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Stacyhs 21st October 2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13265255)
By George, I think you're on to something.

You do know you are wasting your time, right?



Look over in the "Trump's Taxes" thread for the real Oct surprise. The NYT scooped Giulani's surprise with a new revelation as they promised. Bwahahahahaha.

Yeah. Aren't we all? :D

JoeMorgue 21st October 2020 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13265140)
What's the objection to true facts here? JoeMorgue was repeating claims that there was no reason for him to fly all the way across the country to drop the laptop off at a random repair shop. I am correcting him, that it is the repair shop local to Hunter's dad.

"But admit this one small detail in a casual comment you made in passing is wrong while I ignore absolutely everything else!"

shuttlt 21st October 2020 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13265255)
Look over in the "Trump's Taxes" thread for the real Oct surprise. The NYT scooped Giulani's surprise with a new revelation as they promised. Bwahahahahaha.

I doubt it has anything to compete with Hunter complaining to Joe that his sister in law/ex-lover has complained to his therapist that he has been sexually inappropriate with his 14 year old niece. It's like Jerry Springer. If you can make one of Trump's businesses opening a bank account in China when he was doing business in China as interesting the Biden story, good luck to you.

shuttlt 21st October 2020 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13265236)
AGAIN, warnings about Giuliani went out. We are also not privy to either the details of the FBI investigation or the extent of information passed on from the FBI to other government agencies.

This is a non sequitur. I haven't claimed that the investigation is or isn't at any stage. Either it is the case that they have checked up on the origins of the laptop, in which case the FBI know whether Hunter Biden dropped it off or they haven't, which if the claims about them thinking it was part of a Russian disinformation effort, would be a bit shocking.

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13265236)
As far as keeping the information secret, why wouldn't they? If the evidence was planted to screw with the election, releasing or even commenting on it would affect the election. It's possible that those currently in charge of the FBI have no interest in being Comey 2020.

OK. So the idea here is that the FBI find out that there is a plot to use this laptop to interfere with the election. The laptop is then used to interfere with the election. The FBI then pass no comment for fear of interfering with the election. They are running this like Jean-Luc Picard on an away mission afraid of violating the Prime Directive. I have a hard time believing they would behave in this way if the emails/photographs had been faked by the Russians. If it's all genuine, maybe.

Gulliver Foyle 21st October 2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13258397)
I love to see the double standard here compared to coverage of the fraudulent Steele report.

What fraudulent Steele report would that be? The only one I know of by Steele was the one largely corroborated by the Mueller probe (even though Mueller whitewashed that fact as hard as he could, it still came out dirty).

xjx388 21st October 2020 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13265300)
I doubt it has anything to compete with Hunter complaining to Joe that his sister in law/ex-lover has complained to his therapist that he has been sexually inappropriate with his 14 year old niece. It's like Jerry Springer. If you can make one of Trump's businesses opening a bank account in China when he was doing business in China as interesting the Biden story, good luck to you.

Well, yeah. The NYT isn't really into sordid gossip-mongering.

Gulliver Foyle 21st October 2020 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13258604)
Sounds like a near perfect plan which would have worked had it not been for one alert patriot.

Hunter Biden: "And I would have gotten away with it to, if it wasn't for those meddling kids, I mean Trump cultist!"

Skeptic Ginger 21st October 2020 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13265300)
I doubt it has anything to compete with Hunter complaining to Joe that his sister in law/ex-lover has complained to his therapist that he has been sexually inappropriate with his 14 year old niece. It's like Jerry Springer. If you can make one of Trump's businesses opening a bank account in China when he was doing business in China as interesting the Biden story, good luck to you.

Oh my word, you so didn't look. :sdl:

jerrywayne 21st October 2020 12:57 PM

Is this propaganda or a turn in events? Seems I recall a FBI statement that the agency had no present information that would contradict Ratcliffe"s assessment that the hard drive story was not a Russian construction. That's not the same thing as stating the FBI has confirmed Ratcliffe's assessment

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...paign=msn_feed

JoeMorgue 21st October 2020 12:58 PM

It's a smear job. And like conspiracy theories and pseudo-science and religion and... well pretty much every other form of "wrong" it's operating on "Well I haven't been proven wrong" logic.

Ambrosia 21st October 2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13263913)
Right.

