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Belz... 7th April 2021 06:54 AM

What in the blue hell is he talking about? It's like he took buzzwords from a hat and tried to make a sentence with them.

JoeMorgue 7th April 2021 07:01 AM

The best "Culture Wars" are always ones that are so incredibly undefined that you can just always be a contrarian jerkwad to anyone that pisses you off and act like you are "Fighting to the Good Fight."

bruto 7th April 2021 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 13447001)
She wasn't voted on to be effective, she was elected to troll the libs. No one else could do that job as well. She is a lock, because she is the most in touch with the republican base.

I think if you want to understand the right wing base you need to consider the Capitol insurrection as emblematic. They are so convinced of the depths of the conspiracies they've been fed that they see their best vindication in revolt, failure and collapse, a holocaust they childishly expect to survive. They'd hate to admit it, but I think the nearest relatives of that base are terrorists who bomb buses.

SuburbanTurkey 7th April 2021 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 13447064)
What in the blue hell is he talking about? It's like he took buzzwords from a hat and tried to make a sentence with them.

Culture war baby. All gas no brakes!

newyorkguy 7th April 2021 08:05 AM

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I think an insight into the minds of Greene supporters can be gleaned from a comment I saw on a local Georgia news site. The reporter visited Greene's district to talk to voters. Those who were critical of Greene were very critical but remember, she won her district in a landslide with 74% of the vote.

The reporter asked voters about the image [below] that Greene tweeted. It shows Green in sunglasses holding a military-style rifle, with photos of Representatives Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The caption reads, "Squad's Worst Nightmare." The reporter asked, "Was this offensive?"

One woman, an older middle-class lady, well-groomed, nicely dressed, answered, no it was not offensive. She explained, something along the lines, "What is offensive to me is these people coming here to change our way of life." She said that was very offensive. Who are they, where do they think they get the right to change how we live?

What was she talking about? How are Omar, Pressley and Ocasio-Cortex trying to change this woman's way of life? The lady probably couldn't have explained. But she knows society is changing and, rather than deal with it, she is looking for an easy solution. Find scapegoats and attack them. That seems to be a fairly wide-spread attitude. I know many people in New York with the same attitude. Greene might do well in certain districts in Staten Island, for instance. ;)

Foster Zygote 7th April 2021 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13447159)
One woman, an older middle-class lady, well-groomed, nicely dressed, answered, no it was not offensive. She explained, something along the lines, "What is offensive to me is these people coming here to change our way of life." She said that was very offensive. Who are they, where do they think they get the right to change how we live?

She's also blowing the dog whistle of racism with the highlighted part. People like her still view "native" Americans as exclusively white (while conveniently forgetting that the actual native population even exists). Anyone with darker skin, a religion other than Protestant Christianity, or a non northern European sounding name can be dismissed as an outsider who has unjustly infiltrated their perfect, white world and is bent on destroying them. It doesn't matter that Pressley was born in Cincinnati, or that Ocasio-Cortez was born in New York City to Puerto Rican parents, and that Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. All that matters is that they're messing up their perfect white world.

Norman Alexander 7th April 2021 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13447159)
I think an insight into the minds of Greene supporters can be gleaned from a comment I saw on a local Georgia news site. The reporter visited Greene's district to talk to voters. Those who were critical of Greene were very critical but remember, she won her district in a landslide with 74% of the vote.

The reporter asked voters about the image [below] that Greene tweeted. It shows Green in sunglasses holding a military-style rifle, with photos of Representatives Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The caption reads, "Squad's Worst Nightmare." The reporter asked, "Was this offensive?"

One woman, an older middle-class lady, well-groomed, nicely dressed, answered, no it was not offensive. She explained, something along the lines, "What is offensive to me is these people coming here to change our way of life." She said that was very offensive. Who are they, where do they think they get the right to change how we live?

What was she talking about? How are Omar, Pressley and Ocasio-Cortex trying to change this woman's way of life? The lady probably couldn't have explained. But she knows society is changing and, rather than deal with it, she is looking for an easy solution. Find scapegoats and attack them. That seems to be a fairly wide-spread attitude. I know many people in New York with the same attitude. Greene might do well in certain districts in Staten Island, for instance. ;)

Where is "here" for this little old lady? Does she think The Squad have moved in next door to her? Or in the same block? Or city? They live and work thousands of miles away, yet somehow they are coming "here" to make her particular life hell.

The ignorance is staggering.

