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Bogative 22nd October 2020 06:41 AM

Has anyone asked Hunter Biden if he dropped the laptop off?

Tero 22nd October 2020 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266354)
Is the theory here that the repair shop guy has forged multiple documents from the FBI including signatures of FBI agents and passing them around and the FBI haven't done anything about it? Why?

There is no laptop, or if there is one, the receipts and so on were generated so as to make it seem there is a Hunter Biden laptop. Nothing has indicated that any of that is true. Hunter Biden would have an Apple ID that could be verified in minutes on any laptop.

The laptop was invented to be the source of the documents Rudy got elsewhere.

wareyin 22nd October 2020 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266481)
Where are you getting this from? This still has nothing to do with the Twitter thread that was so important.

I'm getting it from this thread. Did you miss the claims that Giuliani turned over the laptop to the Delaware PD a page or 2 back? And if he had it to turn over, then the FBI didn't have it. Simple logic.

What it has to do with the Twitter thread is...that the Twitter thread is where we learned that the FBI didn't subpoena the laptop. They subpoenaed a different device that never belonged to Hunter Biden.

shuttlt 22nd October 2020 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13266488)
I'm getting it from this thread. Did you miss the claims that Giuliani turned over the laptop to the Delaware PD a page or 2 back? And if he had it to turn over, then the FBI didn't have it. Simple logic.

He didn't turn over the laptop. The FBI has the laptop. Supposing all of this is a fraud committed by Giuliani, or the Russians, or somebody else.... what would be going on in the FBIs minds if they didn't secure the laptop?

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13266488)
What it has to do with the Twitter thread is...that the Twitter thread is where we learned that the FBI didn't subpoena the laptop. They subpoenaed a different device that never belonged to Hunter Biden.

We don't learn that from the Twitter thread. The FBI subpoenaed the laptop. The FBI has the laptop.

MinnesotaBrant 22nd October 2020 07:07 AM

Apparently according to Hannity Biden is reeling from allegations of corruption from this. I confess I haven't bothered to read more than the headline seeing where it's coming from.

MinnesotaBrant 22nd October 2020 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tero (Post 13266487)
There is no laptop, or if there is one, the receipts and so on were generated so as to make it seem there is a Hunter Biden laptop. Nothing has indicated that any of that is true. Hunter Biden would have an Apple ID that could be verified in minutes on any laptop.

The laptop was invented to be the source of the documents Rudy got elsewhere.

haha Bidens son stored his dick pic on the cloud? Kidding, just trying to wrap my head around that.

wareyin 22nd October 2020 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266492)
He didn't turn over the laptop. The FBI has the laptop. Supposing all of this is a fraud committed by Giuliani, or the Russians, or somebody else.... what would be going on in the FBIs minds if they didn't secure the laptop?


We don't learn that from the Twitter thread. The FBI subpoenaed the laptop. The FBI has the laptop.

Guiliani and the police department in question claim that Giuliani did turn over a laptop that he claimed was Hunter Biden's. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/6005040002/

As for what was going on in the FBI's mind that they didn't secure a piece of false evidence planted by bad actors? Why? Is there a compelling reason to do so that doesn't involve making it look genuine to prop up a story that is falling apart?

sackett 22nd October 2020 07:18 AM

Five'll get you fifty that Trunpf drags all this into the Great Debate Mark 2 tonight. Spittle flying.

dmaker 22nd October 2020 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sackett (Post 13266524)
Five'll get you fifty that Trunpf drags all this into the Great Debate Mark 2 tonight. Spittle flying.

Of course he will. He'll open with his usual "I shut down travel to China" (as if we haven't heard that story a thousand times now), he'll toss in the usual Biden called me xenophobic and Pelosi wanted to dance in Chinatown, and the rest will be about Hunter. Maybe he will bring some print outs of right wing websites and bandy them about as he has embarrassingly done in the past.

It's all he's got.

shuttlt 22nd October 2020 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13266521)
Guiliani and the police department in question claim that Giuliani did turn over a laptop that he claimed was Hunter Biden's. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/6005040002/

The mistake you are making is reading the headline and first paragraph and thinking they are accurate and truthful. Where are they getting the facts they claim in the headline? They quote the spokesman for the Delaware AG saying:
Quote:

“They’ve got a hard drive or a laptop or something to that effect. They try to turn it over to New Castle County PD. New Castle County PD calls us"
So, he isn't their source, or if he is they are misrepresenting what he said. They don't give any other source for their claim that the FBI decided they'd prefer a copy to the original laptop.

