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Stacyhs 27th June 2021 11:32 AM

No.

It's nice to have so many of Ohio's idiots gathered in one place so smarter Ohioans can recognize and avoid them more easily.


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Norman Alexander 27th June 2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13520489)
Marj was at Wellington Ohio last night to help trump kick off his revenge tour. At the rally Greene blasted AOC as "the little communist from New York City." When the crowd began to chant 'lock her up' Greene responded, "Right. Yeah, lock her up too, that’s a good idea."

AOC responded in typical fashion: First of all, I'm taller than her.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1408938900651970560

Stacyhs 27th June 2021 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13520789)
AOC responded in typical fashion: First of all, I'm taller than her.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1408938900651970560

And a hell of a lot smarter even if I don't agree with all her policies.

gnome 27th June 2021 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13520916)
And a hell of a lot smarter even if I don't agree with all her policies.

In the world of MTG's audience, having an opinion you disagree with makes someone dumb automatically--and a pithy statement of disagreement proves you smart.

Stacyhs 27th June 2021 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13520933)
In the world of MTG's audience, having an opinion you disagree with makes someone dumb automatically--and a pithy statement of disagreement proves you smart.

I'm not sure MTG's audience could distinguish pithy from loquacious. Or even recognize those words.

Kid Eager 27th June 2021 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13520946)
I'm not sure MTG's audience could distinguish pithy from loquacious. Or even recognize those words.

Just for y'all non-intellectuals reading this thread, they're not really that hard to distinguish:
* Pithy is the ability to float like a duck, therefore not being a witch
* Loquacious is what you get from trying to eat a very ripe mango

sackett 27th June 2021 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13520916)
And a hell of a lot smarter even if I don't agree with all her policies.

She probably wouldn't agree with all of yours. But you could walk and talk quietly with her while discussing matters. Try that with Marjie T. Gangrene.

No, don't. I think she's a failed tranny, and would come at you all Y-chromosomey with a roll of nickels in each fist. Keep a safe distance is my free advice.

gnome 27th June 2021 06:21 PM

Gender presentation is the last thing on my mind. She could look like Richard Moll in a dress and I wouldn't mind so long as she was saying less insane things.

And they might not know what "pith" means, but an obnoxious statement like "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!" is the height of intellect to the kind of person I'm speaking of.

Skeptic Ginger 27th June 2021 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kid Eager (Post 13520957)
Just for y'all non-intellectuals reading this thread, they're not really that hard to distinguish:
* Pithy is the ability to float like a duck, therefore not being a witch
* Loquacious is what you get from trying to eat a very ripe mango

:sdl:

smartcooky 27th June 2021 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13520916)
And a hell of a lot smarter even if I don't agree with all her policies.


AOC is intelligent, attractive, well-educated and personable.... in other words, everything that MTG is not.

smartcooky 27th June 2021 10:11 PM

In my part of the world, and I think in Australia as well, Marjorie Traitor Greene is what would commonly (and somewhat rudely) be referred to as a "slag"... a pejorative term referring to a woman who is rude, brash, potty-mouthed and has loose morals with regard to sex... in other words, what Americans might call a slut.

The fact that she has been known to sleep around outside her marriage, especially with a couple of knuckleheads like these two, does not surprise me in the slightest!


Stacyhs 27th June 2021 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13520973)
Gender presentation is the last thing on my mind. She could look like Richard Moll in a dress and I wouldn't mind so long as she was saying less insane things.

And they might not know what "pith" means, but an obnoxious statement like "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!" is the height of intellect to the kind of person I'm speaking of.

:bigclap

Susheel 27th June 2021 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13520973)
Gender presentation is the last thing on my mind. She could look like Richard Moll in a dress and I wouldn't mind so long as she was saying less insane things.

And they might not know what "pith" means, but an obnoxious statement like "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!" is the height of intellect to the kind of person I'm speaking of.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

gypsyjackson 27th June 2021 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13521054)
In my part of the world, and I think in Australia as well, Marjorie Traitor Greene is what would commonly (and somewhat rudely) be referred to as a "slag"... a pejorative term referring to a woman who is rude, brash, potty-mouthed and has loose morals with regard to sex... in other words, what Americans might call a slut.

The fact that she has been known to sleep around outside her marriage, especially with a couple of knuckleheads like these two, does not surprise me in the slightest!


To be fair, that is an awesome Zangief costume.

Stacyhs 28th June 2021 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13521054)
In my part of the world, and I think in Australia as well, Marjorie Traitor Greene is what would commonly (and somewhat rudely) be referred to as a "slag"... a pejorative term referring to a woman who is rude, brash, potty-mouthed and has loose morals with regard to sex... in other words, what Americans might call a slut.

The fact that she has been known to sleep around outside her marriage, especially with a couple of knuckleheads like these two, does not surprise me in the slightest!


EW. Just ew.

jimbob 28th June 2021 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13520916)
And a hell of a lot smarter even if I don't agree with all her policies.

Undoubtedly true, but then your avatar is also smarter than Migraine T Gangrene and far nicer to look at.

