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Mojo 14th September 2020 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13221927)
Trump Tweets

Sleepy Joe Biden has spent 47 years in politics being terrible to Hispanics. Now he is relying on Castro lover Bernie Sanders to help him out. That won’t work! Remember, Miami Cubans gave me the highly honored Bay of Pigs Award for all I have done for our great Cuban Population!


Apparently there’s no such award, but I can imagine Trump being given some sort of award with “pig” in the title.

Bob001 14th September 2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13222777)
It was mentioned in an earlier post that he received an endorsement, not an award, from an organization called the Bay of Pigs Veterans Association.


Trump himself said he won "the highly honored Bay of Pigs award." The endorsement was from 2016. And I'm not sure who this band of elderly counter-revolutionaries thinks they represent. It's not like getting endorsed by the UAW.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/09/trump-bay-of-pigs-award/

TragicMonkey 14th September 2020 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13222903)
Trump himself said he won "the highly honored Bay of Pigs award."

Eventually he'll remember getting a huge gold trophy in the shape of a pig, presented to him by a team of trained circus pigs, in front of a HUGE stadium full of hundreds of thousands of people cheering him. And it was televised to millions more watching at home. It happened on National Pig Day, and also there were so many people telling Trump he's so smart, he's the smartest, and there was a pork contest and Trump won it along with a second trophy.

varwoche 14th September 2020 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13222856)
Trump Retweeted

Steve Milloy
@JunkScience
California has a long history of megadroughts that pre-date SUVs.
People can either manage forests intelligently or nature will do it indiscriminately.

A blast from the past. He's an activist, global warming denier.

Even if he is right about cause, which he isn't, the fires are predominantly on federal land. It's Trump who needs to get the brooms deployed.

Mojo 14th September 2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey (Post 13222947)
Eventually he'll remember getting a huge gold trophy in the shape of a pig, presented to him by a team of trained circus pigs, in front of a HUGE stadium full of hundreds of thousands of people pigs cheering him. And it was televised to millions more watching at home. It happened on National Pig Day, and also there were so many people telling Trump he's so smart, he's the smartest, and there was a pork contest and Trump won it along with a second trophy.


FTFY.

carlitos 14th September 2020 10:31 AM

What are the odds that someone asks him about why he isn't managing the forests, most of which are on federal land?

ETA - which varwoche already said, yeah. :)

JoeMorgue 14th September 2020 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by carlitos (Post 13222970)
What are the odds that someone asks him about why he isn't managing the forests, most of which are on federal land?

ETA - which varwoche already said, yeah. :)

Oh come on what the odds Trump even knows that Federal Land is?

It's in California on the map, it's California's problem is literally as far as his mind can go, if it goes that far.

Stacyhs 14th September 2020 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13222595)
Trump Tweets

Biden Handlers know this is a lie!
Quote Tweet

New ad by the Biden camp suggesting President Trump will deplete Social Security by 2023, receives four Pinocchios from WAPO.
FACTS MATTER.

We will be substantially LOWERING Medicare Premiums and Prescription Drug Prices, bringing them down to levels that were not thought possible!

Highlighted part: Oh, the irony!!!

I'll believe Medicare premiums and prescription drug prices will be lowered substantially (much less "to levels that were not thought possible") when I see it. Not that Trump lies. No, not at all. Maybe they're part of the fantastic GOP health plan that's coming any day now. Or two weeks from now.

ETA: This is priceless. Immediately after posting that "FACTS MATTER" in one tweet, Trumps tweets .
Quote:

...replied “Yes, Absolutely.” Biden calls for abolishing cash bail and closing prisons — and Biden even called law enforcement “the ENEMY.” Biden’s anti-police crusade must STOP. Furthermore, the corporations funding anti-police organizations should instead give their money..
.

Biden never said any such thing. What he did say was:
Quote:

"Surplus military equipment for law enforcement — they don't need that. The last thing you need is an up-armored Humvee coming into a neighborhood; it's like the military invading. They don't know anybody; they become the enemy, they’re supposed to be protecting these people."
https://www.wral.com/fact-check-penc...text/19188646/

timhau 14th September 2020 10:46 AM

Has anyone else noticed that Rasmussen polls have been really out there lately?

carlitos 14th September 2020 10:48 AM

WaPo documents 20,000 Trump lies and that’s fake news. WaPo gives Joe Biden four Pinocchios and I should care.

alfaniner 14th September 2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13222854)
Trump Tweets

Trump Tweets
Push it hard Marsha. DOJ must act. This should include Crooked Hillary’s illegal deletion of her emails. SPEED!

Annnnnddd... we're back to the ******* emails again. Unbelievable.

