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shemp 25th September 2020 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13236233)
It won't be treason. He does have some criminal liability but nothing that rates the death penalty. As for the Supreme Court. That's more likely. History is replete with examples of presidents disappointed by their judicial nominations.

I'm referring to possible upcoming events, such as an attempt at a forcible armed takeover of the government, attempts to illegally lock up Democratic Party leaders, ordering disappearances and murders, smashing the glass case and burning the Constitution, etc.

Segnosaur 25th September 2020 07:25 AM

Ha ha!

From: CNN
A New York state judge ruled Wednesday that Eric Trump must sit to be deposed by the state attorney general's office by October 7, denying his request to delay an interview as part of an investigation into the Trump Organization until after the presidential election, according to the attorney general's office.

Remember, initially Eric Trump said he would get interviewed, then said "nope, I am pleading the 5th", then said "I will but after the election".

Sadly I don't think anything particularly damaging will come out of it prior to the election. Unless of course he decides to plead the 5th, which can be embarrassing to Stubby McBonespurs.

Ladewig 25th September 2020 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13236465)
Ha ha!

From: CNN
A New York state judge ruled Wednesday that Eric Trump must sit to be deposed by the state attorney general's office by October 7, denying his request to delay an interview as part of an investigation into the Trump Organization until after the presidential election, according to the attorney general's office.

Remember, initially Eric Trump said he would get interviewed, then said "nope, I am pleading the 5th", then said "I will but after the election".

Sadly I don't think anything particularly damaging will come out of it prior to the election. Unless of course he decides to plead the 5th, which can be embarrassing to Stubby McBonespurs.

Then again, it is Eric, so we can hope he slips up.

(But a team of Trump lawyers will yell “Stop!” every time he starts down a dangerous road.)

TragicMonkey 25th September 2020 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13236465)
Ha ha!

From: CNN
A New York state judge ruled Wednesday that Eric Trump must sit to be deposed by the state attorney general's office by October 7, denying his request to delay an interview as part of an investigation into the Trump Organization until after the presidential election, according to the attorney general's office.

Remember, initially Eric Trump said he would get interviewed, then said "nope, I am pleading the 5th", then said "I will but after the election".

Sadly I don't think anything particularly damaging will come out of it prior to the election. Unless of course he decides to plead the 5th, which can be embarrassing to Stubby McBonespurs.

Ooooh, I do hope he tries. He can be added to the surprisingly long list of people who don't realize the Fifth doesn't work the way they think it does from having seen it on TV.

Ladewig 25th September 2020 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shemp (Post 13236373)
I'm referring to possible upcoming events, such as an attempt at a forcible armed takeover of the government, attempts to illegally lock up Democratic Party leaders, ordering disappearances and murders, smashing the glass case and burning the Constitution, etc.

Very scary stuff.

Of course, that stuff will likely collapse on Trump.
(1) He’s too cheap to hire high-end anonymous death squads, so once he partially stiffs them on payment, they’ll come forward to confess.

(2) And it is quite possible there will be a money trail and an e-mail trail.

(3) And even if they avoid those two obstacles, Trump will feel the need to publicly brag about it.

pgwenthold 25th September 2020 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13235819)
He finally revealed his healthcare plan: an executive order telling congress to come up with a healthcare plan. Bold move, let’s see how it plays out.

I saw this coming. I couple of days ago, Kayleigh McLiar said that Trump would "release his vision" for a new healthcare plan in a couple of days.

A "vision" is not a plan. At best, it is a goal. More likely, it is not even that.

This is something that is very common in this administration, and it is completely consistent with what you would expect given the president's past as "the boss." His entire approach to solving a problem is to tell his workers to get it done. As the boss of his businesses, his role was to decide what problems that needed to solved, and he delegated the solution.

That's all he has done. He's decided, "I want to solve heath care. OK, you people, get it done."

That's what a boss does. It's not what a leader does.

JoeMorgue 25th September 2020 08:22 AM

That's Trump though. On the rare occassion he actually claims to have a "plan" the plan is never anymore complicated than "Just do it."

Trump is one of those people who honestly think the reason a problem exists is because there's some obvious "from the gut, common sense" solution that all the smarties are thinking about it too much to see because he's an idiot who understands the problem on a surface level at best.

Armitage72 25th September 2020 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13236540)
Trump is one of those people who honestly think the reason a problem exists is because there's some obvious "from the gut, common sense" solution that all the smarties are thinking about it too much to see because he's an idiot who understands the problem on a surface level at best.


"Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."

Monza 25th September 2020 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 13236538)
I saw this coming. I couple of days ago, Kayleigh McLiar said that Trump would "release his vision" for a new healthcare plan in a couple of days.