Armitage72 28th June 2021 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13520933)
In the world of MTG's audience, having an opinion you disagree with makes someone dumb automatically--and a pithy statement of disagreement proves you smart.


On another forum I was reading a thread discussing the recent Ernie Gygax interview about his attempt to create a new TSR and RPGs in general, and the blow-up that happened afterward when the attitudes of he and his business partner became known.
It was suggested that some people live in a world where the Silent Majority is cranked up to 11. Almost everyone secretly agrees with them, but they all believe that they're alone, kept frightened by a small number of social gatekeepers. They believe that if they heroically lead the way and speak out, then everyone else will follow them and speak out as well, and then everything can go back to how it was in the Good Old Daysô.

bruto 28th June 2021 06:08 AM

I wish some people would remember that the first requirement for being part of the silent majority is to shut up.

ponderingturtle 28th June 2021 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13518430)
Also the ability to use it effectively if they do use it.
There is a reason the US army in WW2 replaced the pistol with a carbine rifle for none combat troops like drivers, MPs, Signalmen etc.
To use a pistol effectively takes training and practice.

All I know is my dads opinion of the one he carried in Vietnam was a piece of garbage and couldn't reliably hit anything. Of course the one he had was not the A version so was from WWI.

Pacal 28th June 2021 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13521054)
In my part of the world, and I think in Australia as well, Marjorie Traitor Greene is what would commonly (and somewhat rudely) be referred to as a "slag"... a pejorative term referring to a woman who is rude, brash, potty-mouthed and has loose morals with regard to sex... in other words, what Americans might call a slut.

The fact that she has been known to sleep around outside her marriage, especially with a couple of knuckleheads like these two, does not surprise me in the slightest!


Those guys look like some of the members of a Bear club whose events I used to attend. (Before Covid.) I rather suspect Ms. Greene and the guys would have a meltdown if this was pointed out to them.

Stacyhs 28th June 2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13521306)
I wish some people would remember that the first requirement for being part of the silent majority is to shut up.

:lol2:

dudalb 28th June 2021 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13520489)
Marj was at Wellington Ohio last night to help trump kick off his revenge tour. At the rally Greene blasted AOC as "the little communist from New York City." When the crowd began to chant 'lock her up' Greene responded, "Right. Yeah, lock her up too, thatís a good idea."

Let's see:
"America First" was a de facto pro Nazi Germany organization in the US in the 1930's. (They were not officially pro Nazi, but everything they advocated helped Nazi Germany),
MTG has embraced "America First".
There fore MTG is pro Nazi.
Makes as much sense as her accusation that AOC is a Communist. What is good fro the goose, etc.

gnome 28th June 2021 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13521654)
Let's see:
"America First" was a de facto pro Nazi Germany organization in the US in the 1930's. (They were not officially pro Nazi, but everything they advocated helped Nazi Germany),
MTG has embraced "America First".
There fore MTG is pro Nazi.
Makes as much sense as her accusation that AOC is a Communist. What is good fro the goose, etc.

Another way of looking at it though, is that someone who objects to MTG's line of reasoning should not be applying it.

Sure, you can make a case that you're doing so ironically to make the point--my question is, who are you expecting to persuade with that irony? These days lots of political arguments are so overlaid with layers of sarcasm and other forms of irony that they get mixed up with Poes and the point is lost.

Unless you think your target audience is receptive to irony, I argue it's more productive to simply call out bad reasoning plainly, or at best express it as a clear hypothetical: "You wouldn't like it if I argued this way"

dudalb 28th June 2021 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13521795)
Another way of looking at it though, is that someone who objects to MTG's line of reasoning should not be applying it.

Sure, you can make a case that you're doing so ironically to make the point--my question is, who are you expecting to persuade with that irony? These days lots of political arguments are so overlaid with layers of sarcasm and other forms of irony that they get mixed up with Poes and the point is lost.

Unless you think your target audience is receptive to irony, I argue it's more productive to simply call out bad reasoning plainly, or at best express it as a clear hypothetical: "You wouldn't like it if I argued this way"

I Hope that the target audience in this thread is receptive to irony.....

dudalb 28th June 2021 03:42 PM

Dan Crenshaw moving into MTG Territory with his demands that an athelete be removed from the US Olymplc Team for her protest on Saturday.

Stacyhs 28th June 2021 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13521893)
Dan Crenshaw moving into MTG Territory with his demands that an athelete be removed from the US Olymplc Team for her protest on Saturday.

What is the GOP line on 'cancel culture' this week? I'm getting whiplash.

Quote:

Dan Crenshaw
@DanCrenshawTX

Jun 22, 2020
It is time to cancel Cancel Culture. This has to stop. It has no end. It is a violent purge of all things - art, speech, history - that donít conform to the radical progressive religion. Wake up America. Hold the line.

gnome 28th June 2021 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13521800)
I Hope that the target audience in this thread is receptive to irony.....

True, but the audience here scarcely needs persuading.

wareyin 29th June 2021 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13521936)
True, but the audience here scarcely needs persuading.

And those that do need persuading are not reading this thread.

RolandRat 29th June 2021 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13522299)
And those that do need persuading are not reading this thread.

