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a_unique_person 21st May 2020 10:24 PM

Not a good time to be an IG.

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Named the Pandemic Response Accountability Committee (PRAC), its membership includes inspectors-general, who were tasked with alerting the public about anything improper in the public health and economic response to the crisis.

In the past few weeks, three of the committee's watchdogs have been fired: Mitch Behm from the Transportation Department, Christi Grimm of the Department of Health and Human Services and the Pentagon's Glenn Fine.

Behm was*investigating a possible conflict of interest; Grimm had*reported severe shortages of medical supplies in hospitals; Fine was heading the group overseeing the massive stimulus package.

Trump claimed he had to act after receiving "reports of bias".

Analysis: Another scandal is engulfing Trump and it's got nothing to do with coronavirus
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-2...hdogs/12269124

Beelzebuddy 22nd May 2020 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13096965)
Douglas Loverro, NASA's deputy administrator for human spaceflight. The timing is weird, just a week before SpaceX is to return Americans to space on an American rocket.

Not necessarily political, however: NASA recently announced three candidates for landing humans on the moon in 2024. (Which, BTW, is about as likely as a cow jumping over it.) One of the candidates is a team led by Blue Origin. Which is owned by Jeff Bezos. Who also owns the Washington Post. FAKE NEWS!

Loverro speaks of a "mistake" he made, but has said nothing more specific. To me, that does seem to suggest something personal rather than professional. I guess we'll see.

The article I read about it described the "mistake" as sidestepping the official decision making process regarding something to do with Artemis (NASA's return to the moon program du jour). Given current NASA politics, I assume he cut through some kind of bureaucratic shenanigans meant to stop the new rocket companies from "competing" with the SLS. If it were the other way around he'd have been promoted instead.

Trebuchet 22nd May 2020 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 13098618)
The article I read about it described the "mistake" as sidestepping the official decision making process regarding something to do with Artemis (NASA's return to the moon program du jour). Given current NASA politics, I assume he cut through some kind of bureaucratic shenanigans meant to stop the new rocket companies from "competing" with the SLS. If it were the other way around he'd have been promoted instead.

Latest theory is that he was trying to help Boeing because he thought the were the only ones with a chance of meeting Trump's asinine time frame.

Norman Alexander 22nd May 2020 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 13098456)
Not a good time to be an IG.


Analysis: Another scandal is engulfing Trump and it's got nothing to do with coronavirus
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-2...hdogs/12269124

All people he hasn't heard of, has never met, and thinks they probably only got coffee. Some guy just came up to him and said, "Sir, these people need to be fired...".

Beelzebuddy 22nd May 2020 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13098986)
Latest theory is that he was trying to help Boeing because he thought the were the only ones with a chance of meeting Trump's asinine time frame.

"By the end of my second term" is always the time frame.

Babbylonian 23rd May 2020 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13099341)
All people he hasn't heard of, has never met, and thinks they probably only got coffee. Some guy just came up to him and said, "Sir, these people need to be fired...".

The first firing of an IG is hard. Firing a dozen after that is just good fun.

TheSupermeerkat 25th May 2020 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13098986)
Latest theory is that he was trying to help Boeing because he thought the were the only ones with a chance of meeting Trump's asinine time frame.

Yeah, that's the most likely, the plan was to just use NASA hardware - the SLS and Orion capsulw - with the Boeing lander. It would be the most expensive option and funneled even more $$$ to Boeing as it would require multiple SLS launches, and they are the prime contractors on the SLS first stage.

Looked at it from angle, it looks like giving Boeing at ****-tonne of money after they came under a lot of criticism from extracting a huge amount from the cost plus system that NASA uses.

Safe-Keeper 27th May 2020 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13099341)
All people he hasn't heard of, has never met, and thinks they probably only got coffee. Some guy just came up to him and said, "Sir, these people need to be fired...".

It just occured to me that the trumpkins have been very quiet about this. Not even the usual knee-jerk "but Obama fired someone too!!"-type posts we usually get when Trump does something they know he sjouldn't have. It's odd.

Trebuchet 30th May 2020 03:40 PM

Dana Boente, top lawyer for the FBI, after being criticized by Fox News for handling of the Flynn Case.

