yankee451,

Next time it snows go outside and throw a snowball at a window in your house. Do it with little force, some force, lots of force. Report back.

You could be right. Alas, the evidence supports my conclusions, not yours.

First, you explain to me how a 767 that spreads its mass and momentum over a wide area, is like a snowball. Then you explain to me how a pane of glass is like the steel columns of the WTC.

Completely missed the point. Just go throw the snowballs, dude.

Nope, I completely got the point. A snowball thrown against a pane of glass is nothing like a 767 slicing through parallel steel box columns. Dude.

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

But your thinking the impact damage looks a bit fishy does not make it impossible. And having rejected what thousands upon thousands of people saw with their own eyes, you have substituted an impossible attack with non-existent weapons and a hand wave about some kind of cover up operation which itself is quite clearly absurd and not remotely plausible.

Still you keep batting away the obvious: what did the proposers of this lunacy say when their superiors said "why don't we just use planes"?

If I was caught lying in court, all of my testimony would be considered suspect. Purdue's Scientific Cartoon depicted the jet wing slicing completely through the steel. How could they have missed this evidence?

https://911crashtest.org/wp-content/...2-1024x629.png

https://911crashtest.org/wp-content/...d-1024x576.png

Actually it is. Soft object hits hard object at speed.

Go throw. Dood.

No. The evidence doesn't change. Any explanation that also doesn't include an explanation for the dented cladding, which I contend is proof enough that it wasn't caused by a jet wing, and the sharply bent steel, is what you're referring to as hand waving.

I have explained ad nausea that if jets could do that, they probably would have used them. But because they can't do that, they chose to use what could do it. Log that in.

You first. Throw a snowball against a steel box column. Really hard.

The ignorance on this board is breathtaking.

The Twin Towers were not "Hardened Targets".

What about the eyewitnesses? People who saw the second plane. Locals, tourists, folk living miles away who had a view of Manhattan. Why do they think they saw a plane? Why do they *not* think they saw multiple missiles? How were they brainwashed so quickly, thoroughly and permanently? Have you ever heard of a brainwashing system which could do that? Anything even remotely like it? Any research which hinted such a thing might even hypothetically be developable?

Therefore, the bunker busters wouldn't need to use gravity to punch through concrete, and could instead be used to bend steel columns sharply.

What about them?

:D

And this is why you fail. You contend that the villains deliberately selected weapons to fake plane impact damage based on their expectation that the damage caused would not resemble plane damage. Can you see the flaw there?

When we eliminate the impossible what remains is that you're not as good at analysing plane crashes as you think. And that's all.

They saw the plane. Not your fantasy.

I'm not failing. The reactions are a clue that I'm spot on.

Prior to the "live" footage of 175, most of the reports were that anything BUT a large jet struck. Only one person who happened to be an executive for CNN reported seeing a large jet. Everyone else reported seeing no planes (bombs) missiles, or small planes. So I guess they were all fantasizing.

Why are you talking about TV reports? I'm talking about eyewitnesses.

How were they all brainwashed so that till this day they think they saw a plane?

I'm talking about the record of eye witness reports that came in during the 18 minutes between the first explosion in the north tower, and the second explosion in the south tower. I have explained it, and provided links to even more explanations. Most of the reports during that 18 minute period were that people saw missiles or small planes. Until the TELEVISION reported a big plane, everyone but one CNN exec reported small planes, missiles, and bombs. According to your own logic that makes the TELEVISION believers the brainwashed ones.

The first 18 minutes? What about the next 18 years?

Are you claiming that the initial confused reports from a developing situation are typically accurate and reliable? Have you ever followed a developing news story? It seems unlikely.

Tell me how you think the eyewitnesses were all got at. Can you think of any plausible way the plotters could hope to suppress every photo and video from cameras being pointed at the towers from miles around after the first crash?

No. Its absurd.

Not so fast, Steve.

First, you'll need to explain away the existence of four great ******* airliners, their passengers and crew, their families and the thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses who saw their demise. With their own eyes.

Please proceed.

No.

None of the evidence supports any of your ludicrous claims. You ineptitude begs the question of how much time you have spent in the real world in any meaningful way.

These are the facts:

On September 11th, 2001, 19 Al Qaeda operatives hijacked 4 commercial jetliners and used them as missiles to strike both towers of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon while the last plan was scuttled during a passenger revolt.

As a result of the attacks the US invaded Afghanistan and then later Iraq. Afghanistan was where bin Laden and Al Qaeda was based. Iraq was a mistake based on a not very bright President being pushed into a war driven by right-wing ideologues. Our inability to leave either country is due to a long list of reasons which receive very little debate in this country.

Your claims of CGI aircraft do not hold up to the 500,000+ eye witnesses in Manhattan that day. The missiles you claim were used were not operational and the prototypes are all accounted for, in fact all tactical air-to-ground missiles were accounted for on 9/12/2001. Your claim that these attacks were faked in order to get us into a war is wrought with inconsistencies the biggest one being that if the US Government was willing to go to such unrealistic lengths to fake an attack in the largest city on the eastern seaboard then they would have also PLANTED WMD'S IN IRAQ TO BE "FOUND" BY OUR INVASION FORCES.

That you claim not to understand the damage in the photographs is your failure, not ours. As usual a few members here have been willing to explain the mechanics behind the damage caused by the 767's wings only to have them dismissed with no counter explanation conducted at the same intellectual level. All we get from you is a glorified "Nah ah," and nothing of substance...if you respond at all. You dodge more posts than you respond to which suggests that you know you're trolling us with a BS claim.

No, therefore a pair of 767's moving at 500mph caused the damage to each tower.

The fireball was jet fuel, missiles don't carry that much.

