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abaddon 11th September 2021 12:23 PM

[Continuation]Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part III
 
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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13596662)
The individuals who advise Biden and Trudeau on health matters have approved and prescribed drugs that have killed hundreds of thousands of people and you trust them. Hospitals are full of people whose health is destroyed by drugs how do you want them to be able to fight off a simple flu virus.

A bunch of unevidenced baloney.

What individuals? You don't know.

Who is advising both Biden and Trudeau? You don't know.

Which drugs? You don't know.

Who actually died? Got statistics? No, you have no clue.

Currently, hospitals are full of idiots who refused vaccines, but you didn't know that either.

And the "flu virus" is not simple at all.

You could not be more wrong about anything

On the upside, you seem to have learned that "flu" is not a chimney. Baby steps.

Joecool 11th September 2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13596662)
The individuals who advise Biden and Trudeau on health matters have approved and prescribed drugs that have killed hundreds of thousands of people and you trust them. Hospitals are full of people whose health is destroyed by drugs how do you want them to be able to fight off a simple flu virus.

What's your point? You do know that covid, the flu and other viruses are "free" right?

Gaetan 11th September 2021 02:01 PM

I am not against all vaccinations but you have to differentiate between what is good and junk to make money

bruto 11th September 2021 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13596841)
I am not against all vaccinations but you have to differentiate between what is good and junk to make money

Perhaps, but since we get the vaccines free and the vaccine makers get their money from government whether we take them or not, I'm inclined to take mine. I mean, the vaccine makers are making out fine either way. I'm along for the ride.

Leftus 11th September 2021 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13596841)
I am not against all vaccinations but you have to differentiate between what is good and junk to make money

OK, awesome. How do you do that? Every vaccine has a cost. How do you feel about the MMR? Measles Mumps and Rubella?

MarkCorrigan 12th September 2021 06:59 AM

You know that pharmaceutical companies sell vaccines at cost price right?

Leftus 12th September 2021 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan (Post 13597236)
You know that pharmaceutical companies sell vaccines at cost price right?

So does his ******** peddlers. He doesn't mind certain people making money.

I really want to know, which vaccines he approves of, and then if he bothers to look up the price of that, how will he square that circle? I think red herring, or never address it. He knows how to get his cognitive dissonance game on.

MarkCorrigan 12th September 2021 10:20 AM

No I mean that the pharmaceutical companies make nothing on vaccines most of the time. They sell them at the cost it makes to manufacture and ship them, or maybe a couple of pennies more. They barely make anything on vaccines if they make any money at all.

bruto 12th September 2021 11:35 AM

True enough perhaps that they don't make their main money on vaccines, but still, to be fair, if you've watched Pfizer's stock prices over the past year, you must conclude that something they're doing is certainly helping.

Even if you only make a few cents on a dose, if you sell hundreds of millions of doses, it sort of adds up. And if those doses also save many lives, some of which will be the lives of future consumers of Pfizer products, good on them. Fair profit can, after all, be profitable too.

The nonsensical notion that there is a plan to depopulate the world, and further that big pharma is part of it, is utter and unequivocal ********. They want more and more people to live longer, so they can gobble up the really profitable stuff like Rogaine and Viagra. Live longer and have more pets and livestock to consume the huge market in pet and livestock medications that makes up a large part of their business. Live longer and have lots of kids who will consume the enormous market in agricultural chemicals and food additives that makes up another large part of their business.

Not to say that "big Pharma" does not play dirty often, and is not guilty of many offenses. But those offenses are not by themselves owing either to the companies' being big or being Pharma.

Joecool 18th September 2021 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13596841)
I am not against all vaccinations but you have to differentiate between what is good and junk to make money

Hey Gaetan, in the US, the covid vaccinations are free.

Gaetan 19th September 2021 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Joecool (Post 13603322)
Hey Gaetan, in the US, the covid vaccinations are free.

You give your money to pharmas with income tax.

Gaetan 19th September 2021 07:55 AM

He is no more blind than a blind man who refuses to see

57 Top Scientists And Doctors Release Shocking Study On COVID Vaccines And Demand Immediate Stop to ALL Vaccinations

https://en-volve.com/2021/05/08/57-t...-vaccinations/

Leftus 19th September 2021 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13603523)
You give your money to pharmas with income tax.

Yeah, that totally doesn't happen in Canada.

Why haven't you told us which vaccines you find acceptable?

Leftus 19th September 2021 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13603767)
He is no more blind than a blind man who refuses to see

57 Top Scientists And Doctors Release Shocking Study On COVID Vaccines And Demand Immediate Stop to ALL Vaccinations

https://en-volve.com/2021/05/08/57-t...-vaccinations/

How did they determine these are the Top Scientists? Where is the ranking system?

All Vaccinations? Including MMR? If the headline writer can be this loose with the fact, I can't trust the summary. Since there is no published study, it's really suspect on its face.

