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Captain_Swoop 1st October 2020 06:46 AM

At the Duluth rally Trump said "Biden will turn Minnesota into a refugee camp"
In a state with one of the largest Somali populations in the country,
Trump goaded the crowd in to booing refugees and "lock her up!" chants directed at Ilhan Omar.

Also "I'm not doing well in the suburbs. Are you people crazy"
He claimed that Biden will destroy the suburbs by "abolishing single-family zoning"

Back to his Nobel nomination
"They covered one story, it was about rain, these people are sick"

"Now I understand he's canceling the debates"
Trump is just totally making stuff up. Biden has not canceled either of the two remaining debates.

"What are they gonna do when in 8, 12, maybe 16 years I say, 'let's hang it up'? 16 more years."

On to the wall.
"Mexico is paying for it. You do know that, right? They keep saying it is going to be a border charge at the border."

"A man came up to me. A tough man. A man who, a worker, a construction worker. Real worker, and he looked at me, this is two years ago, he said, 'Sir, you have given us back our life.' And he was crying."

"But if we don't win, I'm never calling you great again" Closing words to voters in Duluth.

JoeMorgue 1st October 2020 06:47 AM

There is an argument I find somewhat (not completely but somewhat) comforting.

The "Right" will not engage in a mass uprising if Trump loses because evolutions/uprisings happen when a people are truly desperate. The "Right" is not truly desperate. They can go on about how there way of life is ending and that all is lost if the Democrats get in power but then they go home to their houses and sleep in their warm comfortable beds and watch TV. People don't go all Red Dawn when they do that.

David Wong (yeah, yeah I'm bringing him up again) mentioned that when he was growing up his family belong to a church where every Sunday the pastor would go on and on about how any day now the "Evil Godless Liberals" would round up all the good God fearing real Americans and everyone nodded and agreed... and then when church let out they didn't go out and buy ammo and prepare for widespread guerilla warfare, they to the Old Country Buffet for lunch and then went home to watch the Bears game.

The Great Zaganza 1st October 2020 06:56 AM

Trump is desperate to cancel the next debates - without a Fox guy lobbying softballs at him "he will love", he will get someone eager to prove that he won't put up with his temper tantrums.

Trump took his best shot and it didn't land.

Lennart Hyland 1st October 2020 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13243250)

"A man came up to me. A tough man. A man who, a worker, a construction worker. Real worker, and he looked at me, this is two years ago, he said, 'Sir, you have given us back our life.' And he was crying."

Something in me tells me that is a lie...

Giordano 1st October 2020 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13243250)
At the Duluth rally Trump said "Biden will turn Minnesota into a refugee camp"
In a state with one of the largest Somali populations in the country,
Trump goaded the crowd in to booing refugees and "lock her up!" chants directed at Ilhan Omar.

Also "I'm not doing well in the suburbs. Are you people crazy"
He claimed that Biden will destroy the suburbs by "abolishing single-family zoning"

Back to his Nobel nomination
"They covered one story, it was about rain, these people are sick"

"Now I understand he's canceling the debates"
Trump is just totally making stuff up. Biden has not canceled either of the two remaining debates.

"What are they gonna do when in 8, 12, maybe 16 years I say, 'let's hang it up'? 16 more years."

On to the wall.
"Mexico is paying for it. You do know that, right? They keep saying it is going to be a border charge at the border."

"A man came up to me. A tough man. A man who, a worker, a construction worker. Real worker, and he looked at me, this is two years ago, he said, 'Sir, you have given us back our life.' And he was crying."

"But if we don't win, I'm never calling you great again" Closing words to voters in Duluth.

Loser! Real tough men, real workers, don’t cry!

As with the rest of the rally quote, and all of Trump’s statements, removing any requirement for reality makes telling compelling stories so much easier!

Captain_Swoop 1st October 2020 09:10 AM

On Fox News, John Roberts is visibly angry that the Press Secretary won't make a clear denunciation of white supremacy: "Stop deflecting. Stop blaming the media. I'm tired of it. " he said.

