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Athyrio 16th February 2021 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13396644)
You're from Australia, so I'll forgive your rose colored glasses optimism about the body politic in the USA.


In general, but in particular, the 14th Congressional District of Georgia. I have had ties to it since 1984. My wife's 3 children live there as well as her ex-husband and other relatives. I still have in-laws from a previous marriage who live there. At many Xmas's, Thanksgivings, grandkids birthdays, etc., I have come in contact over the years with a portion of the 14th District, relatives and their neighbors, and be it the small sample that it is, MTG seems certainly an adequate representative of their district. Even if she were to get caught with the pool boy wouldn't sink her.

Norman Alexander 16th February 2021 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Athyrio (Post 13398182)
In general, but in particular, the 14th Congressional District of Georgia. I have had ties to it since 1984. My wife's 3 children live there as well as her ex-husband and other relatives. I still have in-laws from a previous marriage who live there. At many Xmas's, Thanksgivings, grandkids birthdays, etc., I have come in contact over the years with a portion of the 14th District, relatives and their neighbors, and be it the small sample that it is, MTG seems certainly an adequate representative of their district. Even if she were to get caught with the pool boy wouldn't sink her.

They float that well? Standing up in a canoe?

C'mon! Just begging for this! ;)

Stacyhs 17th February 2021 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Athyrio (Post 13398182)
In general, but in particular, the 14th Congressional District of Georgia. I have had ties to it since 1984. My wife's 3 children live there as well as her ex-husband and other relatives. I still have in-laws from a previous marriage who live there. At many Xmas's, Thanksgivings, grandkids birthdays, etc., I have come in contact over the years with a portion of the 14th District, relatives and their neighbors, and be it the small sample that it is, MTG seems certainly an adequate representative of their district. Even if she were to get caught with the pool boy wouldn't sink her.

My condolences.

I was lucky; my dad was adopted out of the panhandle of Florida where his bio father's people live in the 2nd Congressional District. Matt Gaetz is their Rep.
He, and thus, I were saved from that hell.

wareyin 17th February 2021 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Athyrio (Post 13398182)
In general, but in particular, the 14th Congressional District of Georgia. I have had ties to it since 1984. My wife's 3 children live there as well as her ex-husband and other relatives. I still have in-laws from a previous marriage who live there. At many Xmas's, Thanksgivings, grandkids birthdays, etc., I have come in contact over the years with a portion of the 14th District, relatives and their neighbors, and be it the small sample that it is, MTG seems certainly an adequate representative of their district. Even if she were to get caught with the pool boy wouldn't sink her.

I live in the 14th district, although I can literally walk to the 13th district in 5 minutes. Your assessment is accurate.

dudalb 25th February 2021 02:20 PM

Most disgusting act yet from Green:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/polit...ign/index.html

And silence from most of her GOP collegues.
The GOP is ,long term comitting suicide.It has become the party of bigotry.

SuburbanTurkey 25th February 2021 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13409135)
Most disgusting act yet from Green:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/polit...ign/index.html

And silence from most of her GOP collegues.
The GOP is ,long term comitting suicide.It has become the party of bigotry.

The next 2-4 years is going to be a bonanza for this kind of crap. Republicans no longer have to deal with the practical responsibilities of governing, they can just crank this culture war stuff up to 11. MTG is the exact right kind of politician to thrive in this environment of intentional ****-stirring and hatemongering.

Conservatives lost on the matter of gay rights, so now it's time to make trans people into the boogieman.

Stacyhs 25th February 2021 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13409136)
The next 2-4 years is going to be a bonanza for this kind of crap. Republicans no longer have to deal with the practical responsibilities of governing, they can just crank this culture war stuff up to 11. MTG is the exact right kind of politician to thrive in this environment of intentional ****-stirring and hatemongering.

Conservatives lost on the matter of gay rights, so now it's time to make trans people into the boogieman.

Haters gonna hate. It's what they do.

