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TheL8Elvis 15th March 2018 06:53 AM

OK,back on topic ...

https://twitter.com/BillKristol
@BillKristol 16h16 hours ago
This is RUMINT, but pretty credible RUMINT: Trump preparing to fire Sessions, name Pruitt Acting AG (which he can be since he already holds a Senate confirmed position), and Pruitt fires Mueller. And McMaster likely to be replaced by Bolton. Shulkin also on way out, FWIW.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...osition-326373
Scott Pruitt, the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, has told friends and associates that he’s interested in becoming attorney general, according to three people familiar with the internal discussions.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...red-and-ivanka
Perhaps most consequential for Robert Mueller’s investigation, sources said Trump has discussed a plan to fire Attorney General Jeff Sessions. According to two Republicans in regular contact with the White House, there have been talks that Trump could replace Sessions with E.P.A. Administrator Scott Pruitt, who would not be recused from overseeing the Russia probe. Also, as an agency head and former state attorney general, Pruitt would presumably have a good shot at passing a Senate confirmation hearing.

ponderingturtle 15th March 2018 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis (Post 12218782)
OK,back on topic ...

https://twitter.com/BillKristol
@BillKristol 16h16 hours ago
This is RUMINT, but pretty credible RUMINT: Trump preparing to fire Sessions, name Pruitt Acting AG (which he can be since he already holds a Senate confirmed position), and Pruitt fires Mueller. And McMaster likely to be replaced by Bolton. Shulkin also on way out, FWIW.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...osition-326373
Scott Pruitt, the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, has told friends and associates that he’s interested in becoming attorney general, according to three people familiar with the internal discussions.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...red-and-ivanka
Perhaps most consequential for Robert Mueller’s investigation, sources said Trump has discussed a plan to fire Attorney General Jeff Sessions. According to two Republicans in regular contact with the White House, there have been talks that Trump could replace Sessions with E.P.A. Administrator Scott Pruitt, who would not be recused from overseeing the Russia probe. Also, as an agency head and former state attorney general, Pruitt would presumably have a good shot at passing a Senate confirmation hearing.

Hmm so would republicans care if Trump fired Mueller or would they hold up the house "investigation" as their cover and shut down all investigations?

ddt 15th March 2018 07:18 AM

So when is Congress going to pass that legislation that protects Mueller?

The Great Zaganza 15th March 2018 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddt (Post 12218809)
So when is Congress going to pass that legislation that protects Mueller?

The GOP is following the 4 stage strategy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSD1d-6P6qI

ddt 15th March 2018 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12218855)
The GOP is following the 4 stage strategy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSD1d-6P6qI

:D I'm afraid you're right.

C_Felix 15th March 2018 07:13 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...adviser-report

Reports that NSA Adviser McMaster is gonna get canned.

Cl1mh4224rd 15th March 2018 07:20 PM

March Madness...

Norman Alexander 15th March 2018 07:54 PM

I was going to post a series of "You're Fired!" memes, but the irony has long been overwhelmed by the sheer idiocy.

portlandatheist 15th March 2018 08:44 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/15/polit...ent/index.html
much stable
very genius

Norman Alexander 15th March 2018 10:07 PM

Sarah Sanders has denied any changes with McMaster...


He is probably packing his bags and looking at the Want ads right now.

Norman Alexander 15th March 2018 11:14 PM

Also, this may be a separate topic, but may be relevant here too.

When do you think Trump's cabinet and staff are going to stand up when he announces one of these ludicrous decisions and say "Nope, you're not firing us and we won't go. Go hang, we're going to run the country sanely instead of pandering to your silly whims."

ddt 16th March 2018 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12219945)
Also, this may be a separate topic, but may be relevant here too.

When do you think Trump's cabinet and staff are going to stand up when he announces one of these ludicrous decisions and say "Nope, you're not firing us and we won't go. Go hang, we're going to run the country sanely instead of pandering to your silly whims."

How could they? They all serve at his pleasure, and he can fire them on a whim. The only exception is the VP.

