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mumblethrax 27th September 2021 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13611848)
That is an extremely cynical attitude. You have no idea whatsoever as to what he had in mind, you're just pulling stuf you made up out of the hole between you buttocks!

I have some idea as to what he had in mind, since he actually said it.

Emily's Cat 27th September 2021 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13610965)
And this is the mistake you, and people like you, keep making. Its not about "wrong beliefs" and "right beliefs", its about what we should regard as acceptable in a humane, caring and civilized society, and what should be not acceptable. In short, its not about good v bad, its about good v evil!

:confused: So... The inquisition was doing good by encouraging people to turn in their neighbors as heretics, because all non-christians are evil? The nazis were doing good by having 'good' citizens inform on their jewish aquaintances because jews are evil?

I'm still rather of the opinion that labeling beliefs as inherently evil, and then advocating and applauding the doxxing of those who hold those beliefs so that they can be persecuted is an evil tactic, regardless of how holy you think your cause is.

Emily's Cat 27th September 2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13611111)
Personally I dont think you need the quotation marks if weíre talking about Holocaust denial.

If your neighbors found out you were running secret Holocaust denial and white supremacy sites and no longer want to associate with you, they have every right to feel that way.

Oh, I see. That totally makes sense, and completely justifies doxxing people and advocating for their social and economic persecution!

Look, I can choose not to associate with people who hold views I find execrable. Everyone should make their own choices about who they associate with, how much they are willing to accept that other people hold views they disagree with very strongly.

But that's not what this is. This isn't Joan next door finding out that Greg is a closeted nazi. This is anonymous person on the internet hacking a bunch of people and throwing their information out for everyone to see, with the express intention of ruining their lives and getting them attacked.

I don't approve of that at all, no matter how strongly I disagree with the beliefs of those who are being exposed. I strongly disagree with a *lot* of beliefs expressed here. I rather strongly disagree with the beliefs expressed by posters who advocate for or laud violence against those whose politics don't match their own, or who don't adhere to the same dogmatic partisan tenets that they espouse.

But to intentionally expose their identities and try to get them harmed, that's so much of a social transgression and I'm constantly amazed at how many people think it's just peachy.

Emily's Cat 27th September 2021 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13611326)
Sorry, trying to browbeat me into some diseased worldview where one is required to be agnostic on the merits of fascism or other genocidal ideologies is not going to work.

It's both hilarious and generally good that these people who thought they were safe to go mask-off fash are suddenly getting outed to their surrounding communities.

There's a difference between being agnostic to another person's views that you strongly disagree with... and actually seeking to see them harmed - socially, economically, and potentially physically.

It's entirely possible for an intelligent and principled person to speak out and argue against fascist beliefs without actually desiring to see the fascist-belief-holder beaten into submission, rendered destitute, and deprived of society.

The advocacy for coercively ruining and threatening those with views you find abhorrent IS fascism.

dirtywick 27th September 2021 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612070)
Oh, I see. That totally makes sense, and completely justifies doxxing people and advocating for their social and economic persecution!

Look, I can choose not to associate with people who hold views I find execrable. Everyone should make their own choices about who they associate with, how much they are willing to accept that other people hold views they disagree with very strongly.

But that's not what this is. This isn't Joan next door finding out that Greg is a closeted nazi. This is anonymous person on the internet hacking a bunch of people and throwing their information out for everyone to see, with the express intention of ruining their lives and getting them attacked.

I don't approve of that at all, no matter how strongly I disagree with the beliefs of those who are being exposed. I strongly disagree with a *lot* of beliefs expressed here. I rather strongly disagree with the beliefs expressed by posters who advocate for or laud violence against those whose politics don't match their own, or who don't adhere to the same dogmatic partisan tenets that they espouse.

But to intentionally expose their identities and try to get them harmed, that's so much of a social transgression and I'm constantly amazed at how many people think it's just peachy.