Skeptic Ginger 25th February 2021 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13409135)
Most disgusting act yet from Green:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/polit...ign/index.html

And silence from most of her GOP collegues.
The GOP is ,long term comitting suicide.It has become the party of bigotry.

Apparently Greene gets her 'trusted scientific facts' from Fox News or related sources.

Blue Mountain 26th February 2021 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13409135)
Most disgusting act yet from Green:

Marjorie Taylor Greene posts anti-transgender sign across hall from lawmaker with transgender child [CNN]

And silence from most of her GOP collegues.
The GOP is ,long term comitting suicide.It has become the party of bigotry.

Fixed the lazy link for you.

The Don 26th February 2021 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13409135)
Most disgusting act yet from Green:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/polit...ign/index.html

And silence from most of her GOP collegues.
The GOP is ,long term comitting suicide.It has become the party of bigotry.

Only if you think that there aren't enough bigots to get you elected ;)

newyorkguy 26th February 2021 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13409191)
Haters gonna hate. It's what they do.

The sad part is, this probably plays exceptionally well with grassroots Republicans. trump called Greene a "rising star in the Republican Party."

trump/greene in '24? :(

The Don 26th February 2021 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13409598)
The sad part is, this probably plays exceptionally well with grassroots Republicans. trump called Greene a "rising star in the Republican Party."

trump/greene in '24? :(

I doubt it. President Trump doesn't like sharing the limelight and Marjorie Taylor Greene certainly knows how to grab attention.

Darat 26th February 2021 04:53 AM

The word that describes her is one that the former guy used a lot - “nasty”.

Regardless of her politics she’s just a nasty, petty person.

Craig4 26th February 2021 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13409135)
Most disgusting act yet from Green:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/polit...ign/index.html

And silence from most of her GOP collegues.
The GOP is ,long term comitting suicide.It has become the party of bigotry.

I wish that story had been at the bottom of the hour or not covered at all. It was fine covering the **** when she was losing her committee assignments. Covering her silly, petty little sign though amounted to the news media letting her live rent free in their heads.

Norman Alexander 26th February 2021 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13409135)
Most disgusting act yet from Green:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/polit...ign/index.html

And silence from most of her GOP collegues.
The GOP is ,long term comitting suicide.It has become the party of bigotry.

Oh come on! This is EASY to play! Get a sharpie and add the words "flat Earth" before the word "science" on the moron's poster.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13409135)
Most disgusting act yet from Green:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/polit...ign/index.html

And silence from most of her GOP collegues.
The GOP is ,long term comitting suicide.It has become the party of bigotry.

Disgusting?
The Rep across the hall from Greene displays a symbol of a political position with the expressed intent of making a political rival "look at it every time she opens her door".

Responding to that by displaying an opposing viewpoint on her own door (not a viewpoint promoting genocide, persecution, or discrimination- just an opposing one) is described as "disgusting" behavior.
That about sums up a lot of "our" politics thes days, I guess.

Darat 26th February 2021 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409699)
Disgusting?
The Rep across the hall from Greene displays a symbol of a political position with the expressed intent of making a political rival "look at it every time she opens her door".

Responding to that by displaying an opposing viewpoint on her own door (not a viewpoint promoting genocide, persecution, or discrimination- just an opposing one) is described as "disgusting" behavior.
That about sums up a lot of "our" politics thes days, I guess.

Thatís assuming both are equivalent.

BobTheCoward 26th February 2021 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13409711)
Thatís assuming both are equivalent.

Which they are?

Distracted1 26th February 2021 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13409711)
Thatís assuming both are equivalent.

Clearly, that bastion of unbiased reporting CNN does not think so.

They choose to label the response ( a response in kind, no less) as "antagonizing" before going on to describe how the response was provoked by deliberate, clearly stated trolling.