It could also be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds

A bed made out of ironwood - with extra lead weighting in the base?

timhau 21st October 2020 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13265300)
I doubt it has anything to compete with Hunter complaining to Joe that his sister in law/ex-lover has complained to his therapist that he has been sexually inappropriate with his 14 year old niece.

Are you sure it wasn't Borat's daughter?

Stacyhs 21st October 2020 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13265300)
I doubt it has anything to compete with Hunter complaining to Joe that his sister in law/ex-lover has complained to his therapist that he has been sexually inappropriate with his 14 year old niece. It's like Jerry Springer. If you can make one of Trump's businesses opening a bank account in China when he was doing business in China as interesting the Biden story, good luck to you.

Which is exactly why the Russians would create a misinformation scandal story exactly like this. They ain't stoopid. They know what appeals to the voter who reads grocery store tabloids, watches Fox, and attends Trump rallies.

This is Trump's last ditch desperate Hail Mary. The GOP Senate investigation found no wrongdoing on Biden's part. The Durham report isn't coming out before the election to 'save' him. So who's he gonna call? Giuliani! :jaw-dropp

JoeMorgue 21st October 2020 01:22 PM

Yeah there's a reason every other made up conspiracy theory smear jobs aimed at Democrats involved "Sex" and/or "Those new fangled computer things."

TahiniBinShawarma 21st October 2020 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle (Post 13265427)
What fraudulent Steele report would that be? The only one I know of by Steele was the one largely corroborated by the Mueller probe (even though Mueller whitewashed that fact as hard as he could, it still came out dirty).

You might want to tell Steele LOL https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...lusion-in-2016

"British ex-spy Christopher Steele testified he met with Democratic lawyers during the 2016 presidential election, and one provided him with now-debunked claims about alleged Trump-Russia collusion as he compiled his dossier."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod.../#5937e9b36867

Ziggurat 21st October 2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle (Post 13265427)
What fraudulent Steele report would that be? The only one I know of by Steele was the one largely corroborated by the Mueller probe (even though Mueller whitewashed that fact as hard as he could, it still came out dirty).

No. Nothing of interest from the Steele report could be corroborated.

Gulliver Foyle 21st October 2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13259479)
Do we actually know what the reality was? As far as I'm aware of the facts, Hunter was getting paid at least $50k per month by the Ukrainian company (Burisma) without having anything obvious to offer them other than the connection to his father who was handling the allocation of aid to Ukraine. The Ukrainian prosecutor Shokin was investigating Burisma. There were claims that Shokin was corrupt amid complaints that he wasn't making progress on the investigation of Burisma. Biden threatened to withhold aid unless Shokin was fired. Shokin was forced out in Feb 2016. The case against Bursima was dropped in 2017. In 2018 the decision to annul the case was overruled and the oligarch behind Burisma fled the country. Trump was then impeached over the phone call pushing Ukraine to investigate this.

Biden was accused of having a conflict of interest as his decisions directly benefitted the company that was paying his son $50k a month for no readily discernible reason. Biden claimed that there was no conflict because he never talked to his son about his overseas business. If these emails pan out, then we see in fact his son was connecting people within Burisma to Joe Biden, undermining Joe Biden's claims a bit.

I don't think it is exactly proved that Biden was doing anything corrupt here, but I don't understand your certainty that he wasn't.

Correction, Shokin was not investigating Burisma, despite their being an open criminal file (and plenty of evidence) on both the company and its owner Mykola Zlochevsky. Largely at the prompting of the UK authorities, the EU, US and IMF started pressuring him to investigate and when that didn't work pressured the Ukrainian government to fire him which eventually did work.

Hunter Biden walked into the situation like an idiot, but despite the fact that any serious investigation of Burisma would look bad for Hunter, and possibly land him in hot water, his father Joe as VP was the strongest backer in the US of the efforts to get the investigation going properly.

Sacking Shokin made it more likely, not less, that Hunter Biden would land in legal trouble, thus tarnishing his father's political reputation. If Joe Biden were corrupt he'd have pushed hard against any attempts to sack Shokin.

Ziggurat 21st October 2020 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13265492)
Which is exactly why the Russians would create a misinformation scandal story exactly like this.

Would they? Conceivably.

Did they? There's no evidence of that.