Jack by the hedge 19th September 2021 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Leftus (Post 13603885)
How did they determine these are the Top Scientists? Where is the ranking system?

All Vaccinations? Including MMR? If the headline writer can be this loose with the fact, I can't trust the summary. Since there is no published study, it's really suspect on its face.

Just for once I clicked on the link. As soon as you get past the headline, the 57 leading scientists and doctors gets watered down to scientists, doctors and policy makers. There's a list of names, but fewer than 57 and it's devoid of academic credentials so you don't know who's a doctor and who just plays one on the internet. It immediately smells like Architects and Engineers for etc.

Leftus 19th September 2021 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge (Post 13603898)
Just for once I clicked on the link. As soon as you get past the headline, the 57 leading scientists and doctors gets watered down to scientists, doctors and policy makers. There's a list of names, but fewer than 57 and it's devoid of academic credentials so you don't know who's a doctor and who just plays one on the internet. It immediately smells like Architects and Engineers for etc.

Yes it does. But more to my point, you could get a ranking of NFL players, quarterback and whatnot. The idea of "Leading scientists" I think would require a public leaderboard. Like speedrunners. Faucci, for example, is a leading scientist but most people, probably, never heard of him. That doesn't make him a bum, but the idea of the idea there is a ranking system, or that people would be able to even list the top 50 scientist, doctors, and policy makers. I doubt I could even name 50, leading or not.

abaddon 19th September 2021 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13603767)
He is no more blind than a blind man who refuses to see

57 Top Scientists And Doctors Release Shocking Study On COVID Vaccines And Demand Immediate Stop to ALL Vaccinations

https://en-volve.com/2021/05/08/57-t...-vaccinations/

What a load.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/en-volve/

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From our previous review in 2017, we reported that En Volve is an extremely right-biased news and opinion website. En-Volve has also published ridiculous stories such as “Obama Orders Life-Sized Bronze Statue of Himself to Be Permanently Installed in White House?” and this “Colin Kaepernick FIRED From 49ers After Disrespecting Police and National Anthem,” which obviously is not true as he played the entire season with them after this fake news article was published.

Gaetan 19th September 2021 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by abaddon (Post 13603903)

You'll tell me when you'll die of an over dose of vaccine.

Joecool 19th September 2021 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13604195)
You'll tell me when you'll die of an over dose of vaccine.

Gaetan, instead of your inane posts, how about answering questions posed to you or at least explaining logically how your no money world could actually work in real life.

abaddon 20th September 2021 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13604195)
You'll tell me when you'll die of an over dose of vaccine.

And when will that be, do you think?

Do you have any idea at all?

How much vaccine must one take to "over dose"? Any clue on that one either?

Leftus 20th September 2021 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13604195)
You'll tell me when you'll die of an over dose of vaccine.

When are we getting the list of the Gaetan approved Vaccines?

What if he doesn't get an over dose of vaccine?

Gaetan 20th September 2021 11:09 AM

Your stupid corrupted president already talk about a third dose of vaccine. What a profit they'll make? Dolor pills made 500,000 victimes in 20 years it doesn't inspire me trust in them don't you?

Leftus 20th September 2021 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13604818)
Your stupid corrupted president already talk about a third dose of vaccine. What a profit they'll make? Dolor pills made 500,000 victimes in 20 years it doesn't inspire me trust in them don't you?

Will you ever answer the simple question about which vaccines you actually support? You said you did support some of them. So you should have a few ready at hand. Shouldn't take but a second to list them.

Gaetan 20th September 2021 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Leftus (Post 13604923)
Will you ever answer the simple question about which vaccines you actually support?

The Bill Gates vaccine with a chip in it, that's all you deserve.

MarkCorrigan 20th September 2021 01:22 PM

There isn't a chip. You're being lied to.

Leftus 20th September 2021 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13604963)
The Bill Gates vaccine with a chip in it, that's all you deserve.

Why do you support it? Are you really that filled with hate for those who have the nerve to oppose your grand plan? Or, rather, throw up rather obvious concerns that you won't address?

abaddon 20th September 2021 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13604818)
Your stupid corrupted president already talk about a third dose of vaccine.

President Higgins never said any such thing. Why would you even imagine such nonsense?

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13604818)
What a profit they'll make?

a little, not a lot.

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13604818)
Dolor pills made 500,000 victimes in 20 years it doesn't inspire me trust in them don't you?

Is smallpox or polio still an issue for you? How did those get eliminated? Why are 4.7 million deaths worldwide OK with you when we could easily stop it?

Do you want those deaths? You are OK with that?

junkshop 20th September 2021 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13604818)
Your stupid corrupted president already talk about a third dose of vaccine. What a profit they'll make? Dolor pills made 500,000 victimes in 20 years it doesn't inspire me trust in them don't you?

Oh goody, we're back to the gibberish stage in the cycle.

