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SezMe 7th October 2020 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13250171)
Trump Tweets

A Disgraceful Con Artist! Charges anyone?
Quote Tweet

Gregg Jarrett
@GreggJarrett
BOMBSHELL: Clinton Allegedly Approved Russiagate Falsehood As Distraction From Email Scandal https://gjarr.it/33ocRnF

Well, I think we can all agree that the Trump administration has unmatched expertise in distractions to replace coverage of scandals by the media.

SezMe 7th October 2020 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RolandRat (Post 13250272)
Surely business could continue as usual without the outgoing administration having the ability to hold onto such power when they have been voted out?

Yes, but the federal government is altogether a different matter. There are, literally, thousands of appointments to be made, changes in policies to be enacted and the new government's approach to ongoing issues. I think two months is a reasonable transition period. That said, I think that during the transition period, the existing government should be severely limited in the actions they can take.

Aridas 7th October 2020 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13251032)
Is his report out? I couldn't find it through a web search.

If I recall correctly, yes.

It's just that there was nothing new and meaningful in it for the GOP to actually use.

Aridas 7th October 2020 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13251047)
Yes, but the federal government is altogether a different matter. There are, literally, thousands of appointments to be made, changes in policies to be enacted and the new government's approach to ongoing issues. I think two months is a reasonable transition period. That said, I think that during the transition period, the existing government should be severely limited in the actions they can take.

Let's not forget lots of legally mandated information to be passed from the outgoing to the incoming administration. Like the pandemic playbook.

johnny karate 7th October 2020 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13250857)
All I can say about the Trump Presidency is that I hope we wake up from what has become a national nightmare. I didn't think it could get this bad. In 2016, I thought, "well, I didn't vote for him but how bad could it be?" Yeeesh. And I'm not talking about a specific policy or action that Trump has done. Reality is he hasn't done much at all and what little he has done has been mostly disastrous. I'm talking more about the actual State of the Union as it stands on October 7, 2020. I've never experienced my country like it is right now. I've had long time friends, colleagues, mentors and other acquaintances turn into (reveal themselves as?) hateful people. I've never personally lived through so much division and outright hate for "the other side." I've never seen such callousness for human life as we've seen in the response to the Covid pandemic. I've never felt so . . . ashamed, maybe? That's close enough. I've never felt so ashamed to be an American.

The Trump era needs to end. Period.

My greatest fear is the damage has already been done.

This post did not age well.

dudalb 7th October 2020 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13250857)
All I can say about the Trump Presidency is that I hope we wake up from what has become a national nightmare. I didn't think it could get this bad. In 2016, I thought, "well, I didn't vote for him but how bad could it be?" Yeeesh. And I'm not talking about a specific policy or action that Trump has done. Reality is he hasn't done much at all and what little he has done has been mostly disastrous. I'm talking more about the actual State of the Union as it stands on October 7, 2020. I've never experienced my country like it is right now. I've had long time friends, colleagues, mentors and other acquaintances turn into (reveal themselves as?) hateful people. I've never personally lived through so much division and outright hate for "the other side." I've never seen such callousness for human life as we've seen in the response to the Covid pandemic. I've never felt so . . . ashamed, maybe? That's close enough. I've never felt so ashamed to be an American.

The Trump era needs to end. Period.

My greatest fear is the damage has already been done.

It has become pure Tribalism. It is not even about policy...you can almost always find a compromise on that....but about getting one over on the other side. Unless this chantes, it will wreck this country.
I think Trump is a symptom rather then the cause of this,but his performance in office has only made matters worse.
And, in the worst sign of all, you see people on the left becoming infected with the same tribalism.

Beelzebuddy 7th October 2020 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13251188)
And, in the worst sign of all, you see people on the left becoming infected with the same tribalism.

Only because they're beginning to recognize that the optimal answer does not always lie in the middle as a compromise because some guys will act (or just are) bat**** crazy to stretch the "middle" over towards them. This is a revelation that they're about two decades slow on.

As someone who'd like to see them compromise a little less, I have every confidence that as soon as they find a Republican who is even somewhat lucid most of the time, the Democrats will again fall over themselves trying to please them to prove their bipartisan credentials.