A "vision" is not a plan. At best, it is a goal. More likely, it is not even that.

This is something that is very common in this administration, and it is completely consistent with what you would expect given the president's past as "the boss." His entire approach to solving a problem is to tell his workers to get it done. As the boss of his businesses, his role was to decide what problems that needed to solved, and he delegated the solution.

That's all he has done. He's decided, "I want to solve heath care. OK, you people, get it done."

That's what a boss does. It's not what a leader does.


This is literally one of the jokes from Idiocracy. President Camacho announced his "3-point plan" to solve the country's major problem.

#1 - I've got a guy.
#2 - He's really smart.
#3 - He will solve the problem.

Safe-Keeper 25th September 2020 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13236540)
That's Trump though. On the rare occassion he actually claims to have a "plan" the plan is never anymore complicated than "Just do it."

Trump is one of those people who honestly think the reason a problem exists is because there's some obvious "from the gut, common sense" solution that all the smarties are thinking about it too much to see because he's an idiot who understands the problem on a surface level at best.

So he's like a young teenager who thinks he's figured out the world.
That's pretty advanced for him. Usually he's more like a 2-6 year old.

Then again his solutions do tend to be made up out of whole cloth, which is more like a toddler's or child's approach. "How do you think we can beat the virus, Timmy?"
"Drink the cleaning stuff in this bottle, because then the virus dies! And, and, and, take this flashlight, and shine it down your throat to light up your insides, because then you can see if you have the virus!"

Safe-Keeper 25th September 2020 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monza (Post 13236575)
This is literally one of the jokes from Idiocracy. President Camacho announced his "3-point plan" to solve the country's major problem.

#1 - I've got a guy.
#2 - He's really smart.
#3 - He will solve the problem.

Someone pointed out, thought, that while the president in Idiocracy was stupid, even he ultimately asked an actual expert for help. Considering the people Trump surrounds himself with, he might as well ask advice from a potted plant.

bonzombiekitty 25th September 2020 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monza (Post 13236575)
This is literally one of the jokes from Idiocracy. President Camacho announced his "3-point plan" to solve the country's major problem.

#1 - I've got a guy.
#2 - He's really smart.
#3 - He will solve the problem.

Say what you will about President Camacho, but he at least found the smartest person he could to solve a problem that he knew he was unable to solve himself.

Segnosaur 25th September 2020 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monza (Post 13236575)
This is literally one of the jokes from Idiocracy. President Camacho announced his "3-point plan" to solve the country's major problem.



#1 - I've got a guy.

#2 - He's really smart.

#3 - He will solve the problem.

Maybe we should start a poll... Who is the better president. Comancho or Trump.

Neither were very smart, but comancho got the smartest person on the planet to fix his problems... Trump got Kushner

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JoeMorgue 25th September 2020 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 13236577)
So he's like a young teenager who thinks he's figured out the world.
That's pretty advanced for him. Usually he's more like a 2-6 year old.

Then again his solutions do tend to be made up out of whole cloth, which is more like a toddler's or child's approach. "How do you think we can beat the virus, Timmy?"
"Drink the cleaning stuff in this bottle, because then the virus dies! And, and, and, take this flashlight, and shine it down your throat to light up your insides, because then you can see if you have the virus!"

Pretty much.

It's this whole idea that the only reason we have problems is because all those uppity elitist in power just aren't as smart as they think they are with their fancy book learning and don't realize they are making the problem more complicated than it really is and all it's gonna take is a salt of the Earth person with some common sense and street smarts to go in there and cut right through the Gordian Knot is one of the core prospects of Trump's persona that he sells to his followers. It's always 100% insane nonsense.

He's every douchebag who's asked a depressed person if they ever tried "Just not being sad" times 1,000 and applied to everything. He's every troll who posts "Just buy a Mac" on every thread about a PC problem. He's an idiot who has mistaken his not grasping the full scope of a problem because he's never either had to deal with or bothered to learn anything about for having some kind of laser focused B.S free insight the rest of us lack.

That's why even on the rare occasions he actually proposes a solution to something it's a 5 year old's understanding of how real solutions to real problems work; rarely anything deeper or more complicated then "Just stop having the problem, have you tried that?"

varwoche 25th September 2020 09:11 AM

I want to take a little time out to acknowledge various people for their contributions to the current state of affairs:

The GOP toadies who said spectacularly negative things about Trump in 2016, yet fell in line

Bernie Brothers, but I'd be remiss not to give Susan Sarondon a shout out

Jill Stein and her Russian sponsors

Hillary Clinton, with an honorable mention for Bill

Comey

Putin

Kanye West

Last but not least, the cultists


I loathe all of you.