Stacyhs 7th April 2021 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13447535)
Where is "here" for this little old lady? Does she think The Squad have moved in next door to her? Or in the same block? Or city? They live and work thousands of miles away, yet somehow they are coming "here" to make her particular life hell.

The ignorance is staggering.

She means "White, Evangelical-Southern Baptist-type-Christian America" because to people like her that is 'here'.

Norman Alexander 7th April 2021 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13447573)
She means "White, Evangelical-Southern Baptist-type-Christian America" because to people like her that is 'here'.

Sounds like she has never left her village in her life. Figuratively and literally.

Stacyhs 8th April 2021 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13447714)
Sounds like she has never left her village in her life. Figuratively and literally.

If she has, she strikes me as the kind that would sit in a Paris cafe and loudly whine, "Why can't the French put ice in my Diet Coke like in America?"

The Don 8th April 2021 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13448009)
If she has, she strikes me as the kind that would sit in a Paris cafe and loudly whine, "Why can't the French put ice in my Diet Coke like in America?"

That presumes that she would be willing to leave the US.

Stacyhs 8th April 2021 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13448010)
That presumes that she would be willing to leave the US.

She probably orders 'Freedom Fries' in the Reps' dining room still.

Belz... 8th April 2021 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13448012)
She probably orders 'Freedom Fries' in the Reps' dining room still.

If these yokels had their way, everything would have the word "freedom" in it, all the while none of them understand what the word means.

kookbreaker 8th April 2021 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 13448087)
If these yokels had their way, everything would have the word "freedom" in it, all the while none of them understand what the word means.

Waving their AR-15s in the dark-skinned people’s faces! Duh!

Blue Mountain 8th April 2021 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 13448087)
If these yokels had their way, everything would have the word "freedom" in it, all the while none of them understand what the word means.

Reminiscent of "People's Democratic Republic."

bruto 8th April 2021 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Mountain (Post 13448951)
Reminiscent of "People's Democratic Republic."

In the People's Democratic Republic we put the undesirables behind the Freedom Fence®.

Foster Zygote 8th April 2021 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13447714)
Sounds like she has never left her village in her life. Figuratively and literally.

She seems to think she lives in The Village.

smartcooky 9th April 2021 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13447714)
Sounds like she has never left her village in her life. Figuratively and literally.

Idiots rarely leave their villages

grunion 9th April 2021 02:54 PM

Just one of the many who are too cowed by the threat of others to uncheck the prechecked (scam) boxes in the RNC fundraising emails. I wonder if there will be any outraged defections about that.

RolandRat 9th April 2021 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13447159)
How are Omar, Pressley and Ocasio-Cortex trying to change this woman's way of life?

if the reporter didn't ask this follow up question then that reporter was bad. Low hanging fruit should be plucked in these situations.

slyjoe 9th April 2021 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RolandRat (Post 13450058)
if the reporter didn't ask this follow up question then that reporter was bad. Low hanging fruit should be plucked in these situations.

This seems to happen a lot - reporters don't ask obvious tough follow up questions. I asked a radio reporter about this once and he said "one word - access. If they don't like what you ask you don't get to ask again."

Note: obviously there are some limitations to that. I don't think the president could shut out Fox completely, for example.

MRC_Hans 10th April 2021 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13450125)
This seems to happen a lot - reporters don't ask obvious tough follow up questions. I asked a radio reporter about this once and he said "one word - access. If they don't like what you ask you don't get to ask again."

Note: obviously there are some limitations to that. I don't think the president could shut out Fox completely, for example.

That's bad, I think. So reporters prefer the chance to ask more superficial questions to the opportunity to drive a point home? No wonder the media are so little respected. And this is a "person on the street"; there is an endless supply of "persons on the street", so why worry bout access?

:mad:

Hans

newyorkguy 10th April 2021 10:10 AM

Ironic, the thread about Marjorie Taylor Greene has been turned into a beat-up-the-press thread. How many of you read the news story? How many of you know what the reporter asked or didn't ask? How many of you know -- could know -- whether the reporter asked followup questions and got answers but that they were edited out?

This was a local reporter working for a local news company writing for a local audience. He showed the tweet photo to residents and asked was it offensive. Most -- but not all by any means -- said they didn't find it offensive. One woman answered that what was offensive was the representatives trying to change American lives. The journalist's job is reporting, not 'driving home points.' Did he ask her how the three congress members were changing American lives? I don't recall. If she was asked, she'd undoubtedly have cited things like defunding the police, giving antifa and BLM protesters carte blanch to trample on the law and violate the rights of property owners. Trying to put in place economic/social programs that 'transfer wealth' by taxing the well-to-do and using the money to fund programs for the poor and needy.

