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AnonyMoose 17th August 2019 02:22 PM

The Trump Presidency: Sweet/Sweat 16
 
Mod InfoThis is a continuation from Part 15, which has been closed for length. Posts from previous parts may be freely quoted here.

Also, The Loss Leader is BACK (limitations apply).
Posted By:Loss Leader



It's pretty obvious to me why Trump is taking a sudden interest in Greenland...

The Arctic is melting, opening up a whole slew of potential untapped oil reserves and other natural resources.

Greenland is a stones throw away in all directions and could be set up as a major port and ground base for oil exploration/extraction on the seas. The Arctic will soon be an area of contention that countries and oil barons will be fighting over.

There's no doubt in my mind that Canada is going to have one hell of a nightmare on its hands within the next 10-20 years, fighting to try to protect the Arctic biome in our northern territories and waters while corporations come flocking by the hundreds in search of oil and other natural resources.

Trump wants in on the action before it starts.

Buying the land (or at least part of it) means he has the ability to build shipping ports, accomodations, restaurants, places of entertainment, etc for the hundreds (perhaps thousands) of men and women who will be working for these companies.

In a nutshell: It gives Trump free reign to develop and build to his heart's content when the time comes.

Becoming president has given Trump access to detailed information that he wouldn't otherwise be aware of as a common citizen.... I suspect he has learned a lot about what's going on in the oil industry behind the scenes and its plans of development and exploration in the foreseeable future.

Trump sees dollar signs in everything he looks at and is constantly thinking of ways to try to make a buck for himself. Greenland is no exception.

William Parcher 17th August 2019 04:05 PM

Dude is the most incompetent racist fascist dictator of a superpower that has ever lived. The new fascism... you don't do brutal military takeovers and you don't do genocide. Is this some kind of Sesame Street slow roll to white supremacy? Those Nazis who elected him must be seething at this limp noodle dove kind of worthless pansy boy.

He actually asked if he could purchase Greenland? He doesn't know the first thing about being a white supremacist. I betcha he's never even joined a Nazi white supremacist website. Does he know which end of a gun to hold? What a frikkin dolt!

shemp 17th August 2019 05:13 PM

If you want something you just take it! Let's find a provocation (stale pastries?) and go to war with Denmark!

Apathia 17th August 2019 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shemp (Post 12790364)
If you want something you just take it! Let's find a provocation (stale pastries?) and go to war with Denmark!

I hear there's something rotten in Denmark.
Let's go package it as a health supplement!

Checkmite 17th August 2019 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamSeger
You'll have to wait until they get organized enough to have a sign-up.

Indeed. "Antifa" as used by the alt-right and their apologists is literally "whoever shows up to express opposition to the fascists/white nationalists". There's no form to sign.

alfaniner 17th August 2019 05:34 PM

(I much preferred "Tweet 16" as suggested, but whatever...)

newyorkguy 17th August 2019 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Checkmite (Post 12790370)
"Antifa" as used by the alt-right and their apologists is literally "whoever shows up to express opposition to the fascists/white nationalists". There's no form to sign.

And of course Trump doesn't understand this.
Quote:

"Major consideration is being given to naming ANTIFA an 'ORGANIZATION OF TERROR.' Portland is being watched very closely. Hopefully the Mayor will be able to properly do his job!" Trump tweeted. Link
Or does he but knows his base won't?

What's the Portland connection? The Proud Boys are staging a 'protest' there and expect counter-demonstrators to show up. As a local (New York) politician noted this afternoon, "Once again president Trump aligns himself with white Nationalists."

Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes:
Quote:

“Like Gavin McInnes says, violence isn’t great, but justified violence is amazing.” McInnes has claimed repeatedly that “fighting solves everything”. In a podcast last May, he said: “You’re not a man until you’ve had the crap beaten out of you [and] beaten the crap out of someone.” News link
Strange times. :(

Armitage72 17th August 2019 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Checkmite (Post 12790370)
Indeed. "Antifa" as used by the alt-right and their apologists is literally "whoever shows up to express opposition to the fascists/white nationalists". There's no form to sign.


It's been speculated before that that's the whole point. They declare a group that doesn't exist as an actual group to be terrorists and then classify anyone who annoys them as part of that "group".

Delphic Oracle 17th August 2019 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 12790381)
And of course Trump doesn't understand this.

Or does he but knows his base won't?

What's the Portland connection? The Proud Boys are staging a 'protest' there and expect counter-demonstrators to show up. As a local (New York) politician noted this afternoon, "Once again president Trump aligns himself with white Nationalists."

Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes:


Strange times. :(

Because Portland has about the largest nexus of absolute stone stupid Antifa anywhere in the country* who will play right into the narrative and think themselves heroes for it.