The question McEnany was asked was, "Without ambiguity or deflection, does the president denounce white supremacism?" She refuses to say "yes."

The Great Zaganza 1st October 2020 09:17 AM

Fox is clearly looking for a way to abandon the USS Trump.
They seem to have gotten the marching orders to draw the line at White Supremacy.

Giordano 1st October 2020 09:18 AM

Just a year ago one of my ex-students cane to me and told me I was the best instructor in the history of humankind. And he begged me to use his head as a foot stool for the rest of his life. Ironically he was weeping so profusely he became dehydrated and died within a month.

timhau 1st October 2020 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 13243423)
Just a year ago one of my ex-students cane to me and told me I was the best instructor in the history of humankind. And he begged me to use his head as a foot stool for the rest of his life. Ironically he was weeping so profusely he became dehydrated and died within a month.

But did he say "Sir"?

ponderingturtle 1st October 2020 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13243400)
On Fox News, John Roberts is visibly angry that the Press Secretary won't make a clear denunciation of white supremacy: "Stop deflecting. Stop blaming the media. I'm tired of it. " he said.

The question McEnany was asked was, "Without ambiguity or deflection, does the president denounce white supremacism?" She refuses to say "yes."

Hey it was from the last election that it was insulting to republicans to call white supremacists deplorable so why would people think it has changed since then?

Captain_Swoop 1st October 2020 09:24 AM

The Trump quotes McEnany is using to defend Trump over white supremacy are misleading, such as trying to spin his debate comments as condemning white supremacy when in fact he did nothing of the sort.

It's like how Trump mocks and dismisses face masks, but occasionally says they're a good thing then his team can acts like he's been the biggest advocate for them and it's a smear campaign to pretend otherwise.

Encourage bigots in one sentence before barely distancing in the next, then attack people who report on the first statement.

johnny karate 1st October 2020 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13243435)
The Trump quotes McEnany is using to defend Trump over white supremacy are misleading, such as trying to spin his debate comments as condemning white supremacy when in fact he did nothing of the sort.

It's like how Trump mocks and dismisses face masks, but occasionally says they're a good thing then his team can acts like he's been the biggest advocate for them and it's a smear campaign to pretend otherwise.

Encourage bigots in one sentence before barely distancing in the next, then attack people who report on the first statement.

Yes, exactly. The standard MO is to take the contradictory statements, back-pedals, and retractions as existing in a vacuum and call anyone a liar who refers to the original statement.

This has been used to great effect with the “Very fine people” statement.

Horatius 1st October 2020 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13243435)
It's like how Trump mocks and dismisses face masks, but occasionally says they're a good thing then his team can acts like he's been the biggest advocate for them and it's a smear campaign to pretend otherwise.

Encourage bigots in one sentence before barely distancing in the next, then attack people who report on the first statement.



And that's the most confusing part of Trump's debate performance. Why the **** didn't he just come up with the obviously correct answer, "Yes, I condemn White Supremacy"? Sure, everyone would have known it was a lie, but this guy lies like a rug. How is it the one time everyone expects him to lie, he just can't seem to do it? It's mindboggling.

And it's the one lie that can't possibly hurt him. The Proud Boys and their ilk will know he's just telling the libtards what they want to hear, the people who weren't going to vote for him don't matter, and it gives just enough of a fig leaf of normalcy that a few racist-but-not-racist white suburbanites might vote for him instead of against him.

This might be the single most confusing act he's committed as president. It doesn't make any sense at all, even when you try to pro-rate it based on how little sense his acts normally make.

Solitaire 1st October 2020 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13243523)
This might be the single most confusing act he's committed as president.
It doesn't make any sense at all, even when you try to pro-rate it based on
how little sense his acts normally make.


Yeah, it does boggle the mind.

