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Stacyhs 4th February 2021 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13384840)
It's the open anti semitism that concerns me. It is going to be very wierd for GOP Republicans from now on.

Open anti-semitism and open islamaphobia.

The Democrats wouldn't be having to remove her from the committees if the cowardly Republicans had done what they should have done and removed her themselves. The removed Steve King as they should have but not MTG. Cowards.

acbytesla 4th February 2021 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13384840)
It's the open anti semitism that concerns me. It is going to be very wierd for GOP Republicans from now on.

I really don't get anti-semitism. Christianity is built on the Jewish faith. As for Jewish people, outside of ultra-orthodox or Hasidic communities there is little cultural differences these days. I had several Jewish friends in school and had no idea they were Jewish.

Seriously, they are worshipping the same fairy tale god, so why hate them?

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 13384859)
I really don't get anti-semitism. Christianity is built on the Jewish faith. As for Jewish people, outside of ultra-orthodox or Hasidic communities there is little cultural differences these days. I had several Jewish friends in school and had no idea they were Jewish.

Seriously, they are worshipping the same fairy tale god, so why hate them?

They killed Jesus.

ETA: And like Democrats, they eat Christian babies.

ponderingturtle 4th February 2021 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 13384859)
I really don't get anti-semitism. Christianity is built on the Jewish faith. As for Jewish people, outside of ultra-orthodox or Hasidic communities there is little cultural differences these days. I had several Jewish friends in school and had no idea they were Jewish.

Seriously, they are worshipping the same fairy tale god, so why hate them?

They won't share the space lasers with me!!!!!!

Skeptic Ginger 4th February 2021 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13384857)
Open anti-semitism ...

I guess the days when Jews were defended because they have American political clout and fund raising power are over, or at least fading. No more trips to Vegas to kiss Adelson's ring.


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Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 13384859)
I really don't get anti-semitism. ...

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13384885)
They killed Jesus.....

Maybe they secretly agree with Hitler. I don't get it either but I think the 'they killed Jesus' is how they've been led to make Jews a fear monger target.


And she's off the committees. Intelligencer: House Votes to Deny Marjorie Taylor Greene Committee Assignments
This was a weird comment:
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“I was allowed to believe things that weren’t true,” she said. “And that is absolutely what I regret.”
I don't get that. :boggled:

(WA Examiner) Typical of a brat who was kicked off the team for bad sportsmanship:
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“How stupid they are,” Greene told Secrets before Democrats on the House Rules Committee voted to move forward with plans to strip her membership on two panels. “They don’t even realize they’re helping me. I’m pretty amazed at how dumb they are,” added the first-term member.

Instead of being worried about losing her seat on the education and budget panels, the Republican bomb thrower said she is eager to step up her fight against Democrats and Republicans she views as centrists, including the GOP leadership.
I'm not sure what she expected from said GOP colleagues. They didn't have the votes to block the Democrats.


It's clear she had a bigly hard time denying her beliefs or apologizing for them. Too soon I think.

And "all that freetime", I'm picturing her wandering the halls when everyone else has gone to the party.

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 03:21 PM

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I was allowed to believe things that weren’t true,” she said. “And that is absolutely what I regret.”
Rejection of responsibility: It wasn't MY fault!

Skeptic Ginger 4th February 2021 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13384948)
Rejection of responsibility: It wasn't MY fault!

It's still very bizarre wording. "I was misled" also rejects self-blame.

Maybe she's not the most literate person, limited vocabulary and all that.

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13384940)

And she's off the committees. Intelligencer: House Votes to Deny Marjorie Taylor Greene Committee Assignments
This was a weird comment: I don't get that. :boggled:

You're a bit premature. They haven't voted yet. You misinterpreted the headline which is poorly written. It can be read as a fait accompli or as something they are going to do. In this case, it's the latter.

Horatius 4th February 2021 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13384841)
Does anyone doubt that McCarthy told her to lie?



Honestly, the fact that she feels she has to lie actually seems like an improvement to me. A week ago, she had no qualms about saying every stupid thing that came into her head. Today, someone or something prevailed in convincing her that spewing out nonsense was in some manner a bad idea.