I just wanted to say that trying to shame people for treating actual nazis like ďnazisĒ actually treat everyone else is a pretty hot take.

Well I totally understand why of all people on the internet Nazis would want to remain anonymous. I donít necessarily condone hacking people in principle and have mixed feelings on doxing. That said, it happened. I donít think you can really expect everyone else not to react to finding out someone is a real life nazi. Whether Joan found out on her own or someone else told her itís what happened. Itís a weird principal stance to expect people to carry on their personal relationships because they found out in an ďunfairĒ way, and doubly so to expect that to be the default stance in my opinion.

But by all means, if you want to be that forgiving that youíd willingly associate with Nazis because they wanted to do it secretly I think thatís your choice to make. I think most people, rightfully, would not.

rdwight 27th September 2021 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13611826)
That's odd. What exactly does he even mean by "resolution"?

She got fired and publicly shamed for being a racist POS. That's the resolution.

I mean, you can really confidently say she is a racist POS from a 20 second clip and a description from only one side? Seems a lot to infer from a short snapshot of her life. Maybe a bit of an extreme position?

d4m10n 27th September 2021 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rdwight (Post 13612158)
I mean, you can really confidently say she is a racist POS from a 20 second clip and a description from only one side? Seems a lot to infer from a short snapshot of her life. Maybe a bit of an extreme position?

https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/sta...99627761623044

Delphic Oracle 27th September 2021 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612063)
:confused: So... The inquisition was doing good by encouraging people to turn in their neighbors as heretics, because all non-christians are evil? The nazis were doing good by having 'good' citizens inform on their jewish aquaintances because jews are evil?



I'm still rather of the opinion that labeling beliefs as inherently evil, and then advocating and applauding the doxxing of those who hold those beliefs so that they can be persecuted is an evil tactic, regardless of how holy you think your cause is.

"Rule of so" writ large.

There's a world of difference between social consequences for possessing immutable qualities and the same for wilfully chosen behaviors and actions. Registering domain names and operating websites are not "beliefs," they are actions.

Defending people who foment, support, and contribute to bigotry that brings real harm to others from consequences for doing so is an odd hill to want to die on.

But there you are, at the peak.

Wave your flag proudly, I raise one finger on each hand in salute to your noble stand.

smartcooky 27th September 2021 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612063)
:confused: So... The inquisition was doing good by encouraging people to turn in their neighbors as heretics, because all non-christians are evil?

False equivalence fallacy.
Rule of So.

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612063)
The nazis were doing good by having 'good' citizens inform on their jewish aquaintances because jews are evil?

False equivalence fallacy.
Rule of So

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612063)
I'm still rather of the opinion that labelling beliefs as inherently evil, and then advocating and applauding the doxxing of those who hold those beliefs so that they can be persecuted is an evil tactic, regardless of how holy you think your cause is.

When it comes to fascists, racists, bigots, white supremacists and other far right scumbags, there is no middle ground, no grey area - you are either against them or you are for them. If you claim to be agnostic regarding these groups, you are lying to yourself and are part of the problem. You become an enabler who helps to make them stronger, more powerful and more widespread. Evil thrives in darkness. It hates the light for fear that it will be exposed. People with your attitude help evil to stay hidden.

"Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
-John Stuart Mill

Boudicca90 27th September 2021 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612074)
There's a difference between being agnostic to another person's views that you strongly disagree with... and actually seeking to see them harmed - socially, economically, and potentially physically.

It's entirely possible for an intelligent and principled person to speak out and argue against fascist beliefs without actually desiring to see the fascist-belief-holder beaten into submission, rendered destitute, and deprived of society.

The advocacy for coercively ruining and threatening those with views you find abhorrent IS fascism.

I used to be naÔve and believed that all viewpoints were valid to express in this country and that free speech was absolute. "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." was my general viewpoint. Surely in the marketplace of ideas, the 'right' ideas will win over the 'wrong' ideas?

