkeptic/...08922152247296

Let us all observe a moment of silence in respect of these great souls who have fallen while serving our country... oh hell, I just couldn't stop laughing!

d4m10n 4th August 2017 07:26 AM

I'm actually a bit sad about Yates and Comey. [emoji26]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e216ae4f28.jpg

ddt 4th August 2017 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CORed (Post 11944162)
It's constitutionally dubious because the Justice Department (and any special prosecutors appointed under its authority) is part of the Executive branch, for which the President has constitutional authority to fire appointees. And your misunderstanding notwithstanding, the appointment of the Attorney General, and the requirement that the appointment be approved by the Senate (not the full Congress) is covered by Article II of the Constitution.

History begs to differ here. In the wake of Watergate and the Saturday Night Massacre, Congress instituted the Office of Independent Counsel, which existed until 1999:
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The prosecutor, who was appointed by a special panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, could investigate allegations of any misconduct, with an unlimited budget and no deadline, and could be dismissed only by the Attorney General for "good cause" or by the special panel of the court when the independent counsel's task was completed. As the president could not dismiss those investigating the executive branch it was felt that the independence of the office would ensure impartiality of any reports presented to Congress. However, there have been many critics of this law including Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.[1] Many argued the new Independent Counsel's office was a sort of "fourth branch" of government that had virtually unlimited powers and was answerable to no one. However, the constitutionality of the new office was ultimately upheld in the 1988 Supreme Court case Morrison v. Olson.
All Congress has to do is to re-instate the provisions from the Ethics in Government Act which instituted it.

dudalb 4th August 2017 02:19 PM

And Bannon seems to have fallen into disfavor with Stephan Miller now probably the most powerful member of the Nationalist wing of the White House.
Looks like Bannon;s declaration that he was another Thomas Cromwell might come true considering what happened to Cromwell when Henry the Eight got tired of him and felt he was too powerful....

zorro99 7th August 2017 06:49 AM

Evidently Trump's base as exemplified by Breitbart are mad at General McMaster.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...-nuclear-deal/

Civet 7th August 2017 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by zorro99 (Post 11947504)
Evidently Trump's base as exemplified by Breitbart are mad at General McMaster.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...-nuclear-deal/

Alt-right's been sharpening their knives for McMaster for a while. I consider it a good sign that my early enthusiasm for his hiring was not misplaced. Media Matters has a story defending him and claiming, among other things, that Russian bots are pushing a #FireMcMaster hashtag. No idea if that's true. Interesting claim, though.

d4m10n 7th August 2017 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by zorro99 (Post 11947504)
Evidently Trump's base as exemplified by Breitbart are mad at General McMaster.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...-nuclear-deal/

Sort of last week's news now.

Anti-McMaster narrative was heavily pushed by bots:
https://twitter.com/HenHokie/status/893582911949213698

Then they let it go, after POTUS reaffirmed his support for the NSA:
https://twitter.com/qjurecic/status/894303712121892865

Not sure why Russia wanted to test this line out. Do they hold a grudge against Susan Rice?

p.s. I'm changing my bet to Tillerson.

Arcade22 9th August 2017 07:17 AM

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d4m10n 9th August 2017 12:31 PM

Changing my vote (again) to Kelly.

https://twitter.com/allahpundit/stat...71457986621440

dudalb 9th August 2017 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11950674)

First crack in Kelly's wall.....

The Great Zaganza 9th August 2017 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11950674)

Sorry, but Kelly is not in the Chain of Command for the Nuclear Twitter Codes.

Craig4 10th August 2017 05:20 AM

I'm still going with Kushner. The FBI seized documents in the raid on Manafort's home related to the meeting with the representatives of the Russian government. That means there's something there. Getting him out of the White House will become crucial soon. He's the only person in the administration (that we know of now) who was at that meeting and that's where the collusion began.

quadraginta 10th August 2017 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11951421)
I'm still going with Kushner. The FBI seized documents in the raid on Manafort's home related to the meeting with the representatives of the Russian government. That means there's something there. Getting him out of the White House will become crucial soon. He's the only person in the administration (that we know of now) who was at that meeting and that's where the that collusion began.


FTFY.

Darat 10th August 2017 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 11944413)
Who will do all the work if he leaves? The Orange Menace put him in charge of almost everything.

The evidence is that like many top executives of his type he doesn't actually do anything. Probably better replacing him with a magic-8-ball, at least that has a chance of being right about something.

Hellbound 10th August 2017 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 11951460)
The evidence is that like many top executives of his type he doesn't actually do anything. Probably better replacing him with a magic-8-ball, at least that has a chance of being right about something.

Oh man, I want the executives you've had. I'd love it if our top execs didn't do anything.

Instead, they do things that make no sense because they confuse position with expertise.

ponderingturtle 10th August 2017 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11951421)
I'm still going with Kushner. The FBI seized documents in the raid on Manafort's home related to the meeting with the representatives of the Russian government. That means there's something there. Getting him out of the White House will become crucial soon. He's the only person in the administration (that we know of now) who was at that meeting and that's where the collusion began.

That seems unlikely, we are going to have more turn over before any indictment against him could play out and family or at least his kids seems to be the one thing trump might be loyal to.

The Great Zaganza 10th August 2017 08:56 AM

Mattis and/or McMasters.

It looks like some leakers are pushing the North Korea situation (RE: miniaturized nuclear warhead) to help Trump by distracting form the Russia investigation.
If it looks like this could work, Trump might as well look to bomb North Korea, which (hopefully) the Generals won't support.

If Mattis and/or McMasters are forced out you better sell all your shares in Korean companies.

Beelzebuddy 10th August 2017 10:42 AM

I'm leaving my chip on Sessions. He's already crossed Trump, his firing would be slightly less contentious than firing Mueller directly, Trump's already tried bullying him out, so IMO it's just a matter of time and sufficient distraction until Trump feels safe firing him.

d4m10n 10th August 2017 11:20 AM

Sessions is getting cover from his brethren in the Senate, who would have to confirm his replacement.

Beelzebuddy 10th August 2017 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11951891)
Sessions is getting cover from his brethren in the Senate, who would have to confirm his replacement.

Trump is currently feuding with McConnell. It would be entirely characteristic of him, and would give him a fig leaf of plausible deniability, to fire Sessions in retaliation.

Stacko 10th August 2017 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 11951953)
Trump is currently feuding with McConnell. It would be entirely characteristic of him, and would give him a fig leaf of plausible deniability, to fire Sessions in retaliation.

Is he aware of who his Secretary of Transportation is?

Trebuchet 10th August 2017 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 11951953)
Trump is currently feuding with McConnell. It would be entirely characteristic of him, and would give him a fig leaf of plausible deniability, to fire Sessions in retaliation.

I'm waiting for him to try to fire McConnell. Who's going to tell him he can't?

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 11951971)
Is he aware of who his Secretary of Transportation is?

Elaine Chao, but somehow your point has gone whooshing over my head. Is he going to have someone transported to Australia?

Stacko 10th August 2017 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 11952013)
Elaine Chao, but somehow your point has gone whooshing over my head. Is he going to have someone transported to Australia?

Look up her spouse.


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