Perhaps, it's a product of all his years being around racists.
He's never been exposed to any other point of view on the matter.
Which boggles the mind again.

slyjoe 1st October 2020 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solitaire (Post 13243570)
Yeah, it does boggle the mind.

Perhaps, it's a product of all his years being around racists.
He's never been exposed to any other point of view on the matter.
Which boggles the mind again.

Or, it could be as simple as "don't upset your base".

Horatius 1st October 2020 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13243573)
Or, it could be as simple as "don't upset your base".



But that's the thing - it probably wouldn't upset his base. His base is used to dogwhistles, and used to "saying the quiet part quiet" and all that. They know that, even today, outright support for white supremacy is a losing proposition in most places. So they'll wave it away, they know there's an asterisk on his public denials. They won't care about what he says in public as long as he keeps saying the right things in private, and still actually does the racist things they want him to be doing.

Regnad Kcin 1st October 2020 11:17 AM

He's a petulant dick.

Oh, that's what you'd like me to say, huh? Get bent.

StillSleepy 1st October 2020 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13243523)
And that's the most confusing part of Trump's debate performance. Why the **** didn't he just come up with the obviously correct answer, "Yes, I condemn White Supremacy"? Sure, everyone would have known it was a lie, but this guy lies like a rug. How is it the one time everyone expects him to lie, he just can't seem to do it? It's mindboggling.



And it's the one lie that can't possibly hurt him. The Proud Boys and their ilk will know he's just telling the libtards what they want to hear, the people who weren't going to vote for him don't matter, and it gives just enough of a fig leaf of normalcy that a few racist-but-not-racist white suburbanites might vote for him instead of against him.



This might be the single most confusing act he's committed as president. It doesn't make any sense at all, even when you try to pro-rate it based on how little sense his acts normally make.

It would be off-brand. From the other side of the table, it's merely Trump "telling it like it is" or "just being honest" and a demonstration of strength, the same with talking over his opposition. The underlying theme of Trump's support is a vicarious power trip by proxy for the naively cynical, where virtually nothing matters beyond the expansion and exercise of power to further the appearance and ends of the "powerful" or "righteous." That crowd won't complain until it affects them, and even then they'll do their best to find something else to blame rather than risk being separated from their herd, consciously or not.

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Giordano 1st October 2020 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timhau (Post 13243427)
But did he say "Sir"?

He said, “Yes, please sir!” and handed me a riding crop. I found this confusing. He didn’t even own a horse!

Skeptic Ginger 1st October 2020 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 13243161)
Not for us furriners. :)


They use Amazon. Does Trump know?

They're hiding that shenanigans from furriners? That's bizarre.

You're not missing anything. It was TL;DR.

Craig4 1st October 2020 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13243418)
Fox is clearly looking for a way to abandon the USS Trump.
They seem to have gotten the marching orders to draw the line at White Supremacy.

You don't really think that Paul Ryan left the House to spend more time with his family do you? He left to take a job on the board at Fox News so he could wait for Trump in the tall grass.

Captain_Swoop 1st October 2020 11:50 AM

Trump requires food aid boxes to come with a letter from him

Quote:

The Agriculture Department last week began mandating that millions of boxes of surplus food for needy families include a letter from President Donald Trump claiming credit for the program.

The USDA’s $4 billion Farmers to Families Food Box Program has distributed more than 100 million boxes to those in need since May, with the aim of redirecting meat, dairy and produce that might normally go to restaurants and other food-service businesses. But organizations handing out the aid complain the program is now being used to bolster Trump’s image a month before a high-stakes election — and some even have refused to distribute them.

“In my 30 years of doing this work, I've never seen something this egregious,” said Lisa Hamler-Fugitt, executive director of the Ohio Association of Food Banks. "These are federally purchased boxes.”