.....llinois Rep. Marie Newman, whose daughter is transgender, posted a video on Twitter of her hanging the pink and blue transgender pride flag outside her office Wednesday afternoon, captioning that Greene tried to block the act "because she believes prohibiting discrimination against trans Americans is 'disgusting, immoral, and evil,'" adding, "thought we'd put up our Transgender flag so she can look at it every time she opens her door" with winking and transgender flag emojis.

Somehow, that was not "antagonizing".

RecoveringYuppy 26th February 2021 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409699)
Responding to that by displaying an opposing viewpoint on her own door (not a viewpoint promoting genocide, persecution, or discrimination- just an opposing one) is described as "disgusting" behavior.
That about sums up a lot of "our" politics thes days, I guess.

Right, one side does positive things the other side does ugly bigoted disgusting things.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy (Post 13409808)
Right, one side does positive things the other side does ugly bigoted disgusting things.

Actually, One person trolls another- announcing their intent to troll.
The trolled individual responds in kind.

Instead of taking a lesson on the corrosive nature of trolling (a favorite technique of that recently departed "he who's name shall remain unspoken") Useful idiots line up to attack based upon which "side" the participants seem to be on- taking as much liberty with how they choose to hyperbolise the incident as they desire.

Dr. Keith 26th February 2021 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409839)
Actually, One person trolls another- announcing their intent to troll.
The trolled individual responds in kind.

Instead of taking a lesson on the corrosive nature of trolling (a favorite technique of that recently departed "he who's name shall remain unspoken") Useful idiots line up to attack based upon which "side" the participants seem to be on- taking as much liberty with how they choose to hyperbolise the incident as they desire.

Is your position that Newman out-trolled MTG and therefore we should be angry at Newman?

I mean, she hung a flag and that was enough to draw MTG offsides. The game is being played, now it is just a matter of who is the better player.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13409853)
Is your position that Newman out-trolled MTG and therefore we should be angry at Newman?

I mean, she hung a flag and that was enough to draw MTG offsides. The game is being played, now it is just a matter of who is the better player.

Had she hung the flag without announcing that she was doing it to troll her office-mate, the response would not have been appropriate.
The flag is a pretty vague symbol, after all, and could have meant anything.
She chose to give it a more specific meaning when she flat out stated that she was hanging it there to troll Greene.

Greene responded in an exactly appropriate way. In kind, and directly towards the antagonizer (labelled thus, again, because she specifically stated that hanging it there was an attempt to antagonize Greene).

Calling that act "disgusting" contributes nothing, and if anyone should face our ire, it is those who are doing so.

Dr. Keith 26th February 2021 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409863)
Had she hung the flag without announcing that she was doing it to troll her office-mate, the response would not have been appropriate.
The flag is a pretty vague symbol, after all, and could have meant anything.
She chose to give it a more specific meaning when she flat out stated that she was hanging it there to troll Greene.

Greene responded in an exactly appropriate way. In kind, and directly towards the antagonizer (labelled thus, again, because she specifically stated that hanging it there was an attempt to antagonize Greene).

Calling that act "disgusting" contributes nothing, and if anyone should face our ire, it is those who are doing so.

I saw her hanging an ignorant sign, not a flag. What flag did she hang to represent her bigotry? Was it the rebel flag?

varwoche 26th February 2021 09:46 AM

She blames antifa for the insurrection. Meanwhile, one of her best friends was a participant.

Close ally of Marjorie Taylor Greene among those in Capitol mob

tyr_13 26th February 2021 09:56 AM

Some in the GOP are worried that Greene's unreasonable bigotry is making their support for more politely toned bigotry look bad.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13409882)
I saw her hanging an ignorant sign, not a flag. What flag did she hang to represent her bigotry? Was it the rebel flag?

Of course.
If I call someone "ugly", and they respond with "you are not attractive"- it was not a response "in kind" because the words used were not identical.
I shall take that under advisement.

wareyin 26th February 2021 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409863)
Had she hung the flag without announcing that she was doing it to troll her office-mate, the response would not have been appropriate.
The flag is a pretty vague symbol, after all, and could have meant anything.
She chose to give it a more specific meaning when she flat out stated that she was hanging it there to troll Greene.