A 1,000 pound warhead would have done far more damage than the airliners did and they would have heard the blast in New Jersey.

Throw in the fact that they could get the AGM-158 JASSM to work reliably until 2009 and you're left with a big nothing here.

Here's a cool video of the AGM-158 in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ5xoJfqXA4

Doesn't look anything like 9-11.

Soft versus hard at speed. Read it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia

A few things

The box columns at the level the plane hit tower 1 had 2 flanges of 1/2" plate connected to 3 webs of 1/4" steel. The OAL dimension was 13 1/2" x 14"... but the box column was hollow and 90% air.

These columns would not do well against a 500 mph impact of a wing, a pressurized cabin, and aluminum structure of an air frame, landing gear, tanks full of liquid, or engines and assorted actuators/motors.

second the photos you use were taken AFTER the damage and collapsing interior structure had impacted the facade... collapsing slabs and so on.

And i will ask Yankee again: What evidence WOULD you accept that your notions are mistaken and you are wrong? What would convince you?

"police that planted the plane parts..." :eek:

Talk about impossible. I made a PDF lullaby for your theory (49MB): "Airplane Debris, WTC 9/11." I posted a link and more on p. 4 of this thread with no response from you.

It was not possible for NBC Chopper4 to do a live CGI. That's why Ace Baker never considered it a live shot (8 live shots, total). That's why some no-planer troll flagged my video on the subject and got it taken down.

Will you be able to handle it when you find out you are wrong? What will you do then? Do you have any other hobbies? I recommend reading all of Robert Jordan's books before the TV show comes out on Amazon. It's about 4 million words of epic fantasy. Enjoy.

Clear this one up for me.
Jeff Prager claims WTC1 and 2 were destroyed with mini neutron bombs and no nanothermite. Gage (AE911T) claims they were destroyed using nanothermite and conventional explosives and no nukes. Who is correct?

It is interesting that AE911T does not support missiles being used to destroy the WTC buildings. Gage, Jones have admitted the buildings were struck by the jets, but is was controlled demolition that took down the buildings. Are you saying they are not telling the truth?

Please provide a link to the one concise alternative explanation regarding 9/11 that is supported by the evidence. Seems there are many authors all claiming to be correct.

A better explanation for the lightly damaged cladding and the sharp, lateral bends to the steel. It would be refreshing to even discuss it.

Thus far, the skeptics have been wrong about the crashes being broadcast live, wrong about where the engine allegedly impacted, wrong about the claim that only the bolted connections were broken, and very wrong about the assumed "thousands of witnesses."

So you tell me. What more will it take to convince you that you might be mistaken?

This thread is about the video layering used to mask the missile strikes used to cut the holes in the towers. The missiles were not responsible for the destruction of the towers, nor even for the shock and awe fireballs; they were only used to cut the holes.

It is a long story that I have tried to make as concise as possible, but if you want an alternative explanation that fits all the evidence, see below.

How the holes were cut.
How the videos were faked.
How the towers were destroyed.

Also:
Background of the architect, Yamasaki. Deep ties to the CIA and the defense industry.
The shady background of the WTC and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey
Who Knew What When? The New York City Cover-Up

One assumption on top of another. You know what you do to yourself when you assume.

Those are all links to your webpage. How about a link to a source not mentally ill?

Live footage is never live. For the Chopper 4 shot all they had to do was practice their shot from the same position. It would be no sweat to rehearse the footage for the explosion shot, and to create a CGI animation of a plane with a transparent background (or whatever that blurry mess was), so as to have the animation layer ready to go and matching the perspective they would capture the live explosion from. Easy peasy, and really the only way they could pull it off on "live" television (by not showing the crash).

“The thing about smart people is that they seem like crazy people to dumb people.”

― Stephen Hawking

The explanations you have been given been better reasoned from an engineering and scientific standpoint than the harebrained stuff you are making up.

The second crash was broadcast live. You might have a pet theory as to how you THINK it might have been live-faked, but you have not provided a single piece of evidence that it was. Its not enough to just say how you think it was done, you have to prove it by providing evidence... "it doesn't look right to me" is not evidence. Have you be able to detect mismatched alpha channels or opacity levels? Can you show me examples of where the compositor has got the scaling wrong? How about keying; have you found anywhere that the composite keying looks off. Show me some original video with those kinds of detectable flaws and you might have the beginning of some evidence to support your claims. Until then, you have got a big, fat nothingburger.

Only wrong your YOUR opinion

That is a misrepresentation of the claim.

Nope. There were literally thousands of witness to the south tower impact, and to the Pentagon impact.


A whole lot more that the unmitigated dross you are serving up here.

Well that explains why you think we are crazy!

Your projections are noted. I work with a couple of engineers who might disagree with you. I'm happy to discuss the lightly bent cladding and the sharply bent steel with anyone, especially engineers and physicists. If my conclusions are wrong then they'll be able to provide a better one. Good luck finding one who isn't as threatened by the facts as you are.


False. The crash was not broadcast live. What was shown was a plane (allegedly) which flew behind the towers, followed by the explosion. Every single "live" shot showed the NORTH FACE of the NORTH TOWER. Flight 175 allegedly flew into the SOUTH FACE of the SOUTH TOWER. Therefore, you're wrong. Still.


Other than the facts.

I have explained how it was done and have provided corroborating evidence to support it. That you choose to ignore it isn't my fault.



As the damage evidence shows, the there were no witnesses to a plane crash at the WTC, nor at the Pentagon. The assumption that there were thousands of witnesses doesn't change the damage evidence that says otherwise. And you're ignoring all the witness accounts who claimed to have seen small planes, missiles and bombs going off. The denial is strong with this one.