The letter comes in both English and Spanish on White House letterhead and features Trump’s bold signature: “As President, safeguarding the health and well-being of our citizens is one of my highest priorities,” it reads. “As part of our response to coronavirus, I prioritized sending nutritious food from our farmers to families in need throughout America.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...d-boxes-424230

Skeptic Ginger 1st October 2020 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland (Post 13243370)
Something in me tells me that is a lie...

The lies are more outrageous than ever. Something tells me Trump has heard he didn't do well in the debate. He already knows he's losing in the polls and his drifting into his fantasy world for comfort is getting worse.

Resume 1st October 2020 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13243660)
Trump requires food aid boxes to come with a letter from him



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...d-boxes-424230

Now, is he just campaigning, or is this another example of his narcissism?

Lurch 1st October 2020 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13243250)
At the Duluth rally Trump said "Biden will turn Minnesota into a refugee camp"
In a state with one of the largest Somali populations in the country,
Trump goaded the crowd in to booing refugees and "lock her up!" chants directed at Ilhan Omar.

Also "I'm not doing well in the suburbs. Are you people crazy"
He claimed that Biden will destroy the suburbs by "abolishing single-family zoning"

Back to his Nobel nomination
"They covered one story, it was about rain, these people are sick"

"Now I understand he's canceling the debates"
Trump is just totally making stuff up. Biden has not canceled either of the two remaining debates.

"What are they gonna do when in 8, 12, maybe 16 years I say, 'let's hang it up'? 16 more years."

On to the wall.
"Mexico is paying for it. You do know that, right? They keep saying it is going to be a border charge at the border."

"A man came up to me. A tough man. A man who, a worker, a construction worker. Real worker, and he looked at me, this is two years ago, he said, 'Sir, you have given us back our life.' And he was crying."

"But if we don't win, I'm never calling you great again" Closing words to voters in Duluth.

Re. that last. He's converging toward his own Hitlerian rantings of revenge on his own People as the end nears.

Horatius 1st October 2020 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13243674)
Now, is he just campaigning, or is this another example of his narcissism?


Is there a difference?

wasapi 1st October 2020 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13243674)
Now, is he just campaigning, or is this another example of his narcissism?

I believe both are true. Cut from the same putrid orange cloth.

Giordano 1st October 2020 01:44 PM

The world has indeed turned upside down! McEnany admitted to and apologized for an error! She admitted to incorrectly stating that Barrett had received a Rhodes scholarship whereas Barrett had actually simply attended Rhodes College.

Just a mistake but I don’t recall any other wrong statement that McEnany ever backed down from. Maybe it’s because she and not Donald made the original error. I can only imagine the terror in which Trump holds his staff!

MRC_Hans 1st October 2020 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasapi (Post 13243725)
I believe both are true. Cut from the same putrid orange cloth.

I agree. What really means anything to Trump is how it supports his ego. The DEMs could exploit this, but I fear they are not going to do it. Either they are too sleepy, or it is below their honor. In either case, it's a shame.

Hans

alfaniner 1st October 2020 02:05 PM

As we get closer to the election, I suspect his lies will get even bigger, until we get to the biggest one of all, bar none. Come November 2, the last thing we'll hear will be something like "...And I'll see to it that every single person in the United States gets a million dollars! It's true! Vote for me, your favorite President, Donald Trump!

TragicMonkey 1st October 2020 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13243660)
Trump requires food aid boxes to come with a letter from him



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...d-boxes-424230

I'd just automatically assume a box of food with Trump's name on it means you have to pay for it, and it'll be overpriced. Or that the food was poisoned. Or both.

TragicMonkey 1st October 2020 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 13243866)
As we get closer to the election, I suspect his lies will get even bigger, until we get to the biggest one of all, bar none. Come November 2, the last thing we'll hear will be something like "...And I'll see to it that every single person in the United States gets a million dollars! It's true! Vote for me, your favorite President, Donald Trump!