And in your country, the UK, it's similar: May can drastically re-arrange her cabinet on a rainy Sunday afternoon, without anyone else's input or veto. Even worse, actually, as May doesn't need anyone's approval for a new appointment, while US cabinet appointments need Senate approval.

C_Felix 16th March 2018 07:09 AM

We should have made Bingo cards for this WH Survivor thingy.

Pixel42 16th March 2018 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ddt (Post 12220308)
And in your country, the UK, it's similar: May can drastically re-arrange her cabinet on a rainy Sunday afternoon, without anyone else's input or veto. Even worse, actually, as May doesn't need anyone's approval for a new appointment, while US cabinet appointments need Senate approval.

Cabinet members have to be members of parliament, though. She can't just appoint her daughter or her golf caddy. Even appointing a member of the House of Lords rather than the Commons will raise an eyebrow.

ddt 16th March 2018 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pixel42 (Post 12220331)
Cabinet members have to be members of parliament, though. She can't just appoint her daughter or her golf caddy. Even appointing a member of the House of Lords rather than the Commons will raise an eyebrow.

Fair enough, my point was only with the cabinet members serving at the POTUS' resp. UK PM's pleasure.

Two nitpicks:
1) POTUS cannot appoint family members, a law against that was passed after JFK having RFK as AG. Javanka now are only WH advisors, not cabinet members.
2) In the UK, doesn't have every ministry also a Lord as junior minister who can defend the government bills in the House of Lords?

Crossbow 16th March 2018 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12219945)
Also, this may be a separate topic, but may be relevant here too.

When do you think Trump's cabinet and staff are going to stand up when he announces one of these ludicrous decisions and say "Nope, you're not firing us and we won't go. Go hang, we're going to run the country sanely instead of pandering to your silly whims."

While such a thing would be quite noble, however it is quite impractical as well.

After all, like it or not, Trump is the president with all of the powers that entails. Such as using Secret Service agents and/or the military elements to forcibly evict anyone around the president that he deems to be a physical threat of some sort.

phiwum 16th March 2018 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_Felix (Post 12220314)
We should have made Bingo cards for this WH Survivor thingy.

Brilliant!

dudalb 16th March 2018 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_Felix (Post 12220314)
We should have made Bingo cards for this WH Survivor thingy.

I prefer "March Madness" style brackets....

jimbob 16th March 2018 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by portlandatheist (Post 12219886)

Doge is an appropriate level of language for discussing Trump

dudalb 16th March 2018 02:08 PM

Kelly has just reassured White House Staff that the rumors of further upheaval at the White House are false.
Which means that much more upheavel will happen, and quickly.
And multiple sources are reporting that Trump really does to want bring many more TV celebs on board.
The insanity is just beginning.

Travis 17th March 2018 02:26 AM

"The best people"

You seriously wonder how broken a person would have to be to desire to be in this White House at this point.

The Great Zaganza 17th March 2018 03:00 AM

The only reason for Kelly to say that there will be no more firings is because he is next.

Beelzebuddy 17th March 2018 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12221262)
The only reason for Kelly to say that there will be no more firings is because he is next.

Nah, he's in it till the end. I know that because he was my pick in the dead pool.

Planigale 17th March 2018 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddt (Post 12220308)
How could they? They all serve at his pleasure, and he can fire them on a whim. The only exception is the VP.

And in your country, the UK, it's similar: May can drastically re-arrange her cabinet on a rainy Sunday afternoon, without anyone else's input or veto. Even worse, actually, as May doesn't need anyone's approval for a new appointment, while US cabinet appointments need Senate approval.

But the prime minister is in post only with the support of parliament. Firing a popular minister might result in the end of that prime minister's career - see Margaret Thatcher.

In coalition governments (less common in the UK than other parliamentary democracies) posts are often allocated by coalition parties not by the prime minister.

Norman Alexander 18th March 2018 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddt (Post 12220308)
How could they? They all serve at his pleasure, and he can fire them on a whim. The only exception is the VP.