Stacyhs 30th May 2020 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13107889)
Dana Boente, top lawyer for the FBI, after being criticized by Fox News for handling of the Flynn Case.

From your link:

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Two sources familiar with the decision to dismiss Boente said it came from high levels of the Justice Department rather than directly from FBI Director Christopher Wray.
Gee....and I wonder where those 'high level' people got their orders from? Hint: Trump.

The DOJ is nothing but Trump's minion anymore.

dudalb 3rd June 2020 10:50 AM

TIme to get a betting pool started on how long until Esper is gone.

d4m10n 3rd June 2020 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13112314)
TIme to get a betting pool started on how long until Esper is gone.

What happened? I thought he was kissing arse quite well.

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Armitage72 3rd June 2020 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 13112443)
What happened? I thought he was kissing arse quite well.


He publicly spoke out against using active duty troops to deal with demonstrators.

Trebuchet 3rd June 2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13112476)
He publicly spoke out against using active duty troops to deal with demonstrators.

Wasn't happy about the NG helo flying low over them, either.

dudalb 3rd June 2020 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13112479)
Wasn't happy about the NG helo flying low over them, either.

I admit, when I heard that I though of "The Running Man",

The Great Zaganza 3rd June 2020 08:49 PM

It's rich that the current and former "Adults in the room" are coming out to say that they were always against the baby playing with matches.

quadraginta 3rd June 2020 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13112479)
Wasn't happy about the NG helo flying low over them, either.


Yeah. The one with Red Cross decals.

An actual Geneva Convention violation.

I guess Trump will be pulling us out of that soon.

thaiboxerken 4th June 2020 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13113031)
It's rich that the current and former "Adults in the room" are coming out to say that they were always against the baby playing with matches.

It's more like a baby with an assault rifle, that's been modded to have no safety, a hair trigger, and a drum magazine of 100 rounds.

dudalb 4th June 2020 09:34 PM

Trump will be pulling us out of every internatinal agreement he can. he hatees them. he only believes in "deals" between individual countries.
If Trump is reelected, the US will be pariah nation by 2022.

Squeegee Beckenheim 19th June 2020 08:46 AM

12 officials have resigned or been fired from the Trump administration in the last 16 days

The Don 19th June 2020 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13114369)
Trump will be pulling us out of every internatinal agreement he can. he hatees them. he only believes in "deals" between individual countries.
If Trump is reelected, the US will be pariah nation by 2022.

It'll still have plenty of friends, Brazil, The Philippines, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, the UK....

The Great Zaganza 19th June 2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13130806)

The leaky helium balloon that is the Trump administration needs to jettison ballast.

Trebuchet 19th June 2020 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13130826)
The leaky helium balloon that is the Trump administration needs to jettison ballast.

I'm thinking hydrogen balloon myself. Going down in flames.

The Great Zaganza 19th June 2020 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13130886)
I'm thinking hydrogen balloon myself. Going down in flames.

we are both wrong -


it's nothing but hot air.

dudalb 19th June 2020 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13130823)
It'll still have plenty of friends, Brazil, The Philippines, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, the UK....

Not so srue about the UK...BoJo seems to want to move away from him...

Trebuchet 19th June 2020 05:54 PM

Lots of other rats may be abandoning the sinking ship in the coming months.

Stacyhs 19th June 2020 06:26 PM

I can't wait to see when (if) Biden is elected all the things that will be said about Trump by foreign leaders and people who are no longer afraid of repercussions by him.

Meadmaker 19th June 2020 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13131375)
I can't wait to see when (if) Biden is elected all the things that will be said about Trump by foreign leaders and people who are no longer afraid of repercussions by him.

Foreign leaders have too much class to say what they are thinking. It's undignified to speak of such things in their positions. That's what separates normal leaders from Trump.


But all the ex-administration officials featured in this thread are under no such restrictions.

Stacyhs 19th June 2020 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Meadmaker (Post 13131408)
Foreign leaders have too much class to say what they are thinking. It's undignified to speak of such things in their positions. That's what separates normal leaders from Trump.


But all the ex-administration officials featured in this thread are under no such restrictions.