Haven't we been there-done that? Over and over and over, especially in the past four years? ;)

Skeptic Ginger 10th April 2021 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans (Post 13450540)
That's bad, I think. So reporters prefer the chance to ask more superficial questions to the opportunity to drive a point home? No wonder the media are so little respected. And this is a "person on the street"; there is an endless supply of "persons on the street", so why worry bout access?

:mad:

Hans

My thoughts as well. That makes it a given these press conferences were mostly a waste of time.

Skeptic Ginger 10th April 2021 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13450572)
Ironic, the thread about Marjorie Taylor Greene has been turned into a beat-up-the-press thread. How many of you read the news story? How many of you know what the reporter asked or didn't ask? How many of you know -- could know -- whether the reporter asked followup questions and got answers but that they were edited out?

This was a local reporter working for a local news company writing for a local audience. He showed the tweet photo to residents and asked was it offensive. Most -- but not all by any means -- said they didn't find it offensive. One woman answered that what was offensive was the representatives trying to change American lives. The journalist's job is reporting, not 'driving home points.' Did he ask her how the three congress members were changing American lives? I don't recall. If she was asked, she'd undoubtedly have cited things like defunding the police, giving antifa and BLM protesters carte blanch to trample on the law and violate the rights of property owners. Trying to put in place economic/social programs that 'transfer wealth' by taxing the well-to-do and using the money to fund programs for the poor and needy.

Haven't we been there-done that? Over and over and over, especially in the past four years? ;)

Got anything to show us how stupid we were here? I'd like to see what I missed.

newyorkguy 10th April 2021 03:24 PM

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I posted about a local news report I read. It was interesting, a local reporter talking with 'people on the street.' Now references are being made to press conferences. That they were a waste of time because of the lack of tough followup questions.

Separate issue, but okay.

What press conferences are being referred to? I'm posting a C-Span link to Greene's press conference the day after she was stripped of her committee assignments by the House. C-Span link It's twenty-two minutes long and is preceded by an ad that can be turned off in five seconds. The questions, at least the ones I could hear, seemed to be pretty much on point. If anyone is expecting a journalist is going to tell her off but frame it as a question, forget it. It doesn't and shouldn't work that way.

Has Marjorie Taylor Greene addressed the Facebook ad "Squad's Worst Nightmare" at a press conference? I was not aware she had. She was asked about the ad by Buzzfeed:
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Asked by BuzzFeed News whether her post should be taken as a threat against the women pictured, Greene said, "Those who say that are paranoid and ridiculous. Fake news is always looking for the next conspiracy theory. This question is idiotic. Go back to bed." Buzzfeed link
The ad was removed by Facebook for violating rules against inciting violence.

Below is the ad as it appeared on Facebook

smartcooky 10th April 2021 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13450125)
This seems to happen a lot - reporters don't ask obvious tough follow up questions. I asked a radio reporter about this once and he said "one word - access. If they don't like what you ask you don't get to ask again."

Note: obviously there are some limitations to that. I don't think the president could shut out Fox completely, for example.


...and why would he want to do that anyway? Those idiots have been gold for the Dems. Many of the Faux reporters at White House press conferences seem to regularly commit unforced errors and end up looking like fools when Jen Psaki debunks their BS and ends up owning them.

Psaki is way smarter and sharper than any of the idiot reporters at Faux, especially those who are members of the White House press corps.

quadraginta 10th April 2021 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 13446998)
I don't think this is necessarily true. For example, I don't think there is any way in hell she would survive a primary challenge. It would be really easy for a challenger to use the "we may agree with her positions, but clearly she is toxic. You need someone in congress who can actually represent your interests, not someone who gets ignored. Elect me and I will not only represent you, but I will maintain the ability to actually get something done."


I don't think you appreciate the environment of Georgia's 14th Congressional District. The one she was elected from.

It's 40% rural, 84% white, and 56% blue collar. In the last two presidential elections Trump won by 75% and 73% respectively. It is considered by some measures one of the ten most Repugnican districts in the entire country.