You miss my point.

I asked when are people going to ignore Donny entirely, because it is clear that he is not even tangentially impinging on reality and all his actions are leading the USA down a dreadful path and everyone knows it. Because to continue to enact this lunatic's demands and orders purely because he has a badge that says "PREZ" on it smacks of the pathetic excuses at the end of WW2 for previous unconscionable behaviour: befehl ist befehl.

ddt 18th March 2018 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Planigale (Post 12221296)
But the prime minister is in post only with the support of parliament. Firing a popular minister might result in the end of that prime minister's career - see Margaret Thatcher.

Of course, the analogy breaks down somewhere. but yes, the consequences for a poor reshuffling are worse for the British PM who may lose their own job in the process, than for POTUS who sits out his 4 year term.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Planigale (Post 12221296)
In coalition governments (less common in the UK than other parliamentary democracies) posts are often allocated by coalition parties not by the prime minister.

Oh yes, and there may be differences too. Cameron could have theoretically fired Clegg on his own whim, because only the PM is appointed by the Queen - of course, it would have immediately cost him the coalition. In the NL, we just had a new FM appointed because the previous one resigned over having lied about meeting Putin in 2006. If PM Rutte had even tried to get a new pick appointed without consent from his coalition partners on the choice, the King would likely not even have installed the new candidate.

ddt 18th March 2018 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12219945)
Also, this may be a separate topic, but may be relevant here too.

When do you think Trump's cabinet and staff are going to stand up when he announces one of these ludicrous decisions and say "Nope, you're not firing us and we won't go. Go hang, we're going to run the country sanely instead of pandering to your silly whims."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12222385)
You miss my point.

I asked when are people going to ignore Donny entirely, because it is clear that he is not even tangentially impinging on reality and all his actions are leading the USA down a dreadful path and everyone knows it. Because to continue to enact this lunatic's demands and orders purely because he has a badge that says "PREZ" on it smacks of the pathetic excuses at the end of WW2 for previous unconscionable behaviour: befehl ist befehl.

Yes, you're right. I focused too much on the highlighted part. That part is not true, and in fact, Trump has, one year into his presidency, not even appointed half of the various posts (IIRC some 4,000) which he's supposed to do. There are still some posts as ambassador vacant, I think. The latter may in fact be a good thing, as a career diplomat as acting ambassador is thousand times better than a bald-faced liar like Pete Hoekstra.

Likewise, I think that many departments will simply run on if there's not a boss in charge, because it then comes down to the acting boss etc. and ultimately to career civil servants who plod along like the last 20 years.

As to the second part, yes, I fully agree with you. They should stand up to Trump and right-out say they'll ignore him and run the country as they think is right, until he fires them. I had the impression that Tillerson sort-of did that, except that it's hard to ignore when Trump also travels the world and meets other countries' leaders.

I wonder though why you dreamt up the adverb "sanely" with people like public school-hater DeVos on Education and climate change denier Pruitt on EPA?

Norman Alexander 18th March 2018 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddt (Post 12222437)
Yes, you're right. I focused too much on the highlighted part. That part is not true, and in fact, Trump has, one year into his presidency, not even appointed half of the various posts (IIRC some 4,000) which he's supposed to do. There are still some posts as ambassador vacant, I think. The latter may in fact be a good thing, as a career diplomat as acting ambassador is thousand times better than a bald-faced liar like Pete Hoekstra.

Likewise, I think that many departments will simply run on if there's not a boss in charge, because it then comes down to the acting boss etc. and ultimately to career civil servants who plod along like the last 20 years.

As to the second part, yes, I fully agree with you. They should stand up to Trump and right-out say they'll ignore him and run the country as they think is right, until he fires them. I had the impression that Tillerson sort-of did that, except that it's hard to ignore when Trump also travels the world and meets other countries' leaders.

I wonder though why you dreamt up the adverb "sanely" with people like public school-hater DeVos on Education and climate change denier Pruitt on EPA?