After he's out of power, I don't think that will matter to them. He'll be irrelevant and they'll let their feelings known. I guess we'll have to wait and seen.

The Great Zaganza 19th June 2020 08:02 PM

Geoffrey Berman, Attorney for the SDNY, is getting replaced by Barr.
This would have nothing to do with him going after Guiliani's band or merry miscreants, would it?

Skeptic Ginger 19th June 2020 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13130823)
It'll still have plenty of friends, Brazil, The Philippines, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, the UK....

:D

Skeptic Ginger 19th June 2020 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13130826)
The leaky helium balloon that is the Trump administration needs to jettison ballast.

:D

Skeptic Ginger 19th June 2020 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13130806)

From the looks of that spreadsheet linked in the article, 16 is not an unusual number for the time frame.

I'd love to see that graphed out, a bar graph maybe, showing number per day and days between people leaving.

I would have thought revelations in Bolton's book had something to do with it but the departments people were in is not limited to the WH.

fromdownunder 19th June 2020 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13131444)
Geoffrey Berman, Attorney for the SDNY, is getting replaced by Barr.
This would have nothing to do with him going after Guiliani's band or merry miscreants, would it?


And he says he is not going anywhere because he was not a Senate appointment, but a Court appointment. He says he will go when the Senate appoints a replacement. This could be a bit of fun.



Norm

Babbylonian 19th June 2020 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13131430)
After he's out of power, I don't think that will matter to them. He'll be irrelevant and they'll let their feelings known. I guess we'll have to wait and seen.

It does matter, though. Unless the Republicans lose both the Senate and the presidency while the Democrats keep the House, other world leaders can't afford to alienate either party. The Senate in particular has the power of treaty ratification which they would absolutely use against nations that displease them.

The Great Zaganza 19th June 2020 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fromdownunder (Post 13131471)
And he says he is not going anywhere because he was not a Senate appointment, but a Court appointment. He says he will go when the Senate appoints a replacement. This could be a bit of fun.



Norm

I understand the hire/fire via Tweet move from Trump -

but from Barr?
this is weird.

Armitage72 20th June 2020 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fromdownunder (Post 13131471)
And he says he is not going anywhere because he was not a Senate appointment, but a Court appointment. He says he will go when the Senate appoints a replacement. This could be a bit of fun.


I've seen people paraphrasing his response as "Go **** yourself."

https://i.imgur.com/0Uv5Je6.jpg

Squeegee Beckenheim 20th June 2020 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13131343)
Not so srue about the UK...BoJo seems to want to move away from him...

What are you basing that on? Johnson is currently in the process of reneging on promises by relaxing food standards in order to enable a trade deal with the US, not to mention putting selling the NHS off on the table.

He's definitely a lot more interested in trading with the US than he is with the EU.

Meadmaker 20th June 2020 09:29 AM

Interesting move by Berman. Looks like that one's going to go to court.

I think it's ultimately a losing cause regardless of the outcome. I'm not sure if Barr has the authority to remove him, but I'm pretty sure Barr has the authority to remove his funding, which is pretty much the same thing.

Will definitely be worth watching.

Babbylonian 20th June 2020 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Meadmaker (Post 13131833)
Interesting move by Berman. Looks like that one's going to go to court.

I think it's ultimately a losing cause regardless of the outcome. I'm not sure if Barr has the authority to remove him, but I'm pretty sure Barr has the authority to remove his funding, which is pretty much the same thing.

Will definitely be worth watching.

Except for one tiny little thing: Unless they're run entirely by partisan hacks, courts generally want to hear reasons (they prefer good ones) for wildly unusual actions taken by government officials. This action is such a naked attempt to politicize the Justice Department that if it goes to court it will be pretty tough for a judge not to tell Barr to GTFO.

It's particularly unclothed given that the process was kicked off by the bald-faced lie that Berman was "stepping down." There's simply no getting around the obvious untruth of those words. It's passive-aggressive ******** that was almost certainly generated because there was some question as to whether Trump or Barr could fire him outright. The hope was likely that Berman would get the message and go away quietly, perhaps in the belief that fighting it would be more trouble than it's worth. Instead, they've given him the opportunity to parlay their ******** into a big step towards higher office by being the underdog crime-fighting hero.


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