That means either she's figured out that her ideas are hurting her (which means she doesn't have the support we worry she might have), or someone else figured that out and actually got her to see it (which also means she doesn't have the support we worry she might have).

The only way we're going to see a decrease in public officials like her supporting this nonsense is if they come to believe supporting nonsense is a losing proposition.

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 03:58 PM

Hoyer just showed the House a huge picture of a tweet MTG sent out showing her holding an AR 15 and "the Squad" behind her titled " The Squad's Worst Nightmare".

grunion 4th February 2021 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 13384859)
I really don't get anti-semitism. Christianity is built on the Jewish faith. As for Jewish people, outside of ultra-orthodox or Hasidic communities there is little cultural differences these days. I had several Jewish friends in school and had no idea they were Jewish.

Seriously, they are worshipping the same fairy tale god, so why hate them?

This is not just garden variety "they killed our Lord Jesus" anti-semitism. These references to the Rothschilds really reek of Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion-league hatred. It is some concocted lie that Jews are hording all the money and power. And the space lasers, apparently.

I have a visceral wince when I see all the memes mocking the Space Laser thing. This needs to be taken seriously.

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 04:31 PM

So far only three R House members have the courage to vote MTG off the committees. Sad. Very, very sad. Just goes to show how far the GOP has fallen.

Skeptic Ginger 4th February 2021 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13384952)
You're a bit premature. They haven't voted yet. You misinterpreted the headline which is poorly written. It can be read as a fait accompli or as something they are going to do. In this case, it's the latter.

News report I read said they did. 100% Party line with 1 Republican and 3 Democrats voting 'present' or something.

Here. I posted the link upthread as well.

See post #455.

Skeptic Ginger 4th February 2021 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13385008)
So far only three R House members have the courage to vote MTG off the committees. Sad. Very, very sad. Just goes to show how far the GOP has fallen.

Weird. We are clearly looking at different news reports.

From my link:
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It passed on a strict party-line vote (with three Democrats and one Republican not voting) following a floor speech by Greene in which the Georgian retracted some of her past outrages, ignored others, and lashed back at her enemies.

Her wording was not terribly repentant, reports the BBC:
Are you looking at the GOP vote which was before the House vote?

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13385013)
News report I read said they did. 100% Party line with 1 Republican and 3 Democrats voting 'present' or something.

Here. I posted the link upthread as well.

OK.... I see the problem. It's a really badly written headline: House Votes to Deny Marjorie Taylor Greene Committee Assignments. It's referring to a vote by the Dems to confirm her seat on the committees not to remove her from them. :D

They just now voted to remove her from them: 230 to 199

eerok 4th February 2021 04:51 PM

Done.

House Removes Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene From Her Committee Assignments [npr.com]

dudalb 4th February 2021 04:53 PM

The GOP is now one with MTG. That is going to help them in the Swing Districts and among Surbuban voters, who have to get to win.

dudalb 4th February 2021 04:53 PM

Yeah,they are in special orders now, it's over.

Skeptic Ginger 4th February 2021 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13385020)
OK.... I see the problem. It's a really badly written headline: House Votes to Deny Marjorie Taylor Greene Committee Assignments. It's referring to a vote by the Dems to confirm her seat on the committees not to remove her from them. :D

They just now voted to remove her from them: 230 to 199

Yeah, not just my bad I guess. :o Damn you reporters and your illiterate headlines. :p

Now the news is reporting about the GOP members who broke ranks and voted against Greene.

dudalb 4th February 2021 04:56 PM

How long until MTG goes back to her old ways? About four days max, I think.

CapelDodger 4th February 2021 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 13384859)
I really don't get anti-semitism. Christianity is built on the Jewish faith.

That's why the Jewish religion survived in Christendom. No other religious minorities were permitted, not even unorthodox Christianity. Christianity is moulded on the Roman Empire, and so is fundamentally intolerant. Jews appear to have been uniquely persecuted in Christianity because it went on so long : other persecutions were quick and complete.