Wait, is the flag a vague symbol that could mean anything, or is it a trans flag?

Distracted1 26th February 2021 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13409910)
Wait, is the flag a vague symbol that could mean anything, or is it a trans flag?

A flag has a gender identity??

Regnad Kcin 26th February 2021 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13409890)
She blames antifa for the insurrection. Meanwhile, one of her best friends was a participant.

Close ally of Marjorie Taylor Greene among those in Capitol mob

That wouldnít be the polyamorous tantric-sex guru, would it?

Dr. Keith 26th February 2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409900)
Of course.
If I call someone "ugly", and they respond with "you are not attractive"- it was not a response "in kind" because the words used were not identical.
I shall take that under advisement.

If you fly a flag that supports MIA and fallen vets because a relative of yours died as a soldier and they put up a sign that says "He's not a war hero. I like people who didn't get captured." then I would not find that as a response in kind, no matter what is said via twitter.

wareyin 26th February 2021 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409913)
A flag has a gender identity??

You don't realize that flags are symbols?

Distracted1 26th February 2021 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13409985)
If you fly a flag that supports MIA and fallen vets because a relative of yours died as a soldier and they put up a sign that says "He's not a war hero. I like people who didn't get captured." then I would not find that as a response in kind, no matter what is said via twitter.

Nor would I.
Of course, if I publicly proclaimed before I hung that flag that I was doing so in an attempt to "trigger" someone, it would be.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13409991)
You don't realize that flags are symbols?

You took objection to my characterizing the flag as "vague" in meaning.

What specifically does the flag symbolize if that is the case?
Is it possible that flags are only vague symbols- and until/unless I speak up to give it context flying one can mean almost anything?

smartcooky 26th February 2021 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409699)
The Rep across the hall from Greene displays a symbol of a political position human decency with the expressed intent of making a political rival "look at it every time she opens her door". showing support for her own child who has to suffer indignity and discrimination thanks to the vile, inhuman attitudes people like Greene.

FTFY

Darat 26th February 2021 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409806)
Clearly, that bastion of unbiased reporting CNN does not think so.

They choose to label the response ( a response in kind, no less) as "antagonizing" before going on to describe how the response was provoked by deliberate, clearly stated trolling.

.....llinois Rep. Marie Newman, whose daughter is transgender, posted a video on Twitter of her hanging the pink and blue transgender pride flag outside her office Wednesday afternoon, captioning that Greene tried to block the act "because she believes prohibiting discrimination against trans Americans is 'disgusting, immoral, and evil,'" adding, "thought we'd put up our Transgender flag so she can look at it every time she opens her door" with winking and transgender flag emojis.

Somehow, that was not "antagonizing".

I can read the content of both, they are not ethically nor morally equal.

Steve 26th February 2021 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409699)
Disgusting?
The Rep across the hall from Greene displays a symbol of a political position with the expressed intent of making a political rival "look at it every time she opens her door".

Responding to that by displaying an opposing viewpoint on her own door (not a viewpoint promoting genocide, persecution, or discrimination- just an opposing one) is described as "disgusting" behavior.
That about sums up a lot of "our" politics thes days, I guess.

One person displays a symbol that expresses support for the inclusion of some marginalized Americans. The other person responds by displaying a symbol of hatred for those same marginalized Americans. And one or more posters on an internet forum try to argue that those two symbols are equally acceptable in the current American society and political system. No one should be left with any doubt of one of the main problems afflicting the USA today.

Steve 26th February 2021 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409913)
A flag has a gender identity??

Oooh, clever! ................Nah.

wareyin 26th February 2021 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410019)
You took objection to my characterizing the flag as "vague" in meaning.