Ladewig 25th September 2020 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13236588)
Pretty much.

It's this whole idea that the only reason we have problems is because all those uppity elitist in power just aren't as smart as they think they are with their fancy book learning and don't realize they are making the problem more complicated than it really is and all it's gonna take is a salt of the Earth person with some common sense and street smarts to go in there and cut right through the Gordian Knot is one of the core prospects of Trump's persona that he sells to his followers. It's always 100% insane nonsense.

He's every douchebag who's asked a depressed person if they ever tried "Just not being sad" times 1,000 and applied to everything. He's every troll who posts "Just buy a Mac" on every thread about a PC problem. He's an idiot who has mistaken his not grasping the full scope of a problem because he's never either had to deal with or bothered to learn anything about for having some kind of laser focused B.S free insight the rest of us lack.
"

Nor does he understand how interconnected everything is.

Nor does he understand what blowback is.

Nor does he understand how to create and follow a family budget.

Nor does he understand that the loss of a job can mean the loss of a place to live for many millions of people.

Nor does he understand how a medical problem could bankrupt a family.

Nor does he understand how crushing student loans can be.

Nor does he understand enough history to know that his simple solutions have been tried and they failed.

.....
I’m not even convinced he understands the concepts laid out in an eighth-grade civics course.
And I’ve seen a citizenship test. I’m not very convinced he could pass one on his best days.

kookbreaker 25th September 2020 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13236625)
Nor does he understand how a medical problem could bankrupt a family.

What's sad is that at one point he did. Read about his 2000 Presidential Campaign with the Reform party.

Quote:

On the issues, Trump labeled himself "very conservative," but described his views on healthcare as "quite liberal" and "getting much more liberal", explaining "I believe in universal health care. I believe in whatever it takes to make people well and better. ... [i]t's an entitlement to this country if we're going to have a great country."
Of course, that stance didn't appeal to the mobs that want other people to suffer that make up his voting block, so he dropped it while promising he would do something. ("The Republican Party will be known as the Party of Healthcare" -stomps off away from the media)

JoeMorgue 25th September 2020 09:48 AM

And it's really even worse than that.

The President having that stupid "I don't understand the problem, therefore the solution must be a simple Draconian type solution and everyone is overthinking it" mentality so common among "da salt of da Earth" stupid people would be bad, but it wouldn't be all that unique.

Trump is doing a bad imitation of it because as I keep pointing out "solving problems" and "making things better" are not in his best interests and because he's just as bad as "thinking with his gut" as he is "thinking with his brain."

MRC_Hans 25th September 2020 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 13236538)
I saw this coming. I couple of days ago, Kayleigh McLiar said that Trump would "release his vision" for a new healthcare plan in a couple of days.

A "vision" is not a plan. At best, it is a goal. More likely, it is not even that.
*snip*

Well, in normal management lingo, there are targets, goals, and visions.

- A target is measurable, planned and dated. It is in the offing.

- A goal is measurable, obtainable, and the targets needed to obtain it are planned. It is over the horizon.

- A vision is the idea that is pointed to by targets and goals. It is beyond the horizon.

Hans

BobTheCoward 25th September 2020 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13236646)
And it's really even worse than that.

The President having that stupid "I don't understand the problem, therefore the solution must be a simple Draconian type solution and everyone is overthinking it" mentality so common among "da salt of da Earth" stupid people would be bad, but it wouldn't be all that unique.

Trump is doing a bad imitation of it because as I keep pointing out "solving problems" and "making things better" are not in his best interests and because he's just as bad as "thinking with his gut" as he is "thinking with his brain."

What you need is an empty chair that represents the american people.

Armitage72 25th September 2020 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13236625)
Nor does he understand that the loss of a job can mean the loss of a place to live for many millions of people.

Nor does he understand how a medical problem could bankrupt a family.

Nor does he understand how crushing student loans can be.


It's been a while, so I don't remember if it was Trump himself or one of his flunkies who said that people suffering financial hardship could just borrow money from their families. I think it was a flunky.

Captain_Swoop 25th September 2020 10:10 AM

Trump on Fox Trump on the Russia investigation,

"It was a coup. And, you know, you never think of this country as a coup. You think of certain South American countries for coup. But we have them cold."

pgwenthold 25th September 2020 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 13236578)
Someone pointed out, thought, that while the president in Idiocracy was stupid, even he ultimately asked an actual expert for help. Considering the people Trump surrounds himself with, he might as well ask advice from a potted plant.