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As for what was going on in the FBI's mind that they didn't secure a piece of false evidence planted by bad actors? Why? Is there a compelling reason to do so that doesn't involve making it look genuine to prop up a story that is falling apart?
So, the idea is that there is a laptop that has been planted to try to set Hunter Biden up with a bunch of fake photos and emails, or possibly to set up Guiliani, and the FBI decide to leave the laptop out there and let it be used to set up Guiliani/Hunter Biden for fear of making the claims against Hunter Biden look genuine? Assuming all that is true, why did they subpoena the laptop?

Tero 22nd October 2020 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MinnesotaBrant (Post 13266513)
haha Bidens son stored his dick pic on the cloud? Kidding, just trying to wrap my head around that.

A good 80% of people are that dumb with smart phones. And most of then never viewed what's in their cloud.

Tero 22nd October 2020 07:34 AM

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It remains unclear whose laptop this actually was, how it came to be dropped off at the Maryland computer store in April 2019, whether the emails and other materials found on it are indeed legitimate, or whether more “October Surprises” will follow. However, one thing is clear: The New York Post “smoking gun” story — packed to the brim as it is with half-truths, outright lies, innuendo, smears, and foreign actors credibly accused of U.S. election meddling — is disinformation. Whether or not it will be credibly weaponized remains to be seen.
https://www.truthorfiction.com/the-s...bidens-laptop/

JoeMorgue 22nd October 2020 07:39 AM

It's literally like the Right just somehow thinks it's just so totally unfair that the Left gets to use all these scandals and criminal charges against them so they have some inherent right to make up some to balance the scales.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13266483)
When the repair guy contacted the FBI will probably come out. We know the repair guy has at various times claimed to have contacted the FBI over the laptop but other times claimed that the FBI were the ones to contact him. At this point we don't know which version of his story, if either, is true.

When the repair guy was in contact with Giuliani first probably won't be ever known. We certainly can't assume that he is being honest about it as he has given contradictory details about the rest of his story.


You are conflating. He contacted the FBI and gave them a copy of the drive. They came back with a grand jury subpoena for the original.BOTH are correct, he contacted them, they contacted him.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13266476)
No, the repair guy could have gotten played. Russian agents have been known to manipulate people on occasion, you know, sometimes even stupid people.



So Giuliani had nothing to do with it?

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tero (Post 13266487)
There is no laptop, or if there is one, the receipts and so on were generated so as to make it seem there is a Hunter Biden laptop. Nothing has indicated that any of that is true. Hunter Biden would have an Apple ID that could be verified in minutes on any laptop.

The laptop was invented to be the source of the documents Rudy got elsewhere.


So, the repair guy is lying?

shuttlt 22nd October 2020 08:00 AM

Has this been posted yet?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter...ns-from-china/
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My name is Tony Bobulinski. The facts set forth below are true and accurate; they are not any form of domestic or foreign disinformation. Any suggestion to the contrary is false and offensive. I am the recipient of the email published seven days ago by the New York Post which showed a copy to Hunter Biden and Rob Walker. That email is genuine.

This afternoon I received a request from the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs and the Senate Committee on Finance requesting all documents relating to my business affairs with the Biden family as well as various foreign entities and individuals. I have extensive relevant records and communications and I intend to produce those items to both Committees in the immediate future.

I am the grandson of a 37 year Army Intelligence officer, the son of a 20+ year career Naval Officer and the brother of a 28 year career Naval Flight Officer. I myself served our country for 4 years and left the Navy as LT Bobulinski. I held a high level security clearance and was an instructor and then CTO for Naval Nuclear Power Training Command. I take great pride in the time my family and I served this country. I am also not a political person. What few campaign contributions I have made in my life were to Democrats.

If the media and Big Tech companies had done their jobs over the past several weeks I would be irrelevant in this story. Given my long standing service and devotion to this great country, I could no longer allow my family’s name to be associated or tied to Russian disinformation or implied lies and false narratives dominating the media right now.

After leaving the military I became an institutional investor investing extensively around the world and on every continent. I have traveled to over 50 countries. I believe, hands down, we live in the greatest country in the world.

What I am outlining is fact. I know it is fact because I lived it. I am the CEO of Sinohawk Holdings which was a partnership between the Chinese operating through CEFC/Chairman Ye and the Biden family. I was brought into the company to be the CEO by James Gilliar and Hunter Biden. The reference to “the Big Guy” in the much publicized May 13, 2017 email is in fact a reference to Joe Biden. The other “JB” referenced in that email is Jim Biden, Joe’s brother.