Those that do still need persuading are beyond redemption. No amount of reasoning will resonate with these people.

gnome 29th June 2021 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RolandRat (Post 13522301)
Those that do still need persuading are beyond redemption. No amount of reasoning will resonate with these people.

I am reluctant to assume that people are completely beyond the reach of reason. What I'm trying to say is that there are people who can be influenced by straightforward, respectful reasoning that might not be by sarcastic reasoning.

wareyin 29th June 2021 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13522318)
I am reluctant to assume that people are completely beyond the reach of reason. What I'm trying to say is that there are people who can be influenced by straightforward, respectful reasoning that might not be by sarcastic reasoning.

If someone could have been influenced by straightforward reasoning on this topic in this thread, they already have been. If they have not been influenced 43 pages in, then they aren't here reading or they are a lost cause. In both cases, sarcasm will do no harm to convincing them but will help those of us who have to deal with them blow off a little steam.

gnome 29th June 2021 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13522327)
If someone could have been influenced by straightforward reasoning on this topic in this thread, they already have been. If they have not been influenced 43 pages in, then they aren't here reading or they are a lost cause. In both cases, sarcasm will do no harm to convincing them but will help those of us who have to deal with them blow off a little steam.

You know, now that I've gone back and forth a bit I'm not sure why the post I responded to set me off on that rant. I'm over it, sorry all.

dudalb 29th June 2021 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13522318)
I am reluctant to assume that people are completely beyond the reach of reason. What I'm trying to say is that there are people who can be influenced by straightforward, respectful reasoning that might not be by sarcastic reasoning.

I see you seem to be lacking in the humor department.

Captain_Swoop 29th June 2021 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 13521394)
All I know is my dads opinion of the one he carried in Vietnam was a piece of garbage and couldn't reliably hit anything. Of course the one he had was not the A version so was from WWI.

By Vietnam there weren't so many left in service. They were mainly the A2 version thathada full automatic option and an extended magazine.
If he wasn't hitting anything it was down to him and his shooting ability. They were and are reasonably accurate rifles when used as intended which is as a personal defence weapon not a battle rifle. They were a pistol and SMG substitute.
They have picked up a reputation as being of indifferent reliability but that is down to the surviving examples being around 70 years old

dudalb 29th June 2021 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13522753)
By Vietnam there weren't so many left in service. They were mainly the A2 version thathada full automatic option and an extended magazine.
If he wasn't hitting anything it was down to him and his shooting ability. They were and are reasonably accurate rifles when used as intended which is as a personal defence weapon not a battle rifle. They were a pistol and SMG substitute.
They have picked up a reputation as being of indifferent reliability but that is down to the surviving examples being around 70 years old


The M16 as originally desinged by Armalite...basically a military version of the AR15 was quite reliable. BUt the the US Army Bureau Of Ordance got a hold of it and "improved" it into a piece of junk. Many claim it was deliberate, that BuOrd was angry because it was replacing the BuOrd designed M14 as the standard US combat rifle in Vietnam.
The ensuing scandle turned out to be a disaster for BuOrd.It lost much of it's power and it could no longer dictate to the other service branches when it came to weapons. The actual combat branches took the power of final decisions on weapons,
The problem with the M16 were largely fixed in 1969 and by 1970 the major problems were solved. The M16, after a very rocky start The M4, the current Standard US military rifle, is yet another variation of the basic M16 design. Not bad a gun that was first bought by the US Air Force for their base security services.
There have been a number of attempts to replace the M16 design with a "Buck Rogers/Star Wars" type weapon, but all have failed because of reliablity problems.

sackett 29th June 2021 01:12 PM

The US gummint restarted a carbine production line early in the run up to Nam, or so I've been told. (Damn if I can find a reference.) It was thought to be a good shoulder arm for most of the sort of engagements taking place. And of course there's that old old story about small-statured soldiers finding it suitable to their needs. (Length of pull is all that matters there, but nemmine.) It'll always have its appeal, partly from being cute and mostly from being less burden than a full-power rifle -- and that matters a whole serious lot, take it from a yardbird who hung an M14 around his neck in the ignorant armies of LBJ.

ponderingturtle 1st July 2021 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13522753)
By Vietnam there weren't so many left in service. They were mainly the A2 version thathada full automatic option and an extended magazine.
If he wasn't hitting anything it was down to him and his shooting ability. They were and are reasonably accurate rifles when used as intended which is as a personal defence weapon not a battle rifle. They were a pistol and SMG substitute.
They have picked up a reputation as being of indifferent reliability but that is down to the surviving examples being around 70 years old

No I was referring to the M1911 not M1 Carbine

sackett 1st July 2021 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 13524256)
No I was referring to the M1911 not M1 Carbine

Maybe not many M1911s still out there, but plenty of M1911A1s, low-numbered ones too, in shooting shape and still banging. And rattling when you shake them, because they're made that way.

In the hot zone, they were considered life insurance. Still are. Always will be.

kookbreaker 1st July 2021 10:11 AM

I swear I've seen this thread in the History subforum....

Galaxie 1st July 2021 12:21 PM

To bring the thread full-circle, we need to find out what Marjorie's thoughts are on the M1 carbine and M1911 pistol


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