I've sort of seen this happen with a few companies run by dynastic families. Dear old Grandpa, who was the original founder and is still notionally the boss, has gone fairly la-la and he dribbles more these days. But he still gets to be CEO and sit on the Board meeting each week. There he issues all sorts of silly ideas and decisions, most of which would be illegal and/or plainly impractical.

In reality he is totally ignored, and the real running of the company gets done professionally by the staff outside the Boardroom without even telling Grandpa. None of Grandpa's idea are implemented, and he doesn't notice anyway. Everyone knows to nod yes to Grandpa to keep the old coot quiet and happy because it makes him think he is running the company!

Why can't the same be done to Donny? Just pretend he is king to keep him happy. That's all he really wants - to be acknowledged as "Da Boss". I'll bet it already does happen to some extent. All his hangers-on know how to keep the old bastard happy while getting in for their own personal cut.

Norman Alexander 18th March 2018 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddt (Post 12222437)
I wonder though why you dreamt up the adverb "sanely" with people like public school-hater DeVos on Education and climate change denier Pruitt on EPA?

Yes, good point. Depends on what you call "sane".

I guess you could say these people are "sane" enough to at least know that "cutlery" does not consist of greasy paper wrap or chicken leg bone.

But what I mean is someone who can actually follow due and legal process. Pence, for example, would behave sanely. His politics and goals would be disastrous, but you could at least expect he will not behave like an under-educated, ill-mannered, egocentric oaf in public.

a_unique_person 18th March 2018 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12222385)
You miss my point.

I asked when are people going to ignore Donny entirely, because it is clear that he is not even tangentially impinging on reality and all his actions are leading the USA down a dreadful path and everyone knows it. Because to continue to enact this lunatic's demands and orders purely because he has a badge that says "PREZ" on it smacks of the pathetic excuses at the end of WW2 for previous unconscionable behaviour: befehl ist befehl.

Most of his supporters already seem to have an active ignore filter in place. They just adjust it automatically as required.

I suppose the question could be when will they stop listening. As these threads show, no one seems to be able to do that. :)

a_unique_person 19th March 2018 01:02 AM

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/a-w...mccabe-firing/

A good commentary on the McCabe sacking. McCabe may well have deserved to be punished for misconduct. The behaviour of Trump however is just bizarre and an abuse of his position.

d4m10n 22nd March 2018 08:50 AM

Anyone have John Dowd in the pool?

Trebuchet 22nd March 2018 08:53 AM

A lawyer doesn't have to represent himself to have a fool for a client.

Norman Alexander 22nd March 2018 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12228210)
Anyone have John Dowd in the pool?

He "loves" the president but his arse is still going out the door. So it seems Donny demands more than love from his employees.

dudalb 22nd March 2018 01:12 PM

If Bolton does replace McMasters, the body bags will be coming home very quickly. Bolton has stated that the US needs to bomb a few more countries to regain respect...
I am not a pacifist by any means, but Bolton is just plain nuts.

jimbob 22nd March 2018 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12228620)
If Bolton does replace McMasters, the body bags will be coming home very quickly. Bolton has stated that the US needs to bomb a few more countries to regain respect...
I am not a pacifist by any means, but Bolton is just plain nuts.

I doubt anyone who has signatures turned on would think you a pacifist.

CapelDodger 22nd March 2018 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12228546)
He "loves" the president but his arse is still going out the door.

In the picture I've seen it appears to be a revolving door, and Dowd appears to have a face like a normal man's arse.

a_unique_person 22nd March 2018 03:57 PM

McMaster out Bolton in.

Worm 22nd March 2018 04:03 PM

Hmm.

March 16
Sarah Sanders:
"Just spoke to @POTUS and Gen. H.R. McMaster - contrary to reports they have a good working relationship and there are no changes at the NSC."

March 22
President Trump:
"I am pleased to announce that, effective 4/9/18, @AmbJohnBolton will be my new National Security Advisor. "

dudalb 22nd March 2018 04:07 PM

The Body Bags will start coming home soon with Bolton around.....


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