Hunter Biden called his dad “the Big Guy” or “my Chairman,” and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing. I’ve seen Vice President Biden saying he never talked to Hunter about his business. I’ve seen firsthand that that’s not true, because it wasn’t just Hunter’s business, they said they were putting the Biden family name and its legacy on the line.

I realized the Chinese were not really focused on a healthy financial ROI. They were looking at this as a political or influence investment. Once I realized that Hunter wanted to use the company as his personal piggy bank by just taking money out of it as soon as it came from the Chinese, I took steps to prevent that from happening.

The Johnson Report connected some dots in a way that shocked me — it made me realize the Bidens had gone behind my back and gotten paid millions of dollars by the Chinese, even though they told me they hadn’t and wouldn’t do that to their partners.

I would ask the Biden family to address the American people and outline the facts so I can go back to being irrelevant — and so I am not put in a position to have to answer those questions for them.

I don’t have a political ax to grind; I just saw behind the Biden curtain and I grew concerned with what I saw. The Biden family aggressively leveraged the Biden family name to make millions of dollars from foreign entities even though some were from communist controlled China.

God bless America.

Dr. Keith 22nd October 2020 08:03 AM

At this point are we to believe that Trump's FBI is working hard for the Bidens by hiding this obvious evidence of criminal conduct?

Deep State?
Trump's Best People?
Barr too distracted by Covid exposure?

Why would Trump's FBI be protecting the Bidens for so long? Why would Trump's own people hide a smoking gun of Biden corruption?

I swear, I can't wait for Trump to finally be elected so he can drain the swamp and get the Federal Government working for the Truth 'n Just-us and Lawn Order.

shuttlt 22nd October 2020 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13266568)
At this point are we to believe that Trump's FBI is working hard for the Bidens by hiding this obvious evidence of criminal conduct?

Deep State?
Trump's Best People?
Barr too distracted by Covid exposure?

Why would Trump's FBI be protecting the Bidens for so long? Why would Trump's own people hide a smoking gun of Biden corruption?

I swear, I can't wait for Trump to finally be elected so he can drain the swamp and get the Federal Government working for the Truth 'n Just-us and Lawn Order.

Bureaucracies don't necessarily change their politics just because the CEO changes. Short of firing the whole of the DoJ, any change is going to be gradual.

wareyin 22nd October 2020 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266533)
The mistake you are making is reading the headline and first paragraph and thinking they are accurate and truthful. Where are they getting the facts they claim in the headline? They quote the spokesman for the Delaware AG saying:

So, he isn't their source, or if he is they are misrepresenting what he said. They don't give any other source for their claim that the FBI decided they'd prefer a copy to the original laptop.

You really just keep adding in tidbits when your original claims fail, don't you? The FBI decided they'd prefer a copy to the original? Who made that claim? Right now we have you claiming the FBI has the original laptop with no evidence, Giuliani and the Delaware PD claiming that Giuliani gave a laptop he claimed was Hunter's to the Delaware PD, and the repair guy providing evidence that the FBI subpoenaed a hard drive but not the laptop.


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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266533)
So, the idea is that there is a laptop that has been planted to try to set Hunter Biden up with a bunch of fake photos and emails, or possibly to set up Guiliani, and the FBI decide to leave the laptop out there and let it be used to set up Guiliani/Hunter Biden for fear of making the claims against Hunter Biden look genuine? Assuming all that is true, why did they subpoena the laptop?

Your evidence they subpoenaed the laptop is lacking. In fact, given that Giuliani claimed he has the laptop, you are contradicted by the original source of this story.

slyjoe 22nd October 2020 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266573)
Bureaucracies don't necessarily change their politics just because the CEO changes. Short of firing the whole of the DoJ, any change is going to be gradual.

When an administration changes I think you will find that most US attorneys are changed.

shuttlt 22nd October 2020 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13266586)
You really just keep adding in tidbits when your original claims fail, don't you? The FBI decided they'd prefer a copy to the original? Who made that claim? Right now we have you claiming the FBI has the original laptop with no evidence, Giuliani and the Delaware PD claiming that Giuliani gave a laptop he claimed was Hunter's to the Delaware PD, and the repair guy providing evidence that the FBI subpoenaed a hard drive but not the laptop.