As I've pointed out before, there is no secret plan out there that accomplishes the goals set forth. There are plans out there that have been discussed, but it is all in the open.

You want to cover as many as you can for as cheap as you can and to do it as well as possible, it's going to be something government run. That's the only way to do it - you have to get rid of the profit motive.

Captain_Swoop 25th September 2020 10:22 AM

Trump Tweets

Just had a great #LatinosForTrump Roundtable in Doral, Florida. We have achieved more for Hispanic-Americans in less than 47 months than Joe Biden has achieved in 47 years — and the best is yet to come. Thank you! #MAGA

Captain_Swoop 25th September 2020 10:26 AM

Trump Retweeted

Dan ScavinoFlag of United StatesEagle
@DanScavino
“FBI official on Mueller team said Flynn prosecution had 'get Trump' attitude, collusion probe was 'not there’”

Mollie
@MZHemingway
Judge Sullivan and the DC Court of Appeals are turning out to be the unintentional heroes of the Flynn saga. In their unseemly quest to destroy Flynn, they refused to let DOJ drop case, and now we're getting some of the most explosive documents about Special Counsel probe yet.

Sara A. Carter
@SaraCarterDC
INSURANCE POLICY? #FBI analysts investigating #Flynn purchased liability insurance
Just more evidence that proves this was a setup and that #Flynn is innocent...

Daily Caller
@DailyCaller
‘This Is A Nightmare’: FBI Employees Had Concerns About Flynn Probe, Records Show

Tammy Bruce
@HeyTammyBruce
Reading the @FoxNews story earlier re Barnett, immediately thought Dems believed having Flynn unresolved would be bad for Trump on 11/3, but now details that perhaps never would’ve been made public at this point, now expose the corruption of the Dems even more.

Tom Fitton
@TomFitton
BREAKING: FBI Agent On Mueller Teams Admits @RealDonaldTrump, Flynn, Investigations Were A Crock! Crossfire Hurricane was based on "supposition on supposition" and Mueller gang used Flynn prosecution to "get Trump"! Mueller team MISCONDUCT AND ABUSE described in new DOJ filing!

Mike Coudrey
@MichaelCoudrey
Good morning to everyone except Judge Sullivan and the corrupt FBI agents that tried to prosecute General Flynn under fraudulent and manufactured pretenses.

Captain_Swoop 25th September 2020 10:28 AM

Trump Retweeted

Dawn Michael, PhDGrowing heart
@SexCounseling
Obama should be sued for what he did to General Flynn!

GrrrGraphics Cartoons
@GrrrGraphics
·
4h
The FBI framed Gen Flynn and Obama ordered it...PERIOD!
Bigger than Watergate! O Bama GATE GATE! #ALLROADS lead to OBAMA

thebradfordfile™
@thebradfordfile
Barack Obama spied on Trump, framed Flynn, and sabotaged the their transition--but the media is lecturing Trump.

No journalist has ever asked Barack HUSSAIN Obama to explain how the Trump campaign was spied on and General Flynn was framed during his administration.
Perhaps it's time.

Horatius 25th September 2020 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monza (Post 13236575)
This is literally one of the jokes from Idiocracy. President Camacho announced his "3-point plan" to solve the country's major problem.

#1 - I've got a guy.
#2 - He's really smart.
#3 - He will solve the problem.

As others have noted:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 13236578)
Someone pointed out, thought, that while the president in Idiocracy was stupid, even he ultimately asked an actual expert for help. Considering the people Trump surrounds himself with, he might as well ask advice from a potted plant.


Trump makes it even worse, though, because he adds the steps:

#4 No, not that solution, that would make me look bad!
#5 Let's do the exact opposite! That will make me look good!
#6 Fire that "smart guy" and hire another idiot
#7 That guy was a loser, I never liked him, I don't even know how he got the job!
#8 Deny the problem is still a problem
#9 Give himself an A++DoublePlusGood mark for how he handled the problem


Quote:

Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13236583)
Maybe we should start a poll... Who is the better president. Comancho or Trump.

Neither were very smart, but comancho got the smartest person on the planet to fix his problems... Trump got Kushner



Camacho in a landslide. He at least never had the chance to not be an idiot - he was on the tail end of hundreds of years of breeding and social conditioning that promoted stupidity and ignorance over intelligence and learning. Trump has no such excuse. He's stupid because he's lazy, and squandered the huge opportunities he had on account of being born into wealth.

And even then, Camacho outshined Trump when it really mattered.

Horatius 25th September 2020 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13236692)
Barack HUSSAIN Obama


Nice to see them bringing out the Golden Oldies in the late stages of the campaign.