Real life doesn't work that way, and allowing fascists, Nazis, and white supremacists a public platform to speak and spread their filth only enables them to gain power. And people like you, who seem to see all sides as generally equal, are unwitting accomplices.

tyr_13 27th September 2021 09:31 PM

The freedom of speech isn't the only freedom.

Freedom of association also exists.

smartcooky 27th September 2021 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Boudicca90 (Post 13612281)
I used to be naÔve and believed that all viewpoints were valid to express in this country and that free speech was absolute. "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." was my general viewpoint. Surely in the marketplace of ideas, the 'right' ideas will win over the 'wrong' ideas?

Agree. I gave up that kind of naive idealism 30+ years ago, after I read Sydney Schanberg's "The Death and Life of Dith Pran"(the names might be familiar to some)

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Originally Posted by Boudicca90 (Post 13612281)
Real life doesn't work that way, and allowing fascists, Nazis, and white supremacists a public platform to speak and spread their filth only enables them to gain power. And people like you, who seem to see all sides as generally equal, are unwitting accomplices.

100%.

tyr_13 27th September 2021 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Boudicca90 (Post 13612281)
And people like you, who seem to see all sides as generally equal, are unwitting accomplices.

Appeasers. Often 'centrists' who pick the middle position not because they've come to that position honestly like moderates, but through meta considerations to get them to the 'middle'.

Graham2001 28th September 2021 01:14 AM

Censorship by GoogleBot. In this case photographs on a GoogleDrive were designated 'terrorist promotion' resulting in the drive being locked and threatened with deletion.


The first video is one of several 'alerts' posted by members of the YouTube armoured vehicle history community. In the course of this the hypocracy of Google 'fighing discrimination' while flagging pictures of tanks in the middle east as 'terrorist promotion'...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeY_uroI_xI


The second is the 'Thank You' video from the affected person when the situation was resolved in their favour.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLmmNntk94w

Darat 28th September 2021 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612063)
...snip...

I'm still rather of the opinion that labeling beliefs as inherently evil, and then advocating and applauding the doxxing of those who hold those beliefs so that they can be persecuted is an evil tactic, regardless of how holy you think your cause is.

You contradict yourself.

Darat 28th September 2021 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Graham2001 (Post 13612395)
Censorship by GoogleBot. In this case photographs on a GoogleDrive were designated 'terrorist promotion' resulting in the drive being locked and threatened with deletion.


The first video is one of several 'alerts' posted by members of the YouTube armoured vehicle history community. In the course of this the hypocracy of Google 'fighing discrimination' while flagging pictures of tanks in the middle east as 'terrorist promotion'...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeY_uroI_xI


The second is the 'Thank You' video from the affected person when the situation was resolved in their favour.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLmmNntk94w

And what is the point you want to make?

Darat 28th September 2021 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tyr_13 (Post 13612296)
Appeasers. Often 'centrists' who pick the middle position not because they've come to that position honestly like moderates, but through meta considerations to get them to the 'middle'.

I have been told that it is only an emotional response that I believe those that want to kill me for no other reason than me being a homosexual i.e. self-identified Nazis are wrong....

SuburbanTurkey 28th September 2021 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rdwight (Post 13612158)
I mean, you can really confidently say she is a racist POS from a 20 second clip and a description from only one side? Seems a lot to infer from a short snapshot of her life. Maybe a bit of an extreme position?

It's the position that her boss took when he fired her. That's kinda my point, someone who has already passed judgement and extracted a punishment is not really in a position to mediate any additional "resolution". I tend to agree with mumblethrax that this boss sees this as an opportunity to insert himself into a situation more so than he really merits.

smartcooky 28th September 2021 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rdwight (Post 13612158)
I mean, you can really confidently say she is a racist POS from a 20 second clip and a description from only one side? Seems a lot to infer from a short snapshot of her life. Maybe a bit of an extreme position?

What's the alternative? Absolutely not-a-racist person makes a racially charged remark, then tries to deny it, and then gets fired for it? Really? Well, you might buy that pile of dog feces, but I don't - not for a moment.