Captain_Swoop 14th September 2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 13223039)
Annnnnddd... we're back to the ******* emails again. Unbelievable.

he was calling for Hillary and her lawyers to be thrown in jail at the last rally.

JoeMorgue 14th September 2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13223042)
he was calling for Hillary and her lawyers to be thrown in jail at the last rally.

Listen he's got to play the hits. A Trump rally without "Lock her up" would be like Don McLean not closing with "American Pie."

Stacyhs 14th September 2020 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by carlitos (Post 13223002)
WaPo documents 20,000 Trump lies and that’s fake news. WaPo gives Joe Biden four Pinocchios and I should care.

Especially after Trump's campaign was caught editing several videos themselves.
This is interesting from an interview with Glenn Kessler who does WAPO's fact checking on Trump:

Quote:

Washington Post's Glenn Kessler On The Full-Time Job Of Fact-Checking Trump

How often are the lies of the four Pinocchio nature, which is to say a bald faced lie as opposed to maybe a misstatement of fact, but essentially correct.

You mean for Trump versus opponents in general?

Well, I guess that's interesting. How about both?

As an example, Barack Obama, or Hillary Clinton or someone like that, or Ted Cruz…

A mainstream politician of the traditional mold.

Right, we fact checked Obama like 200 times, so, you know, I'm talking about people that we have fact checked regularly. Generally, it works out to end up with four Pinocchios about 15 to 20% of the time. In the case of Trump, it's about 65 to 70% of the time. He's just in a totally different realm. And the worst politician we ever had regularly checked before Trump was a Congresswoman from Minnesota, Michelle Bachmann and she earned four Pinocchios 30% of the time. So Trump is just in another status here.
Trump just bald faced, 4 Pinocchios lies 65-70% of the time!

Mojo 14th September 2020 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13223042)
he was calling for Hillary and her lawyers to be thrown in jail at the last rally.


Projection, again.

Stacyhs 14th September 2020 11:49 AM

Even taking away politics, as a human being Trump is just a vile, vile man. His own sister has nothing nice to say about him. Roger Stone is his friend. He admired Roy Cohn. You have a hard time finding anyone who really has anything nice to say about him who isn't sucking up to him but you have lots of stories about what an awful, petty, vengeful person he is. He is just an awful person.

Craig4 14th September 2020 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13222975)
Highlighted part: Oh, the irony!!!

I'll believe Medicare premiums and prescription drug prices will be lowered substantially (much less "to levels that were not thought possible") when I see it. Not that Trump lies. No, not at all. Maybe they're part of the fantastic GOP health plan that's coming any day now. Or two weeks from now.

ETA: This is priceless. Immediately after posting that "FACTS MATTER" in one tweet, Trumps tweets .
.

Biden never said any such thing. What he did say was:

https://www.wral.com/fact-check-penc...text/19188646/

So, the ad is sort of false. The Social Security Actuarial used hypothetical legislation to come up with a model that said the account would run dry by 2023. The false part is that there is no Trump plan. All Trump said was that he'd eliminate payroll tax but there's no actual plan to analyze as Trump hasn't presented one.

JoeMorgue 14th September 2020 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13223064)
Even taking away politics, as a human being Trump is just a vile, vile man. His own sister has nothing nice to say about him. Roger Stone is his friend. He admired Roy Cohn. You have a hard time finding anyone who really has anything nice to say about him who isn't sucking up to him but you have lots of stories about what an awful, petty, vengeful person he is. He is just an awful person.

It's how he has some much support from people who will swear up and down they don't like him. Because nobody likes Trump. Some people just see him as a flaming brick to throw the window of liberalism.

Stacyhs 14th September 2020 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13223071)
So, the ad is sort of false. The Social Security Actuarial used hypothetical legislation to come up with a model that said the account would run dry by 2023. The false part is that there is no Trump plan. All Trump said was that he'd eliminate payroll tax but there's no actual plan to analyze as Trump hasn't presented one.

I'm not saying it's not false. I just find the hypocrisy funny coming from the Four Pinocchio King.

The Great Zaganza 14th September 2020 12:04 PM

If only Trump was President!

Then he would be able to have Clinton investigated.

But President Biden won't do it!

Stacyhs 14th September 2020 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13223075)
It's how he has some much support from people who will swear up and down they don't like him. Because nobody likes Trump. Some people just see him as a flaming brick to throw the window of liberalism.

That says more about them than Trump. And it isn't good.

JoeMorgue 14th September 2020 12:08 PM

Oh... Jesus does Trump not realize he actually won in 2016?

Holy crap now it all makes sense. He think Clinton won. That's why he's just sitting there in Trump Tower and Maro Lago instead the White House, tweeting all day, wondering why the country is going to hell and nobody is doing anything about it.