SezMe 7th October 2020 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13250857)
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I've never personally lived through so much division and outright hate for "the other side." I've never seen such callousness for human life as we've seen in the response to the Covid pandemic. I've never felt so . . . ashamed, maybe? That's close enough. I've never felt so ashamed to be an American.

I want to repeat the above because it closely reflects my own view. After the first debate was over I felt ashamed for America.... or ashamed to be an American .... or ashamed of America. All three, I guess.

And never in a way parallel to past shameful actions. The Vietnam War. Jim Crow. Spewing pollution. All these and more were shameful but were bad policy choices that led to bad actions. But with Trump somehow the shame became personal. It hit home like nothing else, like I was a part of what was happening, despite myself.

As xjx388 noted, the worse is not all the laws Trump has broken or his many, many personal faults, the bigger issues are the lack of civility, the childish name calling, the disinterest in the success of our democratic experiment, being president for only his base and so on. He campaigned on bring out the worst of us, not the best. He's allowed racism and white nationalism to exist on the public stage.

As Thomas Paine wrote in December, 1776, "These are the times that try men's souls." They are, indeed.

dirtywick 7th October 2020 09:39 PM

It's what happens when only one side is acting in good faith.

newyorkguy 8th October 2020 04:37 AM

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President Trump claimed on Wednesday that catching the coronavirus was “a blessing from God” and portrayed as a miracle cure the unproven therapeutic drug he was given after testing positive last week for the virus. Mr. Trump said he planned to make the antibody cocktail being developed by the drug maker Regeneron, which does not yet have government approval, free to anyone who needs it. He did not explain how he would do it... New York Times link

The way trump has been behaving the past several days, if he was a U.S. Navy ship captain he'd have been relieved of his command. Realistically, the United States doesn't have a president right now. It's a very scary time. Never saw anything like this. Never could have imagined anything like this.

The Don 8th October 2020 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13251442)
The way trump has been behaving the past several days, if he was a U.S. Navy ship captain he'd have been relieved of his command. Realistically, the United States doesn't have a president right now. It's a very scary time. Never saw anything like this. Never could have imagined anything like this.

President Trump wouldn't have to say how he would deliver those drugs to everyone for free because he's an ideas man, a big picture guy, he doesn't have to bother with the nitty gritty of tiny details - he has people for that.

For an illustration of this, look at his approach to healthcare. He makes an announcement that he has a great plan, issues an Executive Order but then the content of that EO is that other people need to work through the nitty-gritty of actually coming up with a plan.

It's like if I decide that I want to own a world class restaurant. That's my part done, setting the vision, it's up to other people to raise the money, find and refurbish the location, decide what kind of restaurant it's going to be, recruit the staff, decide what kind of restaurant it's going to be, develop the menu and so on. :rolleyes:

Captain_Swoop 8th October 2020 05:35 AM

Trump is on a call to Fox ranting and raving about indicting Hillary Clinton.

Captain_Swoop 8th October 2020 05:38 AM

Asked what he'll do to bring the economy back in a second term, Trump goes on an unhinged rant abo
"We shouldn't be hurting our workers because China put the curse on"

"She's a communist," Trump says of Kamala Harris, adding without a shred of irony that "Biden won't make it two months as president"

Trump claims he's killed terrorists that are "bigger names than Osama bin Laden"

Captain_Swoop 8th October 2020 05:40 AM

"He's been disappointing" -- Trump throws FBI Director Wray under the bus

"Unless Bill Barr indicts these people for crimes -- the greatest political crime in history of our country -- then we'll get little satisfaction ... and that includes Obama and that includes Biden"

Armitage72 8th October 2020 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13250319)
Trump Retweeted

George Papadopoulos
@GeorgePapa19
BREAKING: The Department of Justice announced an 11AM press conference tomorrow on a “Matter of National Security.”


This seems to have passed unnoticed, since it was pretty much a non-event.
The big DOJ press conference yesterday on "a matter of national security" turned out to be announcing the indictment of several ISIS terrorists who were captured back in 2015.
No arrest warrants for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden after all.

Captain_Swoop 8th October 2020 06:47 AM

As Maria Bartiromo tries to end the interview, Trump yelled out of nowhere, "why isn't Hillary Clinton being indicted?!"