And then it turns out to be coupons for a "million dollar hug" from a Trump. And it'd be Eric. Ugh. I'm not saying he's definitely a weasel vampire, but I'm not not saying it, either.

pgwenthold 1st October 2020 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 13243839)
The world has indeed turned upside down! McEnany admitted to and apologized for an error! She admitted to incorrectly stating that Barrett had received a Rhodes scholarship whereas Barrett had actually simply attended Rhodes College.

Just a mistake but I don’t recall any other wrong statement that McEnany ever backed down from. Maybe it’s because she and not Donald made the original error. I can only imagine the terror in which Trump holds his staff!

I was hearing about this today and saw that the Rhodes Scholar thing was mentioned in FoxNews on Sept 25.

When did she say it?

I am trying to sort out, did she get it from Fox or did they get it from her?

Btw, the reporter that drilled her today on "what river?" was from Fox News Radio. It's clear to everyone that Trump is a blowhole

Captain_Swoop 1st October 2020 02:44 PM

Trump Tweeted

Thank you!
Quote Tweet

Team Trump (Text VOTE to 88022)
@TeamTrump
In Joe Biden's America, we'd all be in danger.
Joe Biden does not have the backs of our police officers.

Captain_Swoop 1st October 2020 02:47 PM

Trump Retweeted

David J Harris Jr
@DavidJHarrisJr
These are her own constituents.
Trump Supporters at Minnesota Rally Chant ‘Lock Her Up!’ When Trump Mentions Ilhan Omar
On Wednesday, President Donald Trump's supporters started a "lock her up" chant about Representative Ilhan Omar (D-MN) as the president warned of the dangers of allowing refugees to resettle in Minnesota.
djhjmedia.com

Anyone else tired of the lies?
Chris Wallace of @foxnewssunday should be ashamed of himself!
RT so America knows the truth!
#TrumpIsARacist my ass!

Captain_Swoop 1st October 2020 02:48 PM

duplicate

Safe-Keeper 1st October 2020 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey (Post 13243872)
And then it turns out to be coupons for a "million dollar hug" from a Trump. And it'd be Eric. Ugh. I'm not saying he's definitely a weasel vampire, but I'm not not saying it, either.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...64f38a848c.jpg

Captain_Swoop 1st October 2020 02:51 PM

Trump Retweeted

John Solomon
@jsolomonReports
Breaking: Senate report slams Bidens for conflicts of interest, flags possible criminal activity. GOP-led investigation cites evidence of Burisma bribe, suspicious foreign money transfers and sex trafficking.

Gregg Jarrett
@GreggJarrett
Extortion, Bribery and Sex Trafficking: The Truth about Hunter Biden - Gregg Jarrett
A year-long Senate investigation into Hunter Biden’s foreign handlings concluded just 41 days before the election, leaving Republicans with some major leverage over Biden’s campaign.
thegreggjarrett.com

Hunter Biden Report Bombshell: Biden Was Briefed About Son, Caused Problems In Obama White House -...
In a bombshell report, Fox News contributor Molly Hemingway explains Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden has “not spoken accurately about his knowledge of his son’s involvement in Burisma.”
thegreggjarrett.com

Captain_Swoop 1st October 2020 03:06 PM

Trump Tweets

I will be overturning this ridiculous order immediately!

The Columbia Bugle Flag of United States
@ColumbiaBugle
Drain the Pentagon Swamp!

Breaking911
@Breaking911
Navy SEALs change official ethos to be gender neutral, remove ‘brotherhood’ and 'man' - @AmerMilNews

GlennB 1st October 2020 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StillSleepy (Post 13243600)
It would be off-brand. From the other side of the table, it's merely Trump "telling it like it is" or "just being honest" and a demonstration of strength, the same with talking over his opposition. The underlying theme of Trump's support is a vicarious power trip by proxy for the naively cynical, where virtually nothing matters beyond the expansion and exercise of power to further the appearance and ends of the "powerful" or "righteous." That crowd won't complain until it affects them, and even then they'll do their best to find something else to blame rather than risk being separated from their herd, consciously or not.

It was never put better than this.


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