What specifically does the flag symbolize if that is the case?
Is it possible that flags are only vague symbols- and until/unless I speak up to give it context flying one can mean almost anything?

Specifically, a flag symbolizes support for the thing the flag represents. In the case of a trans flag, it specifically represents support for trans people and trans rights. In the case of a sports team, it represents support for that team.

It does not represent the gender of the flag, or that the flag is a member of the sports team, or that the flag representing a country is either a citizen of that country or that the flag is that country.

I hope this clears up your confusion.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13410020)
FTFY

A pity it has taken this long for her to support her own daughter.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 13410029)
One person displays a symbol that expresses support for the inclusion of some marginalized Americans. The other person responds by displaying a symbol of hatred for those same marginalized Americans. And one or more posters on an internet forum try to argue that those two symbols are equally acceptable in the current American society and political system. No one should be left with any doubt of one of the main problems afflicting the USA today.

Of course.
Because believing that Men and Women are terms with consistent meanings is a form of hatred.
No hyperbole there.

And, is a sign a "symbol"...did you even read the link?

Steve 26th February 2021 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410067)
A pity it has taken this long for her to support her own daughter.

Choosing to add a particular symbol of support at a certain time says absolutely nothing about support prior to that time.

Distracted1 26th February 2021 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 13410073)
Choosing to add a particular symbol of support at a certain time says absolutely nothing about support prior to that time.

Unless, of course, one publicly states! why they are doing it at that time and place.

smartcooky 26th February 2021 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410067)
A pity it has taken this long for her to support her own daughter.


And you know this because.....?

Distracted1 26th February 2021 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409839)
Actually, One person trolls another- announcing their intent to troll.
The trolled individual responds in kind.

Instead of taking a lesson on the corrosive nature of trolling (a favorite technique of that recently departed "he who's name shall remain unspoken") Useful idiots line up to attack based upon which "side" the participants seem to be on- taking as much liberty with how they choose to hyperbolise the incident as they desire.

DP

Steve 26th February 2021 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410068)
Of course.
Because believing that Men and Women are terms with consistent meanings is a form of hatred.
No hyperbole there.

Are you suggesting that there is some question whether Greene is considering the implied nuances in gender identity? She has likely given that topic no thought at all. Greene has made her hatred obvious, put it on display, and is proud of it.

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410068)
And, is a sign a "symbol"...did you even read the link?

Yes, a sign is also a symbol. Semantics like this are merely a feeble attempt at distraction from the issue.

Steve 26th February 2021 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13410074)
Unless, of course, one publicly states! why they are doing it at that time and place.

Simply wrong. Support for her daughter did not start with that public statement, time, and place.

Steve 26th February 2021 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13410080)
And you know this because.....?

Distracted1 does not know this.

Deflection and distraction are not an uncommon tactic when attempts at logical argument are failing.

MRC_Hans 26th February 2021 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Distracted1 (Post 13409863)
Had she hung the flag without announcing that she was doing it to troll her office-mate, the response would not have been appropriate.
The flag is a pretty vague symbol, after all, and could have meant anything.
She chose to give it a more specific meaning when she flat out stated that she was hanging it there to troll Greene.

Greene responded in an exactly appropriate way. In kind, and directly towards the antagonizer (labelled thus, again, because she specifically stated that hanging it there was an attempt to antagonize Greene).

Calling that act "disgusting" contributes nothing, and if anyone should face our ire, it is those who are doing so.

It was trolling and counter-troling. Both successful. The reason most here reject the reaction of Greene is that the other part were promoting freedom from interference, while she called for suppression.

Most of us dislike suppression.

Hans

Distracted1 26th February 2021 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans (Post 13410109)
It was trolling and counter-troling. Both successful. The reason most here reject the reaction of Greene is that the other part were promoting freedom from interference, while she called for suppression.

Most of us dislike suppression.

Hans

I am not getting your meaning with "suppression" and "freedom from interference".
care to elaborate?


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