Stacyhs 21st October 2020 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13265580)
Would they? Conceivably.

Did they? There's no evidence of that.

SHHHHHHH! You're not supposed to comment on ongoing investigations, Special Agent Ziggurat!

Darat 21st October 2020 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13265556)
You might want to tell Steele LOL https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...lusion-in-2016

"British ex-spy Christopher Steele testified he met with Democratic lawyers during the 2016 presidential election, and one provided him with now-debunked claims about alleged Trump-Russia collusion as he compiled his dossier."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod.../#5937e9b36867

How does that make the report fraudulent?

shuttlt 21st October 2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13265442)
Well, yeah. The NYT isn't really into sordid gossip-mongering.

The NYT published stories about Trump and Pissgate and the claims of a prostitute that the President's penis was shaped like a mushroom from Mario Kart. I'm not sure the NYT is in a position to act like sordid gossip is beneath them.

xjx388 21st October 2020 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13265674)
The NYT published stories about Trump and Pissgate and the claims of a prostitute that the President's penis was shaped like a mushroom from Mario Kart. I'm not sure the NYT is in a position to act like sordid gossip is beneath them.


Not quite the same. It’s surely sordid, but it wasn’t quite gossipy. There was an actual thing called the Steele Dossier that detailed sordid activities. Stormy Daniels wrote a book that they may have covered. Those were newsworthy items.

These underage sex rumors are just that. Nothing but pure gossip. No corroboration. No one credible willing to put their names on the line and say they actually saw this. That’s the definition of gossip.

Stacyhs 21st October 2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13265721)
Not quite the same. It’s surely sordid, but it wasn’t quite gossipy. There was an actual thing called the Steele Dossier that detailed sordid activities. Stormy Daniels wrote a book that they may have covered. Those were newsworthy items.

These underage sex rumors are just that. Nothing but pure gossip. No corroboration. No one credible willing to put their names on the line and say they actually saw this. That’s the definition of gossip.

I don't think there's even that. From what I've read, it's pictures of a topless 14 year old. That's not "sex".

CapelDodger 21st October 2020 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13265556)
You might want to tell Steele LOL https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...lusion-in-2016

"British ex-spy Christopher Steele testified he met with Democratic lawyers during the 2016 presidential election, and one provided him with now-debunked claims about alleged Trump-Russia collusion as he compiled his dossier."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod.../#5937e9b36867

Were those now-debunked claims in the Steele dossier?

Beelzebuddy 21st October 2020 04:17 PM

The more I learn about this story, the less I think there's Russian disinformation behind it. It's just so damn dumb. They have to have better ideas than that.

I'm just picturing a young analyst in Moscow or wherever the hell these guys are, talking about a new scheme of "finding" an inappropriate email on a laptop but not bothering to actually fake one but actually it's child pornography but maybe it isn't and they're giving it to a computer guy whose security system doesn't work but he'll swear he saw Hunter Biden even though he's blind and his shop is nowhere near anywhere Hunter Biden would need a computer disposed of but only a couple of miles from Joe Biden's house and it must be an attempt to get rid of it because he was told to repair it and hold onto it but no one ever picked it up so instead he calls Steve Bannon who calls Guiliani who picks it up and calls Hannity's old producer to write a story that they need to get published without verification which even Fox News won't do despite everyone being on a first name basis with the hacks who work there so they'll go to the New York Post who'll run it but even their writers won't put their names on the byline and that will surely make it all airtight and convincing and then and then and then

And then his supervisor would come over.
He would pull up a chair, one of those old school, gray-painted ones with a thick metal frame and rolling wheels that squeal like nails on a chalkboard.

He would look the analyst in the eyes, and softly say Comrade. Comrade Badenov. You are an excellent analyst. You have been pushing yourself too hard. I think you need a few days off. Go home. Come back when you are rested and dry.

Norman Alexander 21st October 2020 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 13265786)
The more I learn about this story, the less I think there's Russian disinformation behind it. It's just so damn dumb. They have to have better ideas than that.