Captain_Swoop 14th September 2020 12:12 PM

Trump Tweets

Total Fake Poll. ABC is just like the rest of them!

ABC’s Trump In Trouble Poll Surveyed Just 533, Not Likely Voters, Asked Over 20% More Biden Supporters Than Conservatives https://thenationalpulse.com/news/ab...conservatives/ via @TheNatPulse

Craig4 14th September 2020 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13223086)
I'm not saying it's not false. I just find the hypocrisy funny coming from the Four Pinocchio King.

I think the WaPo is splitting hairs on this one. Trump did say he wanted to make the payroll tax holiday permanent.

Craig4 14th September 2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13223098)
Oh... Jesus does Trump not realize he actually won in 2016?

Holy crap now it all makes sense. He think Clinton won. That's why he's just sitting there in Trump Tower and Maro Lago instead the White House, tweeting all day, wondering why the country is going to hell and nobody is doing anything about it.

If anything Secretary Clinton did was against the law, by my count, the statute of limitations has passed. I don't think that can be said for the crimes Trump is suspected of.

Armitage72 14th September 2020 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13223108)
I think the WaPo is splitting hairs on this one. Trump did say he wanted to make the payroll tax holiday permanent.


He also specifically referred to having a plan, after which his aides immediately clarified that he didn't actually have a plan and was just speaking hypothetically.

Captain_Swoop 14th September 2020 12:41 PM

Trump commenting on climate change at his 'Wildfires' briefing
Trump "It'll start getting cooler, you just watch."
Natural Resources Secretary. "I wish science agreed with you"
Trump "I don't think science knows actually."

He says "exploding trees" are responsible for unprecedented wildfires. "There's no more water pouring through"

Stacyhs 14th September 2020 12:50 PM

Speaking of the Four Pinocchio King, Trump told four lies in one sentence in one tweet:
Quote:

"Was Andy McCabe ever forced to pay back the $700,000 illegally given to him and his wife, for his wife's political campaign, by Crooked Hillary Clinton while Hillary was under FBI investigation, and McCabe was the head of the FBI???"


Almost everything he said was inaccurate. Let's break down the sentence point by point.
"...the $700,000 illegally given to him and his wife, for his wife's political campaign..."

Facts First: There are two false claims in these 14 words alone. McCabe himself did not receive any donations, and the donations were not illegal.

Trump was referring to $675,288 that was donated to the unsuccessful 2015 Virginia state Senate campaign of McCabe's wife, Dr. Jill McCabe: $207,788 from the state Democratic Party and $467,500 from Common Good VA, the political action committee (PAC) of then-Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe.

There is simply no evidence that any of the donations, which were publicly reported in Jill McCabe's financial filings, broke the law. Trump has a long history of wrongly accusing his opponents of illegal behavior.

"...by Crooked Hillary Clinton..."

Facts First: Clinton did not make any of the donations.

McAuliffe is a longtime friend and political associate of Hillary and Bill Clinton, but there is just no indication the Clintons were responsible in any way for his PAC's giving.

"There is no evidence that Hillary Clinton provided political or financial support to Dr. McCabe's 2015 senate campaign," the Justice Department's inspector general wrote in a 2018 report.

The donation from McAuliffe's PAC was not at all exceptional. Common Good VA gave larger donations to two other Democratic candidates as the party tried to win control of the state Senate in 2015: $803,500 to Jeremy McPike and $781,500 to Daniel Gecker.

Jill McCabe was in a competitive race. She lost by 4.8 percentage points to the Republican incumbent.

She noted in a 2018 op-ed article in the Washington Post that the donations from the state party and the governor's PAC were "on par with what other candidates in competitive races on both sides of the aisle received" and that "all those contributions were publicly reported."

"...and McCabe was the head of the FBI???"

Facts First: Andrew McCabe was not "head of the FBI" in 2015. Rather, he ran the bureau as acting director for nearly three months in 2017 -- long after the donations and his wife's defeat -- after Trump fired director James Comey.

McCabe spent most of 2015 as FBI assistant director in charge of the Washington field office. He became associate deputy director in September 2015.

McCabe was promoted to deputy director in February 2016. It was only then, after the donations and his wife's defeat, that he assumed a supervisory role on Clinton investigations.

"By the time McCabe became Deputy Director and assumed supervisory responsibilities for any Clinton-related matters, Dr. McCabe had already lost her election, and no developments in the Clinton-related matters could have any plausible impact on Dr. McCabe's financial interests," the inspector general wrote in 2018.