Greene's disgusting antics and virulent racism and bigotry are like red meat to her constituency. And they are unquestionably carnivores. There isn't enough of a rational component of Repugnicans in that district to even consider whether "someone in congress who can actually represent your interests, not someone who gets ignored" as a valid basis for choosing somebody else.

To beat her in an election, even a primary, one of two things would have to happen. Either she would have to commit some transgression so heinous that the right wing-nut fundi conservatives would abandon her ... and we have four years of evidence that that probably isn't even possible any more, or she would have to be challenged by someone who is even deeper into the weeds than she is.

That second possibility is, sadly, not so far-fetched.

Stacyhs 10th April 2021 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13450792)
I don't think you appreciate the environment of Georgia's 14th Congressional District. The one she was elected from.

It's 40% rural, 84% white, and 56% blue collar. In the last two presidential elections Trump won by 75% and 73% respectively. It is considered by some measures one of the ten most Repugnican districts in the entire country.

Greene's disgusting antics and virulent racism and bigotry are like red meat to her constituency. And they are unquestionably carnivores. There isn't enough of a rational component of Repugnicans in that district to even consider whether "someone in congress who can actually represent your interests, not someone who gets ignored" as a valid basis for choosing somebody else.

To beat her in an election, even a primary, one of two things would have to happen. Either she would have to commit some transgression so heinous that the right wing-nut fundi conservatives would abandon her ... and we have four years of evidence that that probably isn't even possible any more, or she would have to be challenged by someone who is even deeper into the weeds than she is.

That second possibility is, sadly, not so far-fetched.

I.E. she'd have to have a love child with a black, atheist, Socialist Democrat from California.

Regnad Kcin 10th April 2021 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13450811)
I.E. she'd have to have a love child with a black, atheist, Socialist Democrat from California.

Any volunteers want to make one for the team?

mgidm86 10th April 2021 07:12 PM

After finding out that she's into that hard core cross-training stuff I began wondering if she does steroids, and if that would explain some of her strange behavior. She is hard core creepy to me.

Every time I see this thread at the top of the list I say something like "uggghhh" out loud.

Ranb 10th April 2021 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13450811)
I.E. she'd have to have a love child with a black, atheist, Socialist Democrat from California.

No way I'm moving to California! :)

smartcooky 10th April 2021 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranb (Post 13450838)
No way I'm moving to California! :)

Don't even joke about going there... and no, I don't mean California!! :D

Stacyhs 10th April 2021 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranb (Post 13450838)
No way I'm moving to California! :)

I left CA 31 years ago. :thumbsup: I'm an atheist :thumbsup: and a Democrat :thumbsup: but my DNA test says I can't claim to be black and my biology says I can't father her love child. But I could be talked into becoming a Socialist if the money was right. :D

Norman Alexander 11th April 2021 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mgidm86 (Post 13450834)
After finding out that she's into that hard core cross-training stuff I began wondering if she does steroids, and if that would explain some of her strange behavior. She is hard core creepy to me.

That or she was a weedy trans guy.

dudalb 12th April 2021 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13449309)
Idiots rarely leave their villages

Except for Village Idiot Conventions, if you remember that bit from Woody Allen' "Love and Death".

Stacyhs 12th April 2021 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13449309)
Idiots rarely leave their villages

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13452095)
Except for Village Idiot Conventions, if you remember that bit from Woody Allen' "Love and Death".

Or to attend Trump rallies.

dudalb 16th April 2021 03:12 PM

Started a thread about Taylor Green forming a "America First" caucus to support Anglo Saxon Political Values.

kookbreaker 18th April 2021 06:05 AM

Boebert and Greene were sole votes against the reauthorization of the National Marrow Donor program. The vote was passed 415-2.

Boebert rambled something about it contributing the the national debt while Greene rambled about it being related to abortion.

Way to go kids.

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/04/1...s-bone-marrow/

newyorkguy 18th April 2021 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kookbreaker (Post 13457074)
Boebert and Greene were sole votes against the reauthorization of the National Marrow Donor program. The vote was passed 415-2...

This is a program -- a database, actually -- that inventories bone marrow donors so people with leukemia or other deadly blood disease can be matched with a suitable donor. Here's Greene's explanation as to why she voted against it.
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Greene, who often makes outlandish claims to seek headlines, claimed that "Nothing in this bill prevents the funding of aborted fetal tissue by taxpayers." CNN report link
So it worked, at least the highlighted part, which is presumably all Greene cares about anyway.


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