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Stacyhs 22nd February 2021 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13406083)
I mean “grotesquely disturbed “ seems a bit harsh. Being germophobic is relatively common. Is Howie Mandell “grossly disturbed?”

How is a seven step process in pouring a coke and demanding that no one's steak is bigger than his relevant to being a germaphobe?

Skeptic Ginger 22nd February 2021 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13405939)
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The point is that this isn't evidence of "dangerous mental illness." Bob001 opened his post with "More evidence:" Evidence of what, exactly?

That would be the cherry picking part of your unsupportable defense.

Biden held a memorial today for the 500,000+ COVID deaths.

Are you claiming the Capitol riot on Jan 6th and the complete denial of the COVID pandemic were not evidence the man was dangerous as POTUS?

BTW, Mary Trump was spot on.

mgidm86 22nd February 2021 08:52 PM

About the riot, I would say that his hours long wait before even pretending to attempt to calm things was dangerous and deliberate, and is a very specific action we can look at.

That can't be rationalized away. It happened and we all saw it.

But the Covid response is the biggie. He only cared about the election and every single one of his actions confirms this. He put hundreds of millions of lives at risk for his own gain.

His narcissism (mentally ill) killed people (dangerous).

Mary Trump should get the million dollar prize. Nobody else to my knowledge has been nearly as accurate at predicting the future.

Stacyhs 22nd February 2021 11:38 PM

Mary Trump has certainly 'interviewed' him many times in person when he didn't know he was being 'interviewed' so him guard was down.

Bob001 23rd February 2021 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mgidm86 (Post 13406203)
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Mary Trump should get the million dollar prize. Nobody else to my knowledge has been nearly as accurate at predicting the future.


Michael Cohen is a close second. Almost two years before the election, he was telling Congress Trump would never allow a peaceful transition if he lost.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/micha...b0d3a48b564439

Stacyhs 23rd February 2021 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13406283)
Michael Cohen is a close second. Almost two years before the election, he was telling Congress Trump would never allow a peaceful transition if he lost.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/micha...b0d3a48b564439

I found Cohen's book to be very illuminating and spot on when it came to explaining how Trump's mind works. He accurately predicted a lot of how Trump would act if he lost the election.

dann 23rd February 2021 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13406083)
I mean “grotesquely disturbed “ seems a bit harsh.


No, it doesn't. I don't think that his Coke Zero procedures are the best evidence for that. Many celebrities act in bizarre ways. Look at the backstage demands of many performers, for instance. I used to teach classes of hotel receptionists back in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It was funny listening in on them when they were swapping stories about celebrity behavior at hotels. Nothing is better at bringing the psychopathy out in a psychopath than people whose sole purpose on Earth, in their opinion, is to be there for them, which, of course, for Trump is everybody, and no thing is as good at making it obvious that you are dealing with psychopaths than a presidency.

Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway.

SteveAitch 23rd February 2021 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dann (Post 13406333)
No, it doesn't. I don't think that his Coke Zero procedures are the best evidence for that. Many celebrities act in bizarre ways. Look at the backstage demands of many performers, for instance. I used to teach classes of hotel receptionists back in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It was funny listening in on them when they were swapping stories about celebrity behavior at hotels. Nothing is better at bringing the psychopathy out in a psychopath than people whose sole purpose on Earth, in their opinion, is to be there for them, which, of course, for Trump is everybody, and no thing is as good at making it obvious that you are dealing with psychopaths than a presidency.

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Yeah, but they have a real reason behind them (usually) - to make sure that the venue is fulfilling the rest of the contract with the band.

xjx388 23rd February 2021 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dann (Post 13406333)
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Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway.

Is it really the combination of "germophobia" + "utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else" that's the give away? I would have thought the disregard was plenty bad enough all on it's own to conclude that Trump is unfit to be and dangerous as POTUS -whether or not he is mentally ill. The germophobia is literally nothing in that context.

bruto 23rd February 2021 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13406708)
Is it really the combination of "germophobia" + "utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else" that's the give away? I would have thought the disregard was plenty bad enough all on it's own to conclude that Trump is unfit to be and dangerous as POTUS -whether or not he is mentally ill. The germophobia is literally nothing in that context.

A slightly off topic aside, long ago I read a little puff piece about J Edgar Hoover's charitable work. He refused to eat treats people sent, so as a humanitarian gesture, he sent them to a nearby orphanage. Of course the reason he did not eat them was that he feared they were poisoned.

Skeptic Ginger 23rd February 2021 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dann (Post 13406333)
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Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway.

Not very useful when you deny masks are necessary because you personally are worried that you don't look as wonderful as you believe you look without one.

xjx388 23rd February 2021 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13406781)
Not very useful when you deny masks are necessary because you personally are worried that you don't look as wonderful as you believe you look without one.

Maybe it's a particular phobia about restaraurants? Or maybe it's something akin to what SteveAitch alluded to re: measuring compliance with the rest of the operating procedures of the restaurant. I tend to think it's more phobic but his refusal to wear masks kind of calls that into question. Then again, I doubt he's good enough at managing hotels and restaurants to implement such a measurement tool.

