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sackett 6th December 2021 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13672906)
Has she nominated Ethan Crumbley for the Congressional Medal of Freedom yet? It's only a matter of time.

You think you're joking. I think you're joking. We all think you're joking.

But I don't claim that everybody would think you're joking. We live in a Hieronymus Bosch world now, and nothing is too monstrous to appear.

I'm joking, of course, I think.

Armitage72 7th December 2021 07:11 AM

MTG was one of several right-wing politicians and pundits to declare that a white nationalist rally in DC over the weekend was staged by the Feds. She's never seen "patriot" groups wearing khakis, so they must be fake.

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In December 2021, members of a white nationalist group known as Patriot Front marched at the Lincoln Memorial and other parts of the National Mall in Washington, D.C., wearing face coverings and an improvised uniform of khaki pants and dark blue jackets, and carrying shields and American flags.
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U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., described the men shown in one video as “movie characters”:

“No Patriot group I’ve ever seen wears khakis, Stormtrooper knee pads, and covers their faces like they’re scared. Just more movie characters.”

(The funny part is Jacob Wohl saying that they must be Feds because they were unusually slim. He knows his audience.)

carlitos 7th December 2021 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dummerer than a bag of boeberts
No Patriot group I’ve ever seen wears khakis

The New Uniform of White Supremacy
In Charlottesville, demonstrators turned out in polos and khakis. But their seemingly innocuous clothes spoke volumes.

why white supremacists are co-opting khaki pants
In the leadup to the Unite the Right rally on August 11, neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin, who runs the hate site the Daily Stormer, put out a call for white supremacists attending the march to look "appealing" in an effort to attract "normal" people. "Do not look scraggly," he emphasized, after providing a detailed dress code that recommended button-up shirts and well-cut pants (strictly no shorts). He ended his PSA:

"I cannot stress the point hard enough – I'm hitting italics again – we need to be extremely conscious of what we look like, and how we present ourselves. That matters more than our ideas. If that is sad to you, I'm sorry, but that is just human nature. If people see a bunch of mismatched overweight slobs, they are not going to care what they are saying."

WHY DO MEMBERS OF THE ALT-RIGHT LOVE POLOS AND KHAKIS SO MUCH?
Nearly a year into the Trump era, nobody is surprised by emboldened racists anymore, but what did raise a few questions was their choice of outfit: it quickly became apparent that these slavery enthusiasts had picked out a uniform for themselves that consisted of white polo shirts, khakis and tiki torches – although that last one might not be a permanent fixture of the look.

Fred Perry withdraws polo shirt adopted by far-right Proud Boys
Company distances itself from US fascist group as it halts sales of garment in North America

The fashion brand Fred Perry has pulled one of its famous polo shirt designs after it became associated with a far-right organisation. The company has halted sales of the black and yellow top in the US and Canada, after it was adopted by the neo-fascist organisation the Proud Boys.

In a statement posted to its website, Fred Perry said it was “incredibly frustrating” to see the polo shirt and its laurel wreath logo become associated with the group.

sackett 7th December 2021 08:15 AM

We can shake our heads over the antics in the solemn monkey cage of fascism, both yesterday and today, but those goons gain confidence from adopting uniforms. It makes them feel military.

Just wait, we'll be seeing black shirts again.

Captain_Swoop 7th December 2021 02:26 PM

Marjorie Taylor Greene says January 6 defendants are getting pumped full of "critical race theory training" in jail and are told "they have to denounce President Trump.
They are told that their views are the views of cult members."

Videos in link

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1468282340237619207

dudalb 7th December 2021 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13673928)
MTG was one of several right-wing politicians and pundits to declare that a white nationalist rally in DC over the weekend was staged by the Feds. She's never seen "patriot" groups wearing khakis, so they must be fake.






(The funny part is Jacob Wohl saying that they must be Feds because they were unusually slim. He knows his audience.)

it's not so much they disaprove of the far right rallies, they just think the clothing worn at the rallies are not good from a PR viewpont.

Stacyhs 7th December 2021 06:40 PM

The only explanation for this is that either MTG is nucking futz or she's got an IQ lower than my pothos plant. Or both.

dudalb 7th December 2021 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13674417)
The only explanation for this is that either MTG is nucking futz or she's got an IQ lower than my pothos plant. Or both.

If you had not put or both at the end, I would have said "False Dichomoty.

Norman Alexander 7th December 2021 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13674294)
Marjorie Taylor Greene says January 6 defendants are getting pumped full of "critical race theory training" in jail and are told "they have to denounce President Trump.
They are told that their views are the views of cult members."

Videos in link

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1468282340237619207

Who is she addressing with this putrid pile of possum poo?

Tero 7th December 2021 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13674444)
Who is she addressing with this putrid pile of possum poo?

She has other stuff? I though she just repeats conspiracy theories harvested from trumpster sites?

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The internal survey found that 4 percent of Republican voters in her district said they did not think elections were secure in Georgia and would not vote in future elections, and 6 percent said they were unsure whether their votes would be counted. It did not specifically ask about Georgia conducting an audit of the 2020 election."

Those details certainly matter, though they don't detract from the larger point: Roughly one-in-10 GOP voters in this ruby-red district are skeptical about future elections as a result of absurd conspiracy theories, suggesting it's in Republicans' interest to stop peddling absurd conspiracy theories.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...-poll-n1281827

dudalb 7th December 2021 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13669224)
Some people believe everything they read, I guess. AOC is an attention whore. It is hard to believe anything she says.

And MTG isn't?

dudalb 7th December 2021 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13669641)
Remember what happened to said Madame Defarge.

With AOC as Miss Pross?

Norman Alexander 7th December 2021 08:18 PM

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Some people believe everything they read, I guess. AOC is an attention whore. It is hard to believe anything she says.
She is also not the topic here. MTG is. I checked the heading just to be sure. ;)

grunion 7th December 2021 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13670371)
This stuff is great. On the one hand we have a discussion of how dems need to arm themselves to protect themselves from this gop threat. On the other hand, we have dems wishing death upon gop members.

At some point you might think a moment of introspective thought might occur.

I will freely admit to wishing death upon various gop members throughout history. The difference is, unlike the alt-right, I would never directly threaten nor actually conspire to make my wish come true.

Stacyhs 8th December 2021 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by grunion (Post 13674479)
I will freely admit to wishing death upon various gop members throughout history. The difference is, unlike the alt-right, I would never directly threaten nor actually conspire to make my wish come true.

Yeah...I don't think wishin' and hopin' will get you into their hearts literally.

Jim_MDP 8th December 2021 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13674518)
Yeah...I don't think wishin' and hopin' will get you into their hearts literally.

What?
You're sceptical of the power of "thoughts and prayers"? [emoji15]

.

[emoji1]

Craig4 9th December 2021 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13670371)
This stuff is great. On the one hand we have a discussion of how dems need to arm themselves to protect themselves from this gop threat. On the other hand, we have dems wishing death upon gop members.

At some point you might think a moment of introspective thought might occur.

The attrition of the enemy is never a negative outcome. The only problem is that COVID-19 jumps species so MTG, if she gets