I do not believe that a person who tells a black man walking his dog to "to stay in your 'hood", is not a racist., and especially when they do so right in front of a third-party witness!

SuburbanTurkey 28th September 2021 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Boudicca90 (Post 13612281)
I used to be naÔve and believed that all viewpoints were valid to express in this country and that free speech was absolute. "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." was my general viewpoint. Surely in the marketplace of ideas, the 'right' ideas will win over the 'wrong' ideas?

Real life doesn't work that way, and allowing fascists, Nazis, and white supremacists a public platform to speak and spread their filth only enables them to gain power. And people like you, who seem to see all sides as generally equal, are unwitting accomplices.

I think we are well passed the time where such stances could be attributed to naivety. American fascists have repeatedly showed the public who they are and what they hope to achieve, those that are still carrying water for their movement through pretextual mewling about "free speech" or the "marketplace of ideas" are just cowards, enablers, or collaborators.

d4m10n 28th September 2021 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13612514)
I do not believe that a person who tells a black man walking his dog to "to stay in your 'hood", is not a racist., and especially when they do so right in front of a third-party witness!

You're taking someone's word for it on this part, since she doesn't say it on video.

Elaedith 28th September 2021 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 13612525)
You're taking someone's word for it on this part, since she doesn't say it on video.

I believe she probably said it, although I certainly wouldn't take Joseph's word for it given his history.

SuburbanTurkey 28th September 2021 06:39 AM

Sometimes cancel culture is insufficiently aggressive so you have to cancel yourself.

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A former FedEx driver who vowed in a profanity-laced video to never deliver packages to houses championing the Black Lives Matter movement, Joe Biden, or Kamala Harris has since been fired — and now won’t be delivering packages to any houses at all.

First reported by TooFab on Friday, the delivery company terminated employee Vincent Paterno, 39, after catching wind of a TikTok video in which Paterno smugly states he will not extend services to any house with a flag representing BLM, the President or VP, using a vulgar term to mock Harris’ first name.
https://news.yahoo.com/fedex-fires-d...205944592.html

d4m10n 28th September 2021 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Elaedith (Post 13612585)

I've seen social justice advocates make up fake quotes often enough that I don't have much credulity left when there isn't decent corroboration.

Emily's Cat 28th September 2021 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13612155)
I just wanted to say that trying to shame people for treating actual nazis like ďnazisĒ actually treat everyone else is a pretty hot take.

Well I totally understand why of all people on the internet Nazis would want to remain anonymous. I donít necessarily condone hacking people in principle and have mixed feelings on doxing. That said, it happened. I donít think you can really expect everyone else not to react to finding out someone is a real life nazi. Whether Joan found out on her own or someone else told her itís what happened. Itís a weird principal stance to expect people to carry on their personal relationships because they found out in an ďunfairĒ way, and doubly so to expect that to be the default stance in my opinion.

But by all means, if you want to be that forgiving that youíd willingly associate with Nazis because they wanted to do it secretly I think thatís your choice to make. I think most people, rightfully, would not.

I don't expect people to carry on their personal relationships.

I do expect that nefarious and intentionally harmful actions don't get multiplied by people who do NOT have a personal relationship with their target. I also expect that people who are uninvolved don't laud and support the nefarious actions in the first place.

There's a clear downside to this behavior. Honestly, I'm baffled that it's not obvious to all of you. Or perhaps you just choose to ignore it when it suits your needs.

First off, the definition of what I'll loosely call "heresy" is fluid and highly subjective. Today it's "nazi" and that all seems well and good. But "actual nazis" these aren't. Already, they're not members of the actual nazi party, so there's an immediate fail. So we have to redefine that to "nazi-like" and rely on their beliefs - or at least what we infer their beliefs to be. So far, I can get behind that based on the names of the domains. We infer that this person holds antisemitic beliefs. And perhaps enough of us today view that to be socially unacceptable. But you should know from observation that many, many people aren't so narrow in their definition. Many, many people have expanded their applied definition of nazi to mean nothing more than right-wing, or even simply conservative.