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Seriously, they are worshipping the same fairy tale god, so why hate them?
Racial and political anti-semitism was created in Central Europe in the later 19th Century. It adopted the Protocols from the Russians, where it was actually written against Freemasons : they struck out "Freemason" and substituted "Jew". That was all about nationalism and racial purity - two of the 19th Centuries worst legacies.

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13385041)
Yeah, not just my bad I guess. :o Damn you reporters and your illiterate headlines. :p

Now the news is reporting about the GOP members who broke ranks and voted against Greene.

Yep. Happens to the best of us! :blush::p

CapelDodger 4th February 2021 04:59 PM

It seems inevitable that there'll be a Q faction in the House : the question is who will lead it?

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13385042)
How long until MTG goes back to her old ways? About four days max, I think.

Leopards don't change their spots. She can't help what she is any more than Trump, Cruz, or Lindsey can. She's crazy to the bone.

Darat 4th February 2021 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CapelDodger (Post 13385052)
It seems inevitable that there'll be a Q faction in the House : the question is who will lead it?

P of course

RecoveringYuppy 4th February 2021 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CapelDodger (Post 13385046)
Racial and political anti-semitism was created in Central Europe in the later 19th Century.

Would that be a re-created or resurgence situation? Lutheran Church seems to have "invented" it based on Luther's "The Jews and their Lies". And I don't claim to know enough to say if that would even be the oldest example of institutional widespread antisemitism.

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CapelDodger (Post 13385046)
That's why the Jewish religion survived in Christendom. No other religious minorities were permitted, not even unorthodox Christianity. Christianity is moulded on the Roman Empire, and so is fundamentally intolerant. Jews appear to have been uniquely persecuted in Christianity because it went on so long : other persecutions were quick and complete.

Racial and political anti-semitism was created in Central Europe in the later 19th Century. It adopted the Protocols from the Russians, where it was actually written against Freemasons : they struck out "Freemason" and substituted "Jew". That was all about nationalism and racial purity - two of the 19th Centuries worst legacies.

Romans were incredibly tolerant of other religions. They allowed them to remain as long as they recognized the emperor as a god, too. That was the problem behind their intolerance of Christians: they refused to do so.

Venom 4th February 2021 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13385042)
How long until MTG goes back to her old ways? About four days max, I think.

I predict she will keep quiet about all of the issues that gave her problems.

Hope it dies down if she ignores them long enough. She'll continue to press the "cancel culture" button.

Skeptic Ginger 4th February 2021 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom (Post 13385066)
I predict she will keep quiet about all of the issues that gave her problems.

Hope it dies down if she ignores them long enough. She'll continue to press the "cancel culture" button.

I predict she'll join forces with Gaetz and other Trumpers and fit right in.

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13385072)
I predict she'll join forces with Gaetz and other Trumpers and fit right in.

:thumbsup:

dudalb 4th February 2021 05:16 PM

Some just posted a shot of "Q" from Star Trek with the caption:
"I am angry at stupid Earthlings besmirching my good name".

dudalb 4th February 2021 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom (Post 13385066)
I predict she will keep quiet about all of the issues that gave her problems.

Hope it dies down if she ignores them long enough. She'll continue to press the "cancel culture" button.

i don't. The last thing at earth she wants is to become just another back bencher. She will say and do outrageous things just to keep in the spotlight.

jimbob 4th February 2021 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13385056)
P of course

Interestingly, as far as I understand, the Kiwi slang for meth is "P"

Which I assume is related to pervitin

turingtest 4th February 2021 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13384948)
Rejection of responsibility: It wasn't MY fault!

That, and I guarantee that she wasn't "allowed" to believe that by the mainstream media she and her fellow-travelers are constantly sneering at. Of course, that particular bit of dissonance will never register, much less ever be acknowledged- "oh! I guess I was wrong to trust CT sites and Twitter/Facebook posts for my information." She'll become an atheist baby-eating Democrat before that happens...

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13385081)
i don't. The last thing at earth she wants is to become just another back bencher. She will say and do outrageous things just to keep in the spotlight.

She and Trump are soul mates. I'd say he'd hit on her but she's too old for him at 46.