Gaetan 20th September 2021 05:20 PM

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Is smallpox or polio still an issue for you? How did those get eliminated? Why are 4.7 million deaths worldwide OK with you when we could easily stop it?

Do you want those deaths? You are OK with that?
Now on you have the deaths of the virus plus the deaths of the vaccine, twice more

bruto 20th September 2021 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13604195)
You'll tell me when you'll die of an over dose of vaccine.

What would be an overdose of vaccine, and when might that occur? Do you have even a grade-schooler's inkling of how these vaccines work?

Joecool 20th September 2021 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13604818)
Your stupid corrupted president already talk about a third dose of vaccine.

If you mean Joe Biden, then I agree. He wanted to mandate a booster shot instead of "listening to the experts" that he said he would do.

I don't think he's stupid but it sure looks like he's got dementia that the press and his handlers are so desperately trying to cover up.

bruto 21st September 2021 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Joecool (Post 13605340)
If you mean Joe Biden, then I agree. He wanted to mandate a booster shot instead of "listening to the experts" that he said he would do.

I don't think he's stupid but it sure looks like he's got dementia that the press and his handlers are so desperately trying to cover up.

Can you provide a link that confirms that Biden "wanted to mandate a booster shot?" I cannot find this.

Leftus 21st September 2021 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13605174)
Now on you have the deaths of the virus plus the deaths of the vaccine, twice more

Minus the number of deaths that didn't happen.

Are you just going to ignore your claims that there are vaccines you do support? Do we have to guess? Can we get a hint, buy a vowel or something?

Gaetan 21st September 2021 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Leftus (Post 13605837)
Minus the number of deaths that didn't happen.

Are you just going to ignore your claims that there are vaccines you do support?

I can't support vaccines that don't have consensus in the scientific community, better the precaution than taking a risky bet. I am not a person at risk of diying of covid why to take a risk. These vaccines can harm organs.

bruto 21st September 2021 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13606107)
I can't support vaccines that don't have consensus in the scientific community, better the precaution than taking a risky bet. I am not a person at risk of diying of covid why to take a risk. These vaccines can harm organs.

What harm, what organs, what source for the information?

And why do you think you are not at risk from Covid? Many people who think they are healthy enough have died of it, and many others who have not died have had long term effects. My own daughter in law, healthy and under 40, has "long Covid."

Gaetan 21st September 2021 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13606111)
What harm, what organs, what source for the information?

there are informations that vaccines can cause micro clots that affect the brain that can cause strokes, or affect the heart or other organs, you can look for that on internet, i don't have to do it for you

bruto 21st September 2021 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13606218)
there are informations that vaccines can cause micro clots that affect the brain that can cause strokes, or affect the heart or other organs, you can look for that on internet, i don't have to do it for you

It is both a matter of etiquette and of persuasion that if you make an allegation it is up to you to back it up. If you don't, you are being discourteous, and it is well within the rights of your readers to assume that your unwillingness to show good sources is because you cannot.

You don't have to do anything, but you ought to if you make the allegation. Which vaccines (they differ very greatly!), what organs, what frequency, what sources of information. Otherwise your statement is, as usual, worthless.

Leftus 22nd September 2021 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13606107)
I can't support vaccines that don't have consensus in the scientific community, better the precaution than taking a risky bet. I am not a person at risk of diying of covid why to take a risk. These vaccines can harm organs.

Thanks for answering a question that wasn't asked. You said there were some that you supported, I asked which specific ones, you can't come up with a single vaccine, but did supply this nonsense.

There are exactly ZERO vaccines that fit your definition, so your claims that there are some that you support is exposed as a lie. Prove me wrong, and provide an example of a good vaccine. You won't, because you don't believe they exist.

Specific examples only, or admit you were talking out your ass, again.

Leftus 22nd September 2021 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13606218)
there are informations that vaccines can cause micro clots that affect the brain that can cause strokes, or affect the heart or other organs, you can look for that on internet, i don't have to do it for you

I can look for information on Bigfoot on the internet as well, that doesn't mean there is actually a bigfoot out there.

You want to make a compelling case, change minds? Provide evidence. This is your problem in a nutshell, you think you've seen evidence for something and accept it uncritically. You do zero research, into the facts or the authors, take it as gospel, and spread their lies on their behalf. When it comes to medical information, it's deadly. You might want to keep your attempted butchery to economic flights of fantasy.

catsmate 22nd September 2021 11:29 AM

Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part III
 
Mod InfoContinuation thread from: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...6#post13607036
Posted By:Darat
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Originally Posted by Fonebone (Post 13603040)
Yeah - I agree, especially in light of this astonishing revelation !
https://twitter.com/i/status/1393022731373973504

:rolleyes:
As has been pointed out that was more than four months ago, when <40% of USAians were fully vaccinated. Contrary to the bollocks promulgated by the conspiracy nutters the FDA (et cetera) staff were not refusing vaccination en-masse.


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