McCabe voluntarily recused himself from the FBI investigations into Clinton's email practices and the Clinton Foundation in November 2016, after an October 2016 Wall Street Journal article about the donations. (The inspector general reported in 2018 that there were "a few instances" where he did not fully comply with this recusal.)

In a separate 2018 report, the inspector general found McCabe "lacked candor" in four instances when discussing, with Comey and with investigators, his role in providing information to the Wall Street Journal for a separate article that discussed the Clinton Foundation investigation.

Bob001 14th September 2020 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13223064)
Even taking away politics, as a human being Trump is just a vile, vile man. His own sister has nothing nice to say about him. Roger Stone is his friend. He admired Roy Cohn.
......

Much worse, Roy Cohn was his mentor and inspiration. Cohn helped create him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/o...ohn-trump.html
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...mentary-228144

Stacyhs 14th September 2020 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13223129)
Trump commenting on climate change at his 'Wildfires' briefing
Trump "It'll start getting cooler, you just watch."
Natural Resources Secretary. "I wish science agreed with you"
Trump "I don't think science knows actually."

He says "exploding trees" are responsible for unprecedented wildfires. "There's no more water pouring through"

I'm surprised he didn't claim to know more than science.

Craig4 14th September 2020 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13223147)

I'm surprised he didn't claim to know more than science.

You missed the press availability with the local officials who briefed him later.

Stacyhs 14th September 2020 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13223153)
You missed the press availability with the local officials who briefed him later.

Did he actually claim that? I didn't watch him. I was having lunch and wanted to keep it down.

Craig4 14th September 2020 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13223129)
Trump commenting on climate change at his 'Wildfires' briefing
Trump "It'll start getting cooler, you just watch."
Natural Resources Secretary. "I wish science agreed with you"
Trump "I don't think science knows actually."

He says "exploding trees" are responsible for unprecedented wildfires. "There's no more water pouring through"

Yeah, so um...what the **** just happened?

Captain_Swoop 14th September 2020 01:26 PM

Trump Tweets

She should be ashamed of herself!
Quote Tweet

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
The widow of Steve Jobs—Laurene Powell Jobs donated at least $500,000 to Joe Biden's campaign this year.
Do you know who owns a majority stake in The Atlantic?

Laurene Powell Jobs.

Captain_Swoop 14th September 2020 01:28 PM

Shameful that a woman can have money and donate donate to whatever she wants.

Captain_Swoop 14th September 2020 01:30 PM

wrong thread

Horatius 14th September 2020 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13223105)
Trump Tweets

Total Fake Poll. ABC is just like the rest of them!

ABC’s Trump In Trouble Poll Surveyed Just 533, Not Likely Voters, Asked Over 20% More Biden Supporters Than Conservatives https://thenationalpulse.com/news/ab...conservatives/ via @TheNatPulse



Wait, what? How is that a complaint? Isn't finding our who they support the whole point of a survey?!?

Aridas 14th September 2020 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B (Post 13222663)
So, we’re at the point where a sitting President suggests the imprisonment of his predecessor. It’s all quite disheartening. And scary.

I'm not sure that that's quite where things have been pushed to, though. Rather, I think that the present progress towards fascism is better represented with this observation.

Convicted criminal Roger Stone, advisor to President Trump, who committed crimes in service to President Trump and who Trump has kept out of jail in response, has now publicly advocated that Trump engage in both openly and blatantly rigging elections and to try to pull off a coup if he loses.

Perhaps it should also be noted that Trump has hinted at being rather amenable to such in the past, IIRC.

Elsewhere, there's a simple MeidasTouch ad out now. Just has repeating audio of Trump pointing out that the economy does better under Democrats and evidence of such being the case.

Safe-Keeper 14th September 2020 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13223208)
Wait, what? How is that a complaint? Isn't finding our who they support the whole point of a survey?!?

It took me a minute, then I literally facepalmed. Holy ****. Just... I...

:covereyes

It's like a bad joke about polling in Soviet Russia or some banana republic. 70% of the public disagrees with State policy? You amateurs, why did you ask more opponents than supporters? We're supposed to get a balanced image of the population's views!"

Armitage72 14th September 2020 02:37 PM

Remember the ICE detainees?

Whistleblower Complaint Alleges Mass Hysterectomies at ICE Detention Center


Quote:

Several legal advocacy groups on Monday filed a whistleblower complaint on behalf of a nurse at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention center documenting “jarring medical neglect” within the facility, including a refusal to test detainees for the novel coronavirus and an exorbitant rate of hysterectomies being performed on immigrant women.

According to the whistleblower, medical staff have been performing hysterectomies with no or questionable consent. For example, a number of patients had the procedure at the same time as being treated for other conditions that they may have not actually had.


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