*perhaps tied with Berkeley/Bay Area in general

Regnad Kcin 17th August 2019 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12790371)
(I much preferred "Tweet 16" as suggested, but whatever...)

Much agreed. “Sweat” 16?

alfaniner 17th August 2019 09:03 PM

Quote:

Quote:
"Major consideration is being given to naming ANTIFA an 'ORGANIZATION OF TERROR.' Portland is being watched very closely. Hopefully the Mayor will be able to properly do his job!" Trump tweeted.
Notice no mention of the group they were protesting against.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin (Post 12790432)
Much agreed. “Sweat” 16?

I know... It conjures up an image I'd rather not have in my brain. (Unfortunately also, "Sweet 16" does too.) Plus, I don't get any connection for the former.

Checkmite 17th August 2019 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 12790406)
It's been speculated before that that's the whole point. They declare a group that doesn't exist as an actual group to be terrorists and then classify anyone who annoys them as part of that "group".

It is a speculation I tend to agree with.

Norman Alexander 18th August 2019 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 12790406)
It's been speculated before that that's the whole point. They declare a group that doesn't exist as an actual group to be terrorists and then classify anyone who annoys them as part of that "group".

Can we enroll Trump in Antifa? The American No To Illegal Families Activists?


(Go on, everyone! I'm sure there's plenty of better acronym sources than me. ;) )

dann 18th August 2019 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apathia (Post 12790365)
I hear there's something rotten in Denmark.


There is! There is!!! :)

quadraginta 18th August 2019 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Parcher (Post 12790330)
Dude is the most incompetent racist fascist dictator of a superpower that has ever lived. The new fascism... you don't do brutal military takeovers and you don't do genocide. Is this some kind of Sesame Street slow roll to white supremacy? Those Nazis who elected him must be seething at this limp noodle dove kind of worthless pansy boy.

He actually asked if he could purchase Greenland? He doesn't know the first thing about being a white supremacist. I betcha he's never even joined a Nazi white supremacist website. Does he know which end of a gun to hold? What a frikkin dolt!


None of that really matters.

As long as he and his administration use those people, as long as he enables and encourages them. As long as his political appointees discourage the apparatus of law enforcement and anti-terrorism from pursuing them then the effect is the same as if he was a full-fledged, card-carrying, passionate, competent, and energized member.

Possibly even worse, because his wishy-washy, half-assed attempts at refusal to be obvious gives a pitiful sort of deniability.

And that is exactly what is happening.

Captain_Swoop 18th August 2019 03:09 AM

Trump Retweeted

Team Trump
@TeamTrump

From Daily Mail:NH fire marshal: @realDonaldTrump DID smash Elton John’s arena attendance record

MUST WATCH:
Massive overflow crowd outside of @realDonaldTrump's rally in New Hampshire chants "Four More Years!" & "USA!" while watching the president speak.
For the HATERS, "overflow" is the area outside a packed arena where people who can't get in can watch on screens!

Captain_Swoop 18th August 2019 03:14 AM

Trump Tweets

The Fake News Media HATES to see this!

Corey R. Lewandowski
@CLewandowski_
Fire marshal says Donald Trump DID smash Elton John's attendance record at New Hampshire arena https://dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ire-arena.html

Captain_Swoop 18th August 2019 03:19 AM

Trump Retweets

AZTrumplican
@AZTrumplican
We care because the news would have us think he has no support and that Joe Biden is leading in the polls when he can’t even get 96 people to stay awake at his rally.

Add your name
@JTP236
It was a GREAT rally!! The energy Trump brought was ELECTRIC! Felt like i was at a Beatles concert!! Love my President! Keep it up 45!

Lori Hendry
@Lrihendry
They are eaten alive by hate for our President & his voters!
They care more about illegal immigrants than they do for American citizens!
Look no further than CA re-directing money away from US citizens to illegal immigrants.
Thank you for putting America 1st Mr. President

Captain_Swoop 18th August 2019 03:21 AM

Trump Retweets

Dan Bongino
@dbongino
Everywhere the group ANTIFA (Anti-First Amendment) goes, violence and chaos follows. This is a violent, anti-civil liberties, group of thugs looking to hurt and injure anyone in their way.

Captain_Swoop 18th August 2019 03:23 AM

Trump Tweets

Such a disgrace at the once great @nytimes!


Sharyl Attkisson
@SharylAttkisson
The takeaway? The NYT says it is mapping out a narrative in advance of any naturally-occurring, true news events, and plans to shape all natural-occurring, true news events so that they are reported in the context of racism. This is what they believe their readers want. https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/sta...44323712802817

Norman Alexander 18th August 2019 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12790578)
Trump Retweeted

Team Trump
@TeamTrump

From Daily Mail:NH fire marshal: @realDonaldTrump DID smash Elton John’s arena attendance record

MUST WATCH:
Massive overflow crowd outside of @realDonaldTrump's rally in New Hampshire chants "Four More Years!" & "USA!" while watching the president speak.
For the HATERS, "overflow" is the area outside a packed arena where people who can't get in can watch on screens!