Bob001 4th February 2021 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13385063)
Romans were incredibly tolerant of other religions. They allowed them to remain as long as they recognized the emperor as a god, too. That was the problem behind their intolerance of Christians: they refused to do so.

They already embrace the Trinity. Couldn't they just add one more?

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13385166)
They already embrace the Trinity. Couldn't they just add one more?

Three's already a crowd. Four's just a damn orgy.

Spektator 4th February 2021 07:58 PM

I predict Marjorie will face some backlash from the conspiranuts and the Q trippers for speaking against the faith.

dirtywick 4th February 2021 08:07 PM

the gop argument with her kind of came down to "we'll deal with our own, dems stay out of it" and then the dems said "ok deal with it then" and then what i imagine was a few hours of begging mccarthy got her to say in the last few hours since she last spoke she realized 9/11 happened like that would smooth everything over

now they have to defend her no matter how outrageous she gets, and she tried pretending to be a normal person pretty briefly and it didn't get her anywhere.

trustbutverify 4th February 2021 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spektator (Post 13385223)
I predict Marjorie will face some backlash from the conspiranuts and the Q trippers for speaking against the faith.

Very few of them, if at all. For the most part, she's a "populist" hero.

grunion 4th February 2021 08:17 PM

Even the most deluded Truther will simply state that “9-11 happened.” She failed to state exactly what happened on 9-11.

smartcooky 4th February 2021 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by trustbutverify (Post 13385232)
Very few of them, if at all. For the most part, she's a "populist" hero.

Yup, they will excuse her because she was forced to speak against the faith or face being cancelled by the the ebil "Deep State"TM child-eating Demoncrats

Regnad Kcin 4th February 2021 09:21 PM

A prediction that over the next few days she’ll be cackling incessantly while watching the small donations flowing into her coffers at Scrooge McDuck volumes.

dudalb 4th February 2021 09:50 PM

She is having a Press COnference tommorow. Should be interesting.

The Great Zaganza 4th February 2021 10:58 PM

How long until 45 realizes that in 2024 the GOP is going to nominate MTG instead of DJT ?

Stacyhs 4th February 2021 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by grunion (Post 13385235)
Even the most deluded Truther will simply state that 9-11 happened. She failed to state exactly what happened on 9-11.

True. She also didn't say that a plane didn't fly into the Pentagon because what she actually said at a conservative conference in 2018 was "there's never any evidence shown for a plane in the Pentagon."

smartcooky 5th February 2021 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13385312)
True. She also didn't say that a plane didn't fly into the Pentagon because what she actually said at a conservative conference in 2018 was "there's never any evidence shown for a plane in the Pentagon."

A distinction without a difference.

Not possible to elaborate without a derail, but there is absolute ****-loads of evidence that it was a plane - only a complete dumb **** CT could ignore it ...

Oh wait, this is MTG we're talking about.. right?

catsmate 5th February 2021 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13384466)
According to news reports on the matter, the Trump faction hurts GOP efforts to take back the House because of the suburban housewife vote.

The vote in the House for Cheney was 145 to 61. The Trump/crazy faction of the GOP is not as big as news coverage makes it seem.

Given that the ballot was secret they would seem to lack moral courage.

catsmate 5th February 2021 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13384783)
Some people just enjoy being Cassandras.

To be fair to The Don (who I always think of as the Time Lord) he lives in Wales and has seen the UK commit economic suicide via Brexit and let a hundred thousand people die from Covid-19. That'd be enough to send anyone into a despair spiral.

catsmate 5th February 2021 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13384841)
Does anyone doubt that McCarthy told her to lie?

Nope. I'm just surprised she went along.

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Originally Posted by portlandatheist (Post 13384844)
She's backpedaling but she is using completely squishy language while doing so: "9/11 did happen" and "school shootings are real" but what she isn't saying is that a plane did hit the pentagon or that the Parkland school shooting was not a false flag and so on and always plays the role of the victim.

Fairly pathetic. No apologies for the threats and no real acknowledgement or acceptance of her stupidity, let alone anything about changing.


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