JoeMorgue 8th October 2020 06:48 AM

We aren't going to the end of this without a high profile Democrat Politician being assassinated on Trump's ranting dogwhistles.

Beelzebuddy 8th October 2020 06:55 AM

Trump has been tweeting all manner of crazy crap since his return from the hospital, yet it doesn't seem to be moving any needles or catching any eyes. I think... I mean... are we finally over him? Has he faded into the background noise? Just a dull roar from the White House that everyone's tuned out?

JoeMorgue 8th October 2020 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 13251504)
Trump has been tweeting all manner of crazy crap since his return from the hospital, yet it doesn't seem to be moving any needles or catching any eyes. I think... I mean... are we finally over him? Has he faded into the background noise? Just a dull roar from the White House that everyone's tuned out?

I don't want to jinx it but maybe, here in the 11th hour, Trump finally has achieved "Planck" crazy.

The Great Zaganza 8th October 2020 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13251495)
As Maria Bartiromo tries to end the interview, Trump yelled out of nowhere, "why isn't Hillary Clinton being indicted?!"

Because someone is desperately trying to safe Trump's bacon by not setting the precedent that it is okay to use the DOJ against your political rivals.

xjx388 8th October 2020 07:45 AM

Awww...it's nice to know that people actually read the things I write on here and remember them. You like me! You really do!

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Originally Posted by johnny karate (Post 13251062)
This post did not age well.

No, it did not. I was so wrong. I actually ended up voting third-party but if I could go back in time and slap myself into some sense, I would.

Beelzebuddy 8th October 2020 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13251495)
As Maria Bartiromo tries to end the interview, Trump yelled out of nowhere, "why isn't Hillary Clinton being indicted?!"

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13251548)
Because someone is desperately trying to safe Trump's bacon by not setting the precedent that it is okay to use the DOJ against your political rivals.

Alternately: because Barr intends to arrest her later in October as a late-election Comey Manoeuvre, and if he does it too early it'll be shown as a politically motivated sham by election day and backfire no matter how desperate Trump is to get his poll numbers up right now.

Ladewig 8th October 2020 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 13251504)
Trump has been tweeting all manner of crazy crap since his return from the hospital, yet it doesn't seem to be moving any needles or catching any eyes. I think... I mean... are we finally over him? Has he faded into the background noise? Just a dull roar from the White House that everyone's tuned out?

But the danger in that is that his addiction to attention has not waned at all. That means he is going to get crazier and nuttier until he gets attention.

Plus a lot of his handlers (dealer/suppliers) are out sick this week.

Beelzebuddy 8th October 2020 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13251562)
But the danger in that is that his addiction to attention has not waned at all. That means he is going to get crazier and nuttier until he gets attention.

Plus a lot of his handlers (dealer/suppliers) are out sick this week.

That's something people need to plan for anyway. If he loses he'll have two months to burn down as much as he can on his way out, do you think he won't try to make America regret it?

Darat 8th October 2020 07:59 AM

Of course he will continue as he has always done if he loses in November. But he will be in a very different relationship with everyone around him as he can no longer benefit them and many will be looking out for their future.

JoeMorgue 8th October 2020 08:03 AM

Trump will lose his political power as a lame duck.

But the support of the ~40% of American voters who make up his cult will (might) remain strong as ever.

Trump is very much a messianic figure to some people. They will not go gentle into that good night.

The Great Zaganza 8th October 2020 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 13251561)
Alternately: because Barr intends to arrest her later in October as a late-election Comey Manoeuvre, and if he does it too early it'll be shown as a politically motivated sham by election day and backfire no matter how desperate Trump is to get his poll numbers up right now.

I'm sure Barr wouldn't dare.

The Don 8th October 2020 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13251581)
Trump will lose his political power as a lame duck.

But the support of the ~40% of American voters who make up his cult will (might) remain strong as ever.

Trump is very much a messianic figure to some people. They will not go gentle into that good night.

I'm hoping that a significant proportion will get bored and distracted. After all, quite a few people engaged politically for the first time when Donald Trump came to political prominence.

shemp 8th October 2020 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13251442)
The way trump has been behaving the past several days, if he was a U.S. Navy ship captain he'd have been relieved of his command. Realistically, the United States doesn't have a president right now. It's a very scary time. Never saw anything like this. Never could have imagined anything like this.