Plenty of empty seats. And Elton's attendance figure was set in 2004.

Also, what's with these references to "HATERS"? You sound a lot like Kellyanne Conjob, not a US president, Donny.

GlennB 18th August 2019 03:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12790590)
Plenty of empty seats. And Elton's attendance figure was set in 2004.

I think this is the correct rally

a_unique_person 18th August 2019 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12790582)
Trump Retweets

AZTrumplican
@AZTrumplican
We care because the news would have us think he has no support and that Joe Biden is leading in the polls when he can’t even get 96 people to stay awake at his rally.

Add your name
@JTP236
It was a GREAT rally!! The energy Trump brought was ELECTRIC! Felt like i was at a Beatles concert!! Love my President! Keep it up 45!

Lori Hendry
@Lrihendry
They are eaten alive by hate for our President & his voters!
They care more about illegal immigrants than they do for American citizens!
Look no further than CA re-directing money away from US citizens to illegal immigrants.
Thank you for putting America 1st Mr. President

Russian bots have been busy today.

Captain_Swoop 18th August 2019 04:25 AM

He has retweeted lots of 'best president ever' tweets from random people. He must be feeling insecure today.

phiwum 18th August 2019 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12790578)
Trump Retweeted

Team Trump
@TeamTrump

From Daily Mail:NH fire marshal: @realDonaldTrump DID smash Elton John’s arena attendance record

MUST WATCH:
Massive overflow crowd outside of @realDonaldTrump's rally in New Hampshire chants "Four More Years!" & "USA!" while watching the president speak.
For the HATERS, "overflow" is the area outside a packed arena where people who can't get in can watch on screens!

Not that any of this matters, but concerts don't have overflow. I'd bet that there's never been overflow used at the arena before. Hence, fill the arena to capacity with some in overflow and you'll be the record holder.

For SNHU arena. Ooh.

Anyway, filling an arena is a great indication that Trump is the best president ever, except maybe for Lincoln.

phiwum 18th August 2019 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 12790595)
I think this is the correct rally

That photo could be in the obstructed view area. Without context, I wouldn't take it too seriously. I would take the fire marshal's claim seriously.

thaiboxerken 18th August 2019 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 12790657)
That photo could be in the obstructed view area. Without context, I wouldn't take it too seriously. I would take the fire marshal's claim seriously.

Capacity would include the obstructed view areas.

phiwum 18th August 2019 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken (Post 12790660)
Capacity would include the obstructed view areas.

Capacity for a given event surely excludes obstructed view? I could be wrong, but it doesn't matter whether it was full to literal capacity or to usable capacity.

I'm sure that part of the arena couldn't be filled by Elton John or any other performer. Aside from sports events, there's bound to be some unusable seats (ignoring unusual stage setups, I suppose). If no sports events have sold out and if more folks were seated or in overflow than in any other event, then Trump had the biggest turnout ever for that college arena.

In any case, the fire marshal claims (allegedly?) that it was the largest crowd in the arena. He seems to be a guy who would know, more 'n likely, and I will take his word for it until I see reason not to. A photo like that is poor evidence compared to the fire marshal's assessment.

Beelzebuddy 18th August 2019 06:13 AM

Context: https://twitter.com/eradecic/status/1162794073201229826

It wasn't an obstructed view. It just wasn't filled.

phiwum 18th August 2019 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 12790675)
Context: https://twitter.com/eradecic/status/1162794073201229826

It wasn't an obstructed view. It just wasn't filled.

Thanks for the context.

This isn't an issue that deserves much thought and consideration. It is the teeniest of Trump's lies, if it's a lie.

But I'll point out that we're left with the testimony of a twitter user I don't know and a photo taken at an unknown time. I can't tell, but there appears to be no one at the podium. My image editor reports no EXIF data to determine the time (given a correctly set time on the camera).

On the other hand, we have the secondhand testimony of the fire marshal. I haven't bothered to look and see whether he said this publicly or not.

I tend to favor the latter, presuming it's being faithfully reported for now. I also tend to think deciding whether this is true or false isn't worth the time I've put into it already. If it's false, I reckon that it will end up on the Post's fact checker site. If it doesn't, then I'll presume it's true.

Beelzebuddy 18th August 2019 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 12790687)
Thanks for the context.

This isn't an issue that deserves much thought and consideration. It is the teeniest of Trump's lies, if it's a lie.

But I'll point out that we're left with the testimony of a twitter user I don't know and a photo taken at an unknown time. I can't tell, but there appears to be no one at the podium. My image editor reports no EXIF data to determine the time (given a correctly set time on the camera).