I'm just picturing a young analyst in Moscow or wherever the hell these guys are, talking about a new scheme of "finding" an inappropriate email on a laptop but not bothering to actually fake one but actually it's child pornography but maybe it isn't and they're giving it to a computer guy whose security system doesn't work but he'll swear he saw Hunter Biden even though he's blind and his shop is nowhere near anywhere Hunter Biden would need a computer disposed of but only a couple of miles from Joe Biden's house and it must be an attempt to get rid of it because he was told to repair it and hold onto it but no one ever picked it up so instead he calls Steve Bannon who calls Guiliani who picks it up and calls Hannity's old producer to write a story that they need to get published without verification which even Fox News won't do despite everyone being on a first name basis with the hacks who work there so they'll go to the New York Post who'll run it but even their writers won't put their names on the byline and that will surely make it all airtight and convincing and then and then and then

And then his supervisor would come over.
He would pull up a chair, one of those old school, gray-painted ones with a thick metal frame and rolling wheels that squeal like nails on a chalkboard.

He would look the analyst in the eyes, and softly say Comrade. Comrade Badenov. You are an excellent analyst. You have been pushing yourself too hard. I think you need a few days off. Go home. Come back when you are rested and dry.

Or it was a beginner's first effort by the young work-experience tovarich that accidentally got loose in the wild.

Minoosh 21st October 2020 04:33 PM

Or maybe it's a meta disinformation scheme - designed to resemble disinformation schemes, only to raise doubts that it's a disinformation scheme, except it really is a disinformation scheme and being stupid enough to be real is part of the disinformation.

Norman Alexander 21st October 2020 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13265810)
Or maybe it's a meta disinformation scheme - designed to resemble disinformation schemes, only to raise doubts that it's a disinformation scheme, except it really is a disinformation scheme and being stupid enough to be real is part of the disinformation.

Diss-inception.

Ziggurat 21st October 2020 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13265721)
Not quite the same. It’s surely sordid, but it wasn’t quite gossipy. There was an actual thing called the Steele Dossier that detailed sordid activities. Stormy Daniels wrote a book that they may have covered.

That doesn't make it not gossipy.

Venom 21st October 2020 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13265201)
That's fine for somebody who is adamant about that perspective. There are clearly people who are less certain though, and this might be important in their decision making.

Well of course :rolleyes: . As we know it always seems harder for a Democrat to get out of a scandal than a Republican. Democrats on average need to work harder than Republicans for electoral success on top of PR.

fishbob 21st October 2020 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13264883)
"Major Garrett
@MajorCBS
Via
@ClareHymes22


@CBSNews

The FBI & DOJ concur with DNI Ratcliffe’s assessment that Hunter Biden's laptop and the emails in question were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. FBI does has possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question.

@DNI_Ratcliffe

@FBI"

vi·a

traveling through (a place) en route to a destination.
by way of; through.
by means of.


Nothing about FoxNews

Maybe Borat provided the laptop to Rudy?

Stacyhs 21st October 2020 06:19 PM

I just remember how Trump told us how the truth was coming out any day now about Obama's birth certificate. He had sent a special investigator to Hawaii who had discovered explosive information! Then there's how they have all this HUGE evidence of the greatest political crime in US history like we've never seen of Obama spying on his campaign that.....went nowhere. Then there was all this evidence of Hillary's crimes through the years that ...well you get the idea. We're always going to all this evidence of some huge crime that just never seems to go anywhere. Same song, different tune.

I Am The Scum 21st October 2020 07:47 PM

I just want whoever is reading this post to know: You are having a significantly better day than Rudy Giuliani.

Norman Alexander 21st October 2020 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum (Post 13266010)
I just want whoever is reading this post to know: You are having a significantly better day than Rudy Giuliani.

GAWP! That first image...


HEEEEERK! :gasp::sour::wide-eyed:hypnotize

CORed 21st October 2020 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13263288)
It's relevant to the question of what state of mind would be required to drop off a laptop at a repair shop and never come back to pick it up.

But meth vs. crack/cocaine probably doesn't matter. He has admitted to the latter, he may or may not have done the former.

This is a complete stab-in-the-dark guess:

The laptop really did belong to Hunter Biden, but he did not drop it off at any repair shop. Rather it was stolen from him, and, as others have suggested, now contains a mixture of his emails and files and forgeries from Russian intelligence. The whole repair shop story just doesn't pass a laugh test at all.

Norman Alexander 21st October 2020 08:18 PM

So Bill Barr's "October Surprise" did happen. Just that it wasn't a surprise on the Democrats. It was a major back-fire on Trump by nutbag Rudi.

Surprise!

:rolleyes:

Skeptic Ginger 21st October 2020 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CORed (Post 13266033)
This is a complete stab-in-the-dark guess:

The laptop really did belong to Hunter Biden, but he did not drop it off at any repair shop. Rather it was stolen from him, and, as others have suggested, now contains a mixture of his emails and files and forgeries from Russian intelligence. The whole repair shop story just doesn't pass a laugh test at all.

Yeah no.

Why make up a convoluted story about a laptop that either doesn't exist or has absolutely no connection to Hunter Biden?

Elagabalus 21st October 2020 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CORed (Post 13266033)
This is a complete stab-in-the-dark guess:

The laptop really did belong to Hunter Biden, but he did not drop it off at any repair shop. Rather it was stolen from him, and, as others have suggested, now contains a mixture of his emails and files and forgeries from Russian intelligence. The whole repair shop story just doesn't pass a laugh test at all.


Meh. I think it is Hunter's Macbook. And he did drop it off at the repair shop in Delaware. However, he gave the Macbook HD contents to someone* back in Dec. 2019 according to this article from Heavy (last updated Oct. 15 2020).

Quote:

He (Mac Isaac) was tracked down by reporters after he gave The Post a copy of what he claims was a subpoena to appear in federal court in December 2019 for a grand jury hearing related to the MacBook...
https://heavy.com/news/john-paul-mac-isaac/

Therefore, it has already been checked out and nothing incriminating has been found. Giuliani is just trying to become a player again.

*insert Government agency here.

ETA: And Mac Isaac doesn't look blind in any of his pictures.

Minoosh 21st October 2020 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13266038)
Yeah no.

Why make up a convoluted story about a laptop that either doesn't exist or has absolutely no connection to Hunter Biden?

I think both things can be true - the laptop is connected to Hunter and there is something dodgy about the computer shop guy's story.

ETA: As far as I can tell, a grand jury subpoena does not necessarily mean that it was issued by a grand jury.

From law.com:
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Federal grand jury subpoenas, which are written orders compelling an individual or company to provide information, are issued at the direction of prosecutors as a part of criminal investigations

Skeptic Ginger 21st October 2020 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13266059)
I think both things can be true - the laptop is connected to Hunter and there is something dodgy about the computer shop guy's story.

Where is a single shred of evidence there was ever a Hunter Biden laptop involved in this at all ?????????

Look how insidious this purely fabricated propaganda** injected into the social media stream becomes fact or partial fact.

**Because we have no evidence whatsoever that it is not fabricated.

Segnosaur 21st October 2020 09:05 PM

Re: was it Hunter Biden's laptop, but got stolen then "turned in" to the shop...
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13266038)
Yeah no.



Why make up a convoluted story about a laptop that either doesn't exist or has absolutely no connection to Hunter Biden?

I think some people might be thinking part (but not all) of the data on the laptop might be real, and are trying to figure out how that might have gotten there, given all of the bizarre plot twists. A stolen laptop might explain that.

That is of course any of the data does turn out to be valid.



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Minoosh 21st October 2020 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13266060)
Where is a single shred of evidence there was ever a Hunter Biden laptop involved in this at all ?????????

Because it sounds like the kind of miscellaneous crap that someone would keep on a laptop.

The thank-you note quoted is so weak as evidence of corruption that I believe it's genuine. That doesn't speak to the rest of the contents.

Bogative 21st October 2020 09:27 PM

One of the China email recipients has issued a statement claiming the email is real and not made up by the Russians.


Quote:

My name is Tony Bobulinski. The facts set forth below are true and accurate; they are not any form of domestic or foreign disinformation. Any suggestion to the contrary is false and offensive. I am the recipient of the email published seven days ago by the New York Post which showed a copy to Hunter Biden and Rob Walker. That email is genuine.



I am the CEO of Sinohawk Holdings which was a partnership between the Chinese operating through CEFC/Chairman Ye and the Biden family. I was brought into the company to be the CEO by James Gilliar and Hunter Biden. The reference to “the Big Guy” in the much publicized May 13, 2017 email is in fact a reference to Joe Biden. The other “JB” referenced in that email is Jim Biden, Joe’s brother.

Hunter Biden called his dad ‘the Big Guy’ or ‘my Chairman,’ and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing. I’ve seen Vice President Biden saying he never talked to Hunter about his business. I’ve seen firsthand that that’s not true, because it wasn’t just Hunter’s business, they said they were putting the Biden family name and its legacy on the line.
Link

Bobulinski sounds kind of Russian to me, he must be an agent of Russia. ******* Putin!

CORed 21st October 2020 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13266070)
Because it sounds like the kind of miscellaneous crap that someone would keep on a laptop.

The thank-you note quoted is so weak as evidence of corruption that I believe it's genuine. That doesn't speak to the rest of the contents.

I suspect that the email about the meeting is real. I think whoever Giuliani is working with (likely Russian agents) somehow got a hold of some of Hunter Biden's emails. That particular email is nothing at all, but it is the hook they are trying to use to convince people that all the other crap is also real. They could have gotten some of Hunter's emails in a variety of ways, with a stolen laptop being a pretty likely one. I don't buy the "He brought the computer in for repair on the opposite coast from where he lives and never bothered to pick it up" story at all. It just doesn't make sense at all, that he would have the repair done in Delaware instead of California (even though Dad does live there), that he would take it to some strip mall mom and pop store, or that he wouldn't pick it up is not the least bit plausible. I suspect that all the pedophilia and child porn allegations are made up out of whole cloth.

Skeptic Ginger 21st October 2020 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13266065)
Re: was it Hunter Biden's laptop, but got stolen then "turned in" to the shop...

I think some people might be thinking part (but not all) of the data on the laptop might be real, and are trying to figure out how that might have gotten there, given all of the bizarre plot twists. A stolen laptop might explain that.

That is of course any of the data does turn out to be valid...

I get that. My question is why?

What possible evidence are believers acting on? At this point in time the evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion this is made up crap!

You can always change that conclusion if any actual evidence surfaces. Until then, this is made up crap!

Elagabalus 21st October 2020 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13266085)
One of the China email recipients has issued a statement claiming the email is real and not made up by the Russians.




Link

Bobulinski sounds kind of Russian to me, he must be an agent of Russia. ******* Putin!

No, but it sounds sketchy as ****. What's with the lower case "i" in your avatar?

Skeptic Ginger 21st October 2020 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CORed (Post 13266095)
I suspect that the email about the meeting is real. I think whoever Giuliani is working with (likely Russian agents) somehow got a hold of some of Hunter Biden's emails. That particular email is nothing at all, but it is the hook they are trying to use to convince people that all the other crap is also real. They could have gotten some of Hunter's emails in a variety of ways, with a stolen laptop being a pretty likely one. I don't buy the "He brought the computer in for repair on the opposite coast from where he lives and never bothered to pick it up" story at all. It just doesn't make sense at all, that he would have the repair done in Delaware instead of California (even though Dad does live there), that he would take it to some strip mall mom and pop store, or that he wouldn't pick it up is not the least bit plausible. I suspect that all the pedophilia and child porn allegations are made up out of whole cloth.

If the highlighted were true the emails would have been on Wikileaks by now. The fact there is this absurd story about how said emails were discovered is one big fat clue: the whole thing is bogus.

Bogative 21st October 2020 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Elagabalus (Post 13266101)
No, but it sounds sketchy as ****. What's with the lower case "i" in your avatar?


http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=12586

TahiniBinShawarma 21st October 2020 10:33 PM

Bevan Cooney emails

https://www.scribd.com/user/528185499/Matthew-Tyrmand

Gee lol

https://www.scribd.com/document/4811...iness-of-Ruski

https://www.scribd.com/document/4811...Meeting-Detail

https://www.scribd.com/document/4811...Meeting-Detail

https://www.scribd.com/document/4811...ng-the-Rubicon

https://www.scribd.com/document/4811...ney-Laundering

TahiniBinShawarma 21st October 2020 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13266102)
If the highlighted were true the emails would have been on Wikileaks by now. The fact there is this absurd story about how said emails were discovered is one big fat clue: the whole thing is bogus.


It's obvious you're freaking out LOL. There is no evidence this was anything other than what the repair man reported to the FBI months BEFORE his intermediary contacted Giuliani's attorney Costello.


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