It could also be that he's not a germophobe per se, but that he is afraid that someone will try to poison him or something. But then you have the whole purell thing.

I'm sure an expert will be along shortly to assure me that it's definitely another symptom of his mental illness in 3...2...1...

dann 23rd February 2021 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13406843)
I'm sure an expert will be along shortly to assure me that it's definitely another symptom of his mental illness in 3...2...1...


Not at all! Phobias are mental disorders in their own right. Trump's germophobia is in addition to his psychopathy.

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13406781)
Not very useful when you deny masks are necessary because you personally are worried that you don't look as wonderful as you believe you look without one.


Even Trump knows that any kind of mask will improve his looks. His worry is that face masks will make him look weak, not ugly. It's the same worry that made Bunker Boy pretend that he only went into hiding for a very short time in order to inspect it.

Skeptic Ginger 23rd February 2021 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dann (Post 13406927)
...Even Trump knows that any kind of mask will improve his looks. His worry is that face masks will make him look weak, not ugly. It's the same worry that made Bunker Boy pretend that he only went into hiding for a very short time in order to inspect it.

Don't know if "looking better" is sarcasm.

Did you see trump when he finally decided he could wear a mask? Notice how he looks in one was important enough to mention? It's near the beginning.

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Minoosh 23rd February 2021 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dann (Post 13406333)
No, it doesn't. I don't think that his Coke Zero procedures are the best evidence for that.

Diet Coke, please! If they gave him Coke Zero he would probably burst a blood vessel.

Hmm ... no I don't wish that on him.

To know everything going on with Trump I think you'd need a neurological workup. He was always a raving egomaniac but he used to be able to speak normally.

Modified 23rd February 2021 09:48 PM

To be fair, having the Coke and ketchup opened in front of him probably reduced the amount of bodily fluids he consumed over the years by a fair bit.

Skeptic Ginger 23rd February 2021 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Modified (Post 13407284)
To be fair, having the Coke and ketchup opened in front of him probably reduced the amount of bodily fluids he consumed over the years by a fair bit.

Nooo, you mean someone might spit in his food? That would never happen. Trump is loved.

Ladewig 24th February 2021 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13407288)
Nooo, you mean someone might spit in his food? That would never happen. Trump is loved.

He certainly thinks he is.

He might really believe he won the election because it might be incomprehensible to him that 75 million people prefer Biden over him.

I suspect that his whole more-than-8-years shtick fell somewhere between a belief that he is so beloved that the populace would rise up and insist on Trump forever and a belief that The Chosen One always gets his way.

dann 24th February 2021 04:24 AM

81 million. Trump got 74.

jimbob 1st March 2021 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dann (Post 13406333)


Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway.

His germophobia combined with his well-documented habit of having unprotected sex with porn stars in the 1980s and 1990s. Remember his assertion that his avoiding STIs then was "his Vietnam".

Bob001 13th March 2021 12:43 AM

More evidence that Dear Ex-Leader is just not a normal person:
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That day, the Weisselberg family was sitting shivah, for Allen’s mother. Trump showed up in a limousine and blurted out, “This is where my C.F.O. lives? It’s embarrassing!” Then, Jennifer recalled, Trump showed various shivah attendees photographs of naked women with him on a yacht. “After that, he starts hitting on me,” she said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...va/ar-BB1ewlUR
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-jr-nail-trump

Ziggurat 24th March 2021 07:59 PM

Looks like Brandy Lee got fired for her troubles.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/...mp-dershowitz/

Skeptic Ginger 24th March 2021 08:29 PM

Looks like Dershowitz, on his crusade to eliminate all the liberal professors in all the colleges in all the land, found an easy target.

And of course the university would cite the Goldwater rule. But curiously they took no action until old Dershy paid a visit.


It will be interesting to see where the lawsuit goes.

Minoosh 24th March 2021 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13434668)
Looks like Brandy Lee got fired for her troubles.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/...mp-dershowitz/

Bandy Lee. Last May. It's like no one cares.

Ziggurat 24th March 2021 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13434688)
Looks like Dershowitz, on his crusade to eliminate all the liberal professors in all the colleges in all the land

That’s quite the vivid imagination you have there.

xjx388 24th March 2021 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13434668)
Looks like Brandy Lee got fired for her troubles.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/...mp-dershowitz/


So I guess there ARE consequences for ethics violations....

Interesting...it’s like the old saying: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Skeptic Ginger 24th March 2021 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13434713)
That’s quite the vivid imagination you have there.

No. I've been watching Dershowitz' handiwork for years decades. He's quite the asinine crusader.

Skeptic Ginger 24th March 2021 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13434746)
So I guess there ARE consequences for ethics violations....

Interesting...it’s like the old saying: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

You mean like the consequences of half a million dead because not enough people listened?

Bob001 24th March 2021 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13434746)
So I guess there ARE consequences for ethics violations....