Gulliver Foyle 25th September 2020 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13233880)
Trump Tweets

I was honored to receive the Endorsement of the Bay of Pigs Veterans Association in 2016, and am honored once again to receive their Official Support and Endorsement in 2020. Thank you very much, I will never let you down!

I thought Trump hated losers?:confused:

Stacyhs 25th September 2020 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
How so?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13236244)
His denial of hearing it.

Of course. Silly me. Doh.

Skeptic Ginger 25th September 2020 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13236311)
Trump Retweeted

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
It's clear that If Biden wins the WH, Dems will immediately move to pack the courts to increase their political power. As part of their power-grab, Dems will undoubtedly move to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. Don't let these leftwing radicals get away with it, vote Trump!!! #MAGA

A) Projection and he wants his dad's court packing to not look so bad.

B) It's not packing if it's correcting Trump/McConnell packing.

Skeptic Ginger 25th September 2020 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13236540)
That's Trump though. On the rare occassion he actually claims to have a "plan" the plan is never anymore complicated than "Just do it."

Trump is one of those people who honestly think the reason a problem exists is because there's some obvious "from the gut, common sense" solution that all the smarties are thinking about it too much to see because he's an idiot who understands the problem on a surface level at best.

Trump has a health care plan, in his mind, missing all the details.

It will be better than anything ever seen in history.
It will be cheaper than people are paying now, people will be amazed at how cheap it is.
All pre-existing conditions will be included.

Yeah right. :rolleyes:

Stacyhs 25th September 2020 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13236692)
Trump Retweeted

Dawn Michael, PhDGrowing heart
@SexCounseling
Obama should be sued for what he did to General Flynn!

GrrrGraphics Cartoons
@GrrrGraphics
·
4h
The FBI framed Gen Flynn and Obama ordered it...PERIOD!
Bigger than Watergate! O Bama GATE GATE! #ALLROADS lead to OBAMA

thebradfordfile™
@thebradfordfile
Barack Obama spied on Trump, framed Flynn, and sabotaged the their transition--but the media is lecturing Trump.

No journalist has ever asked Barack HUSSAIN Obama to explain how the Trump campaign was spied on and General Flynn was framed during his administration.
Perhaps it's time.

Must Donnie make his feelings of inferiority to and jealousy of Obama so glaringly obvious?

The Great Zaganza 25th September 2020 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle (Post 13236743)
I thought Trump hated losers?:confused:

birds of a feather ...

Regnad Kcin 25th September 2020 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13236671)
Trump on Fox Trump on the Russia investigation,

"It was a coup. And, you know, you never think of this country as a coup. You think of certain South American countries for coup. But we have them cold."

"COLD COUP"
New on NBC this fall!

Gulliver Foyle 25th September 2020 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilBiker (Post 13233949)
It gets weirder.

Donald Trump calls Pope Francis “disgraceful” after he says Trump is not a Christian.

Even funnier, from the same Twitter feed, a Fox News contributor states that Pope Francis needs to ask Trump’s forgiveness for implying Trump is not a Christian.

Unlike the pope, I would consider Trump very christian: Needlessly cruel, greedy, petty, exclusionary and wanton.

But then again, I tend to judge christianity by its major adherents actions, not a cherry picked slice of its holy books words.

Captain_Swoop 25th September 2020 02:07 PM

Trump Tweets

I was honored to be back in Georgia with a truly incredible organization—BLACK VOICES FOR TRUMP, where I announced a brand new plan to deliver more opportunity, more security, more fairness, and more prosperity to black communities. #ThePlatinumPlan

chrispy 25th September 2020 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13236660)
What you need is an empty chair that represents the american people.

But then Clint Eastwood might start blathering to it.

Captain_Swoop 25th September 2020 02:22 PM

Trump Tweets

BIG NEWS! The @Smithsonian American History Museum reopened today in our Nation’s Capital! Go visit @amhistorymuseum and learn about our GREAT Country’s history!

Stacyhs 25th September 2020 02:23 PM

Obama has a plan to get Trump out of the WH if he loses the election:

Quote:

“This is a man who enjoys watching television,” Obama told reporters. “What if, on Inauguration Day, he picks up the remote and nothing comes on?”

“This seems like the most peaceful way to get him to go,” Obama said.

Obama also said that, in order to avoid a constitutional crisis, the White House’s supply of Diet Coke could also be cut off, but added, “I don’t think it will come to that.”

“Once it dawns on him that there’s no cable, his days will stretch out before him in a vista of emptiness,” Obama said. “No ‘Fox & Friends.’ No Tucker Carlson. And no Shark Week.”

“He’ll be on the next helicopter out,” Obama predicted.
The New Yorker


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