So now, you're giving license to see anyone who is labeled as "right wing" or "conservative" to be doxed, harassed, and fired because of their beliefs. And THAT is not reasonable or appropriate behavior - that is exactly the behavior of fascist authoritarians and religious zealots.

Second, you're relying on a naÔve assumptions that the only targets of such action would be what I'll loosely call "enemies". People who are in opposition to your own social values and objectives. You assume that the actors behind such nefarious actions will always hold the same view as you. But that's a sophomoric assumptions, as should be clearly obvious by even a brief skimming of history. There's no reason to think that in another few years, in a decade, in some relatively short period of time, the "orthodox" view will shift, and you'll find yourself the one labeled as the heretical "enemy" subject to doxxing, harassing, and firing on the basis of your beliefs.

Emily's Cat 28th September 2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13612518)
I think we are well passed the time where such stances could be attributed to naivety. American fascists have repeatedly showed the public who they are and what they hope to achieve, those that are still carrying water for their movement through pretextual mewling about "free speech" or the "marketplace of ideas" are just cowards, enablers, or collaborators.

Ahh... I see we've now blown right past the persecution of actual fascists, and are now fully on board with the persecution of people who don't support the persecution of fascists.

It's not longer just nazis at the end of that pitchfork, it's anyone who isn't willing to pick up a pitchfork and attack nazis with you.

This is absolutely authoritarian fascism and zealotry. Torquemada would be proud.

SuburbanTurkey 28th September 2021 10:59 AM

Notorious right wing troll and serial stalker is floundering after Epik hack, lashing out at mainstream and independent journalists.

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Melissa Lewis, a self-described anti-fascist activist and writer in Portland, Ore., said her family spent months feeling “hunted” by far-right troll and convicted hacker Joseph “Joey” Camp, whose name was listed on domain registrations with Epik and who has claimed publicly to have done freelance work for Monster.

Lewis said Camp — whose targets have included not just far-left activists but also conservative favorite Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) — sent her harassing emails, posted her home address and disseminated photos of her online, resulting in Lewis being added to extremist hit lists. She said Camp also went after her father, an emergency room doctor, by posting the human resources number to his hospital and spinning tales about her dad “letting cops and patriots die” in the ER. Lewis said her father, too, began receiving death threats, prompting the hospital to take security precautions.


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After the call, which Camp recorded and posted online, he boasted of “lying to the Washington Post” and began harassing a Post reporter via text and social media.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...-hack-fallout/

Some of the worst cockroaches on the planet are scrambling after the lights were suddenly thrown on. Sucks to suck.

SuburbanTurkey 28th September 2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612881)
Ahh... I see we've now blown right past the persecution of actual fascists, and are now fully on board with the persecution of people who don't support the persecution of fascists.

It's not longer just nazis at the end of that pitchfork, it's anyone who isn't willing to pick up a pitchfork and attack nazis with you.

This is absolutely authoritarian fascism and zealotry. Torquemada would be proud.

Ah yes, the fierce persecution of being criticized.

dirtywick 28th September 2021 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612851)
I don't expect people to carry on their personal relationships.

I do expect that nefarious and intentionally harmful actions don't get multiplied by people who do NOT have a personal relationship with their target. I also expect that people who are uninvolved don't laud and support the nefarious actions in the first place.

There's a clear downside to this behavior. Honestly, I'm baffled that it's not obvious to all of you. Or perhaps you just choose to ignore it when it suits your needs.