I haven't seen any claim from Giuliani or the Delaware PD that Giuliani had the laptop. The laptop is on the subpoena. The repair guy is quoted as saying he handed the laptop to the FBI.

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13266586)
Your evidence they subpoenaed the laptop is lacking.

It's on attachment A to the subpoena that you got the serial number for the external drive from. Look one line up from the external drive. There were two items on the subpoena, the laptop and the external drive. The laptop was item 1, the external drive was item 2.

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13266586)
In fact, given that Giuliani claimed he has the laptop, you are contradicted by the original source of this story.

Where does Giuliani claim to have the laptop?

shuttlt 22nd October 2020 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13266590)
When an administration changes I think you will find that most US attorneys are changed.

Maybe, but you don't fire the whole FBI.

Tero 22nd October 2020 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13266565)
So, the repair guy is lying?

Yes.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 08:36 AM

May 20, 2017 text exchange obtained by #FoxNews - Tony Bobulinski is warned by business partner James Gilliar "Don't mention Joe being involved, it's only when u are face to face, I know u know that but they are paranoid"

Tero 22nd October 2020 08:40 AM

A rational person sorting the misinformation:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...d-drive-431022

wareyin 22nd October 2020 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266594)
I haven't seen any claim from Giuliani or the Delaware PD that Giuliani had the laptop. The laptop is on the subpoena. The repair guy is quoted as saying he handed the laptop to the FBI.

What laptop is the Delaware AG claiming Giuliani turned over to the Delaware PD?

shuttlt 22nd October 2020 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13266606)
What laptop is the Delaware AG claiming Giuliani turned over to the Delaware PD?

Do you have a quote of the Delaware AG claiming a laptop has been handing over by Giuliani. The quote you showed before said:

Quote:

They’ve got a hard drive or a laptop or something to that effect. They try to turn it over to New Castle County PD. New Castle County PD calls us
Do you have a quote that confirms it is in fact a laptop, and not maybe a hard disk, or some other media? Again, there was a subpoena for the laptop in December 2019 and the repair guy says he handed it over to the FBI then.

Babbylonian 22nd October 2020 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13266590)
When an administration changes I think you will find that most US attorneys are changed.

More critically, an attorney general loyal to the law will be put in office.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13266586)
You really just keep adding in tidbits when your original claims fail, don't you? The FBI decided they'd prefer a copy to the original? Who made that claim? Right now we have you claiming the FBI has the original laptop with no evidence, Giuliani and the Delaware PD claiming that Giuliani gave a laptop he claimed was Hunter's to the Delaware PD, and the repair guy providing evidence that the FBI subpoenaed a hard drive but not the laptop.




Your evidence they subpoenaed the laptop is lacking. In fact, given that Giuliani claimed he has the laptop, you are contradicted by the original source of this story.


https://www.delawareonline.com/story...te/3655753001/

"In a winding interview with the media, John Paul Mac Isaac, owner of The Mac Shop in Wilmington, recalled how in April 2019 a man who identified himself as Hunter Biden brought three liquid-damaged laptops to his small repair shop in the Trolley Square shopping center"

"A Wilmington computer repairman who reportedly gave a copy of Hunter Biden’s laptop hard drive to Rudy Giuliani’s attorney, Brian Costello"

"During the subsequent summer and fall, Mac Isaac said he became alarmed after browsing through the computer's files. He claims he then spoke with an associate more versed than him in the law and in current events.

That unnamed person then contacted the FBI, Mac Isaac said.

Federal investigators from Wilmington and Baltimore then subpoenaed the laptop in December"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...paul-mac-isaac

"When asked, Isaac, whose social media posts indicate is a supporter of President Trump, rejected the possibility that the laptop did not belong to Hunter Biden and was an attempt to set him up."

"The customer did not return for the laptop within 90 days and Isaac could not get in touch with him. Isaac said he first searched the emails by keyword in June or July of 2019."

"In September, he contacted an intermediary about the emails. The intermediary then contacted the FBI."

"According to Isaac’s account, the FBI first made a forensic copy of the laptop, then returned weeks later with a subpoena and confiscated it. When he stopped hearing from the FBI, Isaac said he contacted several members of Congress, who did not respond. At that point, his intermediary reached out to Rudy Giuliani’s attorney, Robert Costello."

shuttlt 22nd October 2020 08:55 AM

Is nobody interested in Biden's business partner? It amounts to an accusation that Joe Biden has been lying about his involvement in Hunter's business dealings and has been taking bribes from the Chinese. Plus obviously confirming that some of the emails are genuine.

wareyin 22nd October 2020 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266609)
Do you have a quote of the Delaware AG claiming a laptop has been handing over by Giuliani. The quote you showed before said:



Do you have a quote that confirms it is in fact a laptop, and not maybe a hard disk, or some other media? Again, there was a subpoena for the laptop in December 2019 and the repair guy says he handed it over to the FBI then.