On the other hand, we have the secondhand testimony of the fire marshal. I haven't bothered to look and see whether he said this publicly or not.

I tend to favor the latter, presuming it's being faithfully reported for now. I also tend to think deciding whether this is true or false isn't worth the time I've put into it already. If it's false, I reckon that it will end up on the Post's fact checker site. If it doesn't, then I'll presume it's true.

I think you've already given the topic more consideration that it's worth. Is it a lie? Yes. Every number Trump has ever said so far has been a lie to flatter himself and distract people, who get caught up proving that he's lying about something petty instead of pointing out his bigotry and general incompetence.

phiwum 18th August 2019 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 12790701)
I think you've already given the topic more consideration that it's worth. Is it a lie? Yes. Every number Trump has ever said so far has been a lie to flatter himself and distract people, who get caught up proving that he's lying about something petty instead of pointing out his bigotry and general incompetence.

That's not reasoning I tend to use.

His past performance indicates that I should not consider his testimony as evidence. It doesn't mean that when he says something involving numbers, I should regard it as false.

The Greater Fool 18th August 2019 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 12790656)
Not that any of this matters, but concerts don't have overflow. I'd bet that there's never been overflow used at the arena before. Hence, fill the arena to capacity with some in overflow and you'll be the record holder.

For SNHU arena. Ooh.

Anyway, filling an arena is a great indication that Trump is the best president ever, except maybe for Lincoln.

Another yuge difference: People had to pay for assigned seating for EJ, any idiot could walk in and sit anywhere to see DT.

The Man 18th August 2019 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 12790381)

Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes:
Quote:

“Like Gavin McInnes says, violence isn’t great, but justified violence is amazing.” McInnes has claimed repeatedly that “fighting solves everything”. In a podcast last May, he said: “You’re not a man until you’ve had the crap beaten out of you [and] beaten the crap out of someone.” News link
Strange times. :(


No, not really an aspect of the times in and of itself. For groups where violence is a way of life, either by choice or a matter of survival, such concepts of 'proving ones mettle' to demonstrate ones manhood or simply ones usefulness to the group would not be uncommon. Even to the point where those beating you, or you are beating, are your own members. What is an aspect of the times are peoples general exposure to such concepts while not being members, related to members or generally directly impacted by such groups.

Heck, given their proclivities it would be strange if such a concept of proving oneself through violence wasn't part of their ethos.

kookbreaker 18th August 2019 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle (Post 12790418)
Because Portland has about the largest nexus of absolute stone stupid Antifa anywhere in the country* who will play right into the narrative and think themselves heroes for it.

*perhaps tied with Berkeley/Bay Area in general

Well, it seems the Portland Nazi rally fell apart even before it started. Most of the leadership abandoned their demonstrators to their own devices and the rally that was supposed to last five hours didn’t make it an hour, with alt-right groups begging the police for escorts away from the demonstration area (which was limited to just under a bridge).

Delphic Oracle 18th August 2019 07:16 AM

Looks like some small skirmishes were all that happened. 13 arrests reported. The police were far better prepared to keep the groups away from each other than say, Charlottesville.

Beelzebuddy 18th August 2019 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 12790704)
That's not reasoning I tend to use.

His past performance indicates that I should not consider his testimony as evidence. It doesn't mean that when he says something involving numbers, I should regard it as false.

Suit yourself. I find there's only so many times I'm willing to extend someone the benefit of the doubt. I don't know how many people were there, but I know it wasn't 11.5k. If it were, he'd have said 15.

newyorkguy 18th August 2019 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 12790381)
...As a local (New York) politician noted this afternoon, "Once again president Trump aligns himself with white Nationalists."

Strange times. :(

The president of the United States implicitly and publicly defending a really vicious right wing group. And on the 50th anniversary of Woodstock, too. Really strange times. ;)

Captain_Swoop 18th August 2019 07:48 AM

Trump Tweets

The Failing New York Times, in one of the most devastating portrayals of bad journalism in history, got caught by a leaker that they are shifting from their Phony Russian Collusion Narrative (the Mueller Report & his testimony were a total disaster), to a Racism Witch Hunt.....

.....”Journalism” has reached a new low in the history of our Country. It is nothing more than an evil propaganda machine for the Democrat Party. The reporting is so false, biased and evil that it has now become a very sick joke...But the public is aware! #CROOKEDJOURNALISM

With all that this Administration has accomplished, think what my Poll Numbers would be if we had an honest Media, which we do not!

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

jimbob 18th August 2019 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12790580)
Trump Tweets

The Fake News Media HATES to see this!

Corey R. Lewandowski
@CLewandowski_
Fire marshal says Donald Trump DID smash Elton John's attendance record at New Hampshire arena https://dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ire-arena.html

No, nothing wrong with the psychological health of the POTUS if he has the ability to focus on something so utterly unimportant.


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