First off, the definition of what I'll loosely call "heresy" is fluid and highly subjective. Today it's "nazi" and that all seems well and good. But "actual nazis" these aren't. Already, they're not members of the actual nazi party, so there's an immediate fail. So we have to redefine that to "nazi-like" and rely on their beliefs - or at least what we infer their beliefs to be. So far, I can get behind that based on the names of the domains. We infer that this person holds antisemitic beliefs. And perhaps enough of us today view that to be socially unacceptable. But you should know from observation that many, many people aren't so narrow in their definition. Many, many people have expanded their applied definition of nazi to mean nothing more than right-wing, or even simply conservative.

So now, you're giving license to see anyone who is labeled as "right wing" or "conservative" to be doxed, harassed, and fired because of their beliefs. And THAT is not reasonable or appropriate behavior - that is exactly the behavior of fascist authoritarians and religious zealots.

Second, you're relying on a naÔve assumptions that the only targets of such action would be what I'll loosely call "enemies". People who are in opposition to your own social values and objectives. You assume that the actors behind such nefarious actions will always hold the same view as you. But that's a sophomoric assumptions, as should be clearly obvious by even a brief skimming of history. There's no reason to think that in another few years, in a decade, in some relatively short period of time, the "orthodox" view will shift, and you'll find yourself the one labeled as the heretical "enemy" subject to doxxing, harassing, and firing on the basis of your beliefs.


But really how can you write a whole paragraph about how unfair I’m using nazi after you wrote this:

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How on earth do you not understand that these are the tactics of the inquisition and the nazi part?
OK, so tell me more about how people wanting a realtor that doesn’t run Holocaust denial sites are the real fascists and going on Twitter to tell ****** people they are ****** is basically the inquisition.

smartcooky 28th September 2021 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 13612525)
You're taking someone's word for it on this part, since she doesn't say it on video.

Did you forget there was a witness?

smartcooky 28th September 2021 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612881)
Ahh... I see we've now blown right past the persecution of actual fascists, and are now fully on board with the persecution of people who don't support the persecution of fascists.

It's not longer just nazis at the end of that pitchfork, it's anyone who isn't willing to pick up a pitchfork and attack nazis with you.

This is absolutely authoritarian fascism and zealotry. Torquemada would be proud.

Pretextual mewling about "free speech" and the "marketplace of ideas". As I said earlier, if you are not against them, then you are enabling them, you are helping them to stay out of sight to grow and thrive. That makes you part of the problem.

You also seem to be confusing "nazi" with "fascist"

Emily's Cat 28th September 2021 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13612937)
But really how can you write a whole paragraph about how unfair Iím using nazi after you wrote this:

Do you not understand what tactics are?

Delphic Oracle 28th September 2021 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612881)
Ahh... I see we've now blown right past the persecution of actual fascists, and are now fully on board with the persecution of people who don't support the persecution of fascists.

It's not longer just nazis at the end of that pitchfork, it's anyone who isn't willing to pick up a pitchfork and attack nazis with you.

This is absolutely authoritarian fascism and zealotry. Torquemada would be proud.

Well there's "not supporting" and then there's "actively defending."

But what's important in this discussion is that you are the victim in all of this.

d4m10n 28th September 2021 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13612949)
Did you forget there was a witness?

Are you taking their word for it?

dirtywick 28th September 2021 03:20 PM

The real victims are the holocaust deniers who lose their anonymity and are held socially accountable for their voluntary words and actions. To non-violently confront ideas you disagree with using words on social media is really the tactics used by authoritarians and fascists.

smartcooky 28th September 2021 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 13613247)
Are you taking their word for it?

Is there a valid reason not to?

Do you have evidence that the witness lied?

Emily's Cat 28th September 2021 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle (Post 13613237)
Well there's "not supporting" and then there's "actively defending."

But what's important in this discussion is that you are the victim in all of this.

:confused:

I'm annoyed but I'm certainly not a victim. But whatever. Keep on ad homing.

Delphic Oracle 28th September 2021 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13613284)
:confused:



I'm annoyed but I'm certainly not a victim. But whatever. Keep on ad homing.

Says the person comparing others to nazis.

Emily's Cat 28th September 2021 03:39 PM

On a bit more of a "wtf" note...