Interesting...it’s like the old saying: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


Maybe not that clearcut. For starters, the APA, a voluntary trade association of which she is not a member, apparently did not accuse her of ethics violations. It was crazy Trumper Jeffrey Epstein-pal OJ-defender right-wing mouthpiece Alan Dershowitz who did. She's been makng pretty much the same claims since 2016, but Yale only terminated her after they got a letter from the notorious grandstanding shyster in 2020. It looks like Yale just decided they would rather have her mad at them than Alan D.

On the other hand, it appears that her position at Yale was as an unpaid volunteer. I'm surprised she didn't say "Take this non-'job' and shove it." There are plenty of places that would be glad to have her, and even offer an actual paycheck.
https://www.nhregister.com/news/arti...p-16047079.php
https://www.salon.com/2021/03/24/for...-trump-tweets/

Stacyhs 24th March 2021 10:42 PM

Seems to me like Dr. Lee and the others were right. Or do repeated attempts to overthrow a legitimate election and inciting a violent insurrection on Jan. 6 not count as dangerous?

jimbob 25th March 2021 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13434796)
Seems to me like Dr. Lee and the others were right. Or do repeated attempts to overthrow a legitimate election and inciting a violent insurrection on Jan. 6 not count as dangerous?

HOW VERY DARE YOU?

THAT'S JUST TRUMP BEING A BAD PERSON - WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE* THAT HE'S MENTALLY ILL SO IT'S REALLY BAD TO SUGGEST WE LOOK TO SEE IF HE IS.


*That would be acceptable to those denying it.

bruto 25th March 2021 08:19 AM

For some people the dots will never connect. Sure, he's pretty obviously crazy, and sure, he's pretty obviously dangerous. But you can't say he's dangerously crazy unless you belong to some class that is defined by not existing.

Foster Zygote 25th March 2021 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13424358)

I watched a video if him hosting a group of refugees in the Oval Office. One woman described how she'd witnessed all of her male relatives being lined up and shot by religious extremists. Trump sat there staring around listlessly, and later asked her, "so where are they now?". Confused, she asked, "who?". He responded, "your family". After a pause, she said, "they're all dead". Trump said, "huh" in the same feigned interest tone you use when your kid tells you about the dietary needs of chickens in Minecraft, and continued looking around the room aimlessly, clearly bored by the whole thing.

I remember saying a while back that Trump looks like an alien attempting to mimic human facial expressions. I said it looked like Agent K might tell a joke to a group, and then immediately arrest anyone who made that face. Some time later I read something about people with severe NPD and sociopthy - how they'll sometimes make weird, grimacey facial expressions, as though they're trying to imitate human emotional responses - because that's exactly what they're doing.

Stacyhs 25th March 2021 10:22 AM

Anyone who doubts Trump has severe NPD hasn't been paying attention the last several years. Or has the IQ of a turnip. Of course, mental health professionals can't say what is obvious and the truth. Goldwater Rule and all, don't ya know. Ethics.

Skeptic Ginger 25th March 2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13435279)
Anyone who doubts Trump has severe NPD hasn't been paying attention the last several years. Or has the IQ of a turnip. Of course, mental health professionals can't say what is obvious and the truth. Goldwater Rule and all, don't ya know. Ethics.

Much more ethical to keep quiet and .... whoops, half a million+ dead.

Bob001 25th March 2021 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13435151)
For some people the dots will never connect. Sure, he's pretty obviously crazy, and sure, he's pretty obviously dangerous. But you can't say he's dangerously crazy unless you belong to some class that is defined by not existing.

I think the argument is that being crazy and being dangerous are somehow unrelated, as you can be one without the other. But the obvious other side is that you can be both.

xjx388 25th March 2021 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13435338)
I think the argument is that being crazy and being dangerous are somehow unrelated, as you can be one without the other. But the obvious other side is that you can be both.


Sure, but crazy does not equal dangerous.

Dangerous is as far as anyone needs to go.

Skeptic Ginger 25th March 2021 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13435338)
I think the argument is that being crazy and being dangerous are somehow unrelated, as you can be one without the other. But the obvious other side is that you can be both.

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13435346)
Sure, but crazy does not equal dangerous.

When the two not only exist together, but the specific pathology is dangerous in a person with specific power, it would be foolhardy to ignore the pathology.



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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13435346)
Dangerous is as far as anyone needs to go.

Yeah we've heard that bull ****. You can't just say the POTUS is dangerous and expect anyone to hear anything but: that is a partisan opinion, nothing more.

Stacyhs 25th March 2021 11:31 AM

Heaven forbid that we be told the truth by the professionals who can see that the most powerful man on earth is dangerous because he is seriously mentally ill but don't dare come out and say it because they'll get fired/censured/etc just like Dr. Lee. Oh, no. EEEEEEETHIIIIIICS.

xjx388 25th March 2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13435375)
When the two not only exist together, but the specific pathology is dangerous in a person with specific power, it would be foolhardy to ignore the pathology.



Yeah we've heard that bull ****. You can't just say the POTUS is dangerous and expect anyone to hear anything but: that is a partisan opinion, nothing more.


Oh sure, because adding “mentally ill” to the equation really made everyone realize that it wasn’t just a partisan opinion...


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