It's like the Titanic is heading straight for the iceberg, and the captain and half of the passengers are screaming "FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!"

JoeMorgue 8th October 2020 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13251585)
I'm hoping that a significant proportion will get bored and distracted. After all, quite a few people engaged politically for the first time when Donald Trump came to political prominence.

It won't take a significant proportion to shoot up a few abortion clinics or liberal leaning government offices.

Captain_Swoop 8th October 2020 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13251584)
I'm sure Barr wouldn't dare.

I'm not. He knows he's out of a job if Trump loses.

ponderingturtle 8th October 2020 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 13251588)
It's like the Titanic is heading straight for the iceberg, and the captain and half of the passengers are screaming "FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!"

Icebergs are just fake news.

JoeMorgue 8th October 2020 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 13251600)
Icebergs are just fake news.

First the libruls want us to think the world is getting warmer, now they want us to worry about giant chunks of ice... WHICH IS IT SNOWFLAKES? MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.

Dr. Keith 8th October 2020 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13251555)
Awww...it's nice to know that people actually read the things I write on here and remember them. You like me! You really do!

I always have, except when you disagree with me. ;)



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No, it did not. I was so wrong. I actually ended up voting third-party but if I could go back in time and slap myself into some sense, I would.
Damn, now I may even have to like you when you disagree with me. That would be very hard. I'll think about it some more.

johnny karate 8th October 2020 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13251581)
Trump will lose his political power as a lame duck.

But the support of the ~40% of American voters who make up his cult will (might) remain strong as ever.

Trump is very much a messianic figure to some people. They will not go gentle into that good night.

It will also be interesting to see how other Republicans deal with this.

On one hand, Trump himself will no longer have political power. On the other hand, Republicans will still have to appease a base that is enthralled by Trump.

johnny karate 8th October 2020 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13251555)
Awww...it's nice to know that people actually read the things I write on here and remember them. You like me! You really do!

No, it did not. I was so wrong. I actually ended up voting third-party but if I could go back in time and slap myself into some sense, I would.

Welcome to the Resistance.

You’re a little late, but there’s still plenty of room.

Dr. Keith 8th October 2020 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13251584)
I'm sure Barr wouldn't dare.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13251599)
I'm not. He knows he's out of a job if Trump loses.

I agree that Barr likely won't, but not because of the job. Because I think he knows it would backfire.

It would be so outrageous that they would lose some of the "business" republicans. The folks who are holding their noses for the tax breaks and hoping they land in the right bucket in tariff battles. They may not be able to hold their noses for that kind of BS. "Lock her up" is a motivational battle cry to them, not an actual policy they support. Rich and powerful people being locked up is something they actually fear.

Barr will make more money after he loses this job than he does right now, by a factor of ten times per year. And he will be working far less. This job is about righteousness, not money.

Firestone 8th October 2020 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13251498)
We aren't going to the end of this without a high profile Democrat Politician being assassinated on Trump's ranting dogwhistles.

Well, remember "LIBERATE MICHIGAN"?

The FBI thwarted what they described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and federal prosecutors are expected to discuss the alleged conspiracy later Thursday.

The alleged plot involved reaching out to members of a Michigan militia, according to a federal affidavit filed Thursday.

"Several members talked about murdering 'tyrants' or 'taking' a sitting governor," an FBI agent wrote in the affidavit. "The group decided they needed to increase their numbers and encouraged each other to talk to their neighbors and spread their message."


https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/new...er/5922301002/

The Great Zaganza 8th October 2020 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13251599)
I'm not. He knows he's out of a job if Trump loses.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13251613)
I agree that Barr likely won't, but not because of the job. Because I think he knows it would backfire. ...


I agree that Barr would worry about the backlash, including for him personally.

A Democrats' investigation of such a political witch-hunt would make Benghazi look like a school report.

Jack by the hedge 8th October 2020 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13243927)
"RT so America knows the truth! "

Russia Today so America knows the truth? That's a bit of a giveaway.

Oh.

No, the other thing.

As you were.


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