Apparently NYP is out to cancel a mentally ill homeless person.

This hate-filled NYC homeless man is bane of the neighborhood

Emily's Cat 28th September 2021 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle (Post 13613286)
Says the person comparing others to nazis.

I didn't compare anyone to nazis. Read more better.

SuburbanTurkey 28th September 2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13613288)
On a bit more of a "wtf" note...

Apparently NYP is out to cancel a mentally ill homeless person.

This hate-filled NYC homeless man is bane of the neighborhood

What they gonna do, get him fired?

Emily's Cat 28th September 2021 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13613345)
What they gonna do, get him fired?

More likely to get him harassed, verbally and physically abused, and potentially killed.

smartcooky 28th September 2021 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13613289)
I didn't compare anyone to nazis. Read more better.

Learn English grammar

d4m10n 28th September 2021 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13613280)
Is there a valid reason not to?

If the potential consequences are someone losing their job, I'd practice a bit more skepticism than trusting an unidentified rando answering a leading question in a 30-second video clip. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13613280)
Do you have evidence that the witness lied?

He needn't've lied to be incorrect.

smartcooky 29th September 2021 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 13613453)
If the potential consequences are someone losing their job, I'd practice a bit more skepticism than trusting an unidentified rando answering a leading question in a 30-second video clip. :rolleyes:

So, that will be no then

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 13613453)
He needn't've lied to be incorrect.

So, that will also be no then

SuburbanTurkey 29th September 2021 04:29 AM

I'm sure the cancel culture pundits will be along any time now to condemn these racist and censorious groups going around trying to mass purge books from public schools:

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School books about Martin Luther King Jr. are too “divisive,” claims a conservative group at the center of a Tennessee book ban battle. A story about the astronomer Galileo Galilei is “anti-church.” A picture book about seahorses is too sexy.

As the school year resumes, simmering fights over school books have returned to a boil. In some schools, like in Pennsylvania’s Central York School District this week, students have beaten back bans on books about racism. But elsewhere, like in Tennessee’s Williamson County School District, the battle is ongoing, bolstered by new state laws that ban the teaching of certain race-related topics. At the heart of that fight is a conservative group, led by a private-school parent, that has a sprawling list of complaints against common classroom books. Many of the books are about race, but other targets include dragons, sad little owls, and hurricanes.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-ri...luther-king-jr

Darat 29th September 2021 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat (Post 13612851)
....snip...

What a load of garbage. There are plenty of people out there in the UK and the USA that self-identify as Nazis, that want to carry on the policies that the Nazis have always promulgated.

SuburbanTurkey 29th September 2021 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13613799)
What a load of garbage. There are plenty of people out there in the UK and the USA that self-identify as Nazis, that want to carry on the policies that the Nazis have always promulgated.

Don't be unfair, let's hear what the gentleman wearing a "Right Wing Death Squad" patch on his combat gear while menacing people in the public square has to say before we judge.

SuburbanTurkey 29th September 2021 06:05 AM

Let's wait for Bari Weiss to have this cancelled academic on her substack.

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ISRAELI DIPLOMAT PRESSURED UNC TO REMOVE TEACHER WHO CRITICIZED ISRAEL
An Israeli consul general baselessly accused a graduate student of antisemitism and said she shouldn’t teach a course on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

THIS AUGUST, Israeli consular officials in the southeast U.S. arranged meetings with a dean at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to discuss a graduate student teaching a course on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. According to two UNC professors with knowledge of the meetings, who asked for anonymity for fear of retribution, the Israeli official accused the Ph.D. student of antisemitism and said she was unfit to teach the course.
https://theintercept.com/2021/09/28/...demic-freedom/

JoeMorgue 29th September 2021 06:16 AM

Oh my God are we seriously having the "It's totally unreasonable (and not... TRUE SKEPTIC(TM)) to assume that just because someone says they are a Nazi that they are actually a Nazi" argument YET ******* AGAIN.


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