Somehow we're both reading that quote of Giuliani trying to turn over a laptop to the Delaware PD, but only one of us can see the word laptop in it?

Eta: the repair guy has repeatedly given different stories. Relying on his word is not advisable.

JoeMorgue 22nd October 2020 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266617)
Is nobody interested in Biden's business partner? It amounts to an accusation that Joe Biden has been lying about his involvement in Hunter's business dealings and has been taking bribes from the Chinese. Plus obviously confirming that some of the emails are genuine.

We would be if there was anything on this nothingburger outside the word of a known liar and and a totally unknown dropping conveniently at the 11th hour of an election Trump has openly declared he's going to cheat to win.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13266606)
What laptop is the Delaware AG claiming Giuliani turned over to the Delaware PD?

You are playing semantics revolving around "the laptop." The repair guy only copied one. When people and stories mention "the laptop" they are obviously referring to the copies of the original. The FBI has THE LAPTOP.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13266620)
We would be if there was anything on this nothingburger outside the word of a known liar and and a totally unknown dropping conveniently at the 11th hour of an election Trump has openly declared he's going to cheat to win.

The repair shop guy is a known liar?

wareyin 22nd October 2020 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266617)
Is nobody interested in Biden's business partner? It amounts to an accusation that Joe Biden has been lying about his involvement in Hunter's business dealings and has been taking bribes from the Chinese. Plus obviously confirming that some of the emails are genuine.

The Chinese deal that didn't happen? That big nothing burger?

shuttlt 22nd October 2020 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13266618)
Somehow we're both reading that quote of Giuliani trying to turn over a laptop to the Delaware PD, but only one of us can see the word laptop in it?

Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
Edited for rule 0 and rule 12, and rule 11.


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They’ve got a hard drive or a laptop or something to that effect
It could be a laptop, or it might not. He doesn't know and doesn't say.

Given that we have the subpoena with the laptop on it, and the account from the repair shop guy where he says he handed over the laptop to the FBI.... it seems unlikely that the laptop from the shop is what is being discussed here.

wareyin 22nd October 2020 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266626)
Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
Edited for rule 0 and rule 12, and rule 11.

Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
Edited for rule 12.



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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266626)
It could be a laptop, or it might not. He doesn't know and doesn't say.

Given that we have the subpoena with the laptop on it, and the account from the repair shop guy where he says he handed over the laptop to the FBI.... it seems unlikely that the laptop from the shop is what is being discussed here.

Given that the repair guy has changed his story repeatedly, I've already pointed out that relying on his claims is not wise. But, when you are forced to rely on a known liar or your narrative falls apart, you have to do what you have to do, huh?

JoeMorgue 22nd October 2020 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13266622)
The repair shop guy is a known liar?

*Shrugs* Compared to Joe Biden, sure.

Not sure why you're pearl clutching over the suggestion that this guy is a liar when you're so comfortable calling Biden one.

And Giuliani absolutely is a liar.

The whole "Oh so you're calling me a liar" tough guy act is sad, even worse when it's being done third person.

Dr. Keith 22nd October 2020 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13266568)
At this point are we to believe that Trump's FBI is working hard for the Bidens by hiding this obvious evidence of criminal conduct?

Deep State?
Trump's Best People?
Barr too distracted by Covid exposure?

Why would Trump's FBI be protecting the Bidens for so long? Why would Trump's own people hide a smoking gun of Biden corruption?

I swear, I can't wait for Trump to finally be elected so he can drain the swamp and get the Federal Government working for the Truth 'n Just-us and Lawn Order.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266573)
Bureaucracies don't necessarily change their politics just because the CEO changes. Short of firing the whole of the DoJ, any change is going to be gradual.

Is it you position that the FBI has had credible evidence of Biden corruption for almost a year and not done anything because individual agents are willing to risk their careers and pensions to cover this fact up?

And now that this has become public, how has the FBI not reviewed this data in the last few days, fired the duplicitous agents and revealed the obvious corruption? I mean, most of you have it all figured out without any access to the evidence at all.

At this point it has become clear that Trump's "Best People" are actually just cultist online shills, not anyone he has actually hired.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13266637)
*Shrugs* Compared to Joe Biden, sure.

Not sure why you're pearl clutching over the suggestion that this guy is a liar when you're so comfortable calling Biden one.

And Giuliani absolutely is a liar.

The whole "Oh so you're calling me a liar" tough guy act is sad, even worse when it's being done third person.

No, I just want people to say he's lying instead of beating around the bush like you just did.

wareyin 22nd October 2020 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13266646)
No, I just want people to say he's lying instead of beating around the bush like you just did.

Which version of his story is true, and how do you know?

JoeMorgue 22nd October 2020 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13266646)
No, I just want people to say he's lying instead of beating around the bush like you just did.

Errrr.... okay. I guess we can get back to beating around the bush you want to beat around this.

*Rolls Eyes*

varwoche 22nd October 2020 09:35 AM

In the movie Independence Day, there were woeful losers welcoming the alien invasion. Of course, they're fictional characters. They don't have to look themselves in the mirror and wonder why they exert effort propping up a fascistic, racist, sociopathic, infantile, lying imbecile.

TahiniBinShawarma 22nd October 2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13266638)
Is it you position that the FBI has had credible evidence of Biden corruption for almost a year and not done anything because individual agents are willing to risk their careers and pensions to cover this fact up?

And now that this has become public, how has the FBI not reviewed this data in the last few days, fired the duplicitous agents and revealed the obvious corruption? I mean, most of you have it all figured out without any access to the evidence at all.

At this point it has become clear that Trump's "Best People" are actually just cultist online shills, not anyone he has actually hired.

An e-mail to Hunter Biden's partner from a top Chinese official on July 26, 2017 shows the Chinese energy company CEFC proposed a $5 million "interest-free" loan to the Biden family "based on their trust on [Biden] family[.]"

"Should CEFC keep lending more to the family?"

Less than two weeks later, on August 8, 2017, $5 million was wired from a CEFC-affiliated investment vehicle to a Delaware LLC, which spent the next year transfering nearly $4.8 million directly to Hunter Biden's firm, according to Senate investigators.

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/med...port_FINAL.pdf

Interest Free Loans are illegal (violation of IRC). Loans over $100,000 require interest payment of AFR%-any amount paid. Further, that's around 70k per year interest which Bidens would have to report on their 709. Again if true, but those are the rules.

timhau 22nd October 2020 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13266617)
Is nobody interested in Biden's business partner? It amounts to an accusation that Joe Biden has been lying about his involvement in Hunter's business dealings and has been taking bribes from the Chinese. Plus obviously confirming that some of the emails are genuine.

Did that come with the $5 million emails Rudy bought in the Ukraine, or did he have to pay for this service?

Ziggurat 22nd October 2020 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13266659)
In the movie Independence Day, there were woeful losers welcoming the alien invasion. Of course, they're fictional characters. They don't have to look themselves in the mirror and wonder why they exert effort propping up a fascistic, racist, sociopathic, infantile, lying imbecile.

Biden's not THAT bad.

The Great Zaganza 22nd October 2020 09:53 AM

Looks like they got Biden dead-to-rights.
No one is going to vote for him.

Trump supporters might just as well stay at home, since their victory is assured.

Beelzebuddy 22nd October 2020 09:57 AM

No, they should vote. EVERYONE should vote.

Come November 5, nothing would make me happier than seeing a long line of flag-waving Trump supporters waiting to vote outside my neighbourhood polling station.

shuttlt 22nd October 2020 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13266638)
Is it you position that the FBI has had credible evidence of Biden corruption for almost a year

This part does seem like it is the case at the moment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13266638)
and not done anything because individual agents are willing to risk their careers and pensions to cover this fact up?

I wouldn't know about this. There seem like there are other possibilities. It doesn't seem impossible given that we know came out around Peter Strzok and altered/concealed evidence but it is way too early to say. I was disagreeing with you that just because Trump is President, the FBI is necessarily batting for him.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13266638)
And now that this has become public, how has the FBI not reviewed this data in the last few days, fired the duplicitous agents and revealed the obvious corruption? I mean, most of you have it all figured out without any access to the evidence at all.

Well, if anybody is going to get fired a public announcement that they were being fired over this case would seem to conflict with not commenting on open cases. I don't know how long it would normally take for them to fire somebody, but this timescale seems very short. How long did it take for Strzok to go? Also, its one thing to find that they have sat on an investigation and another to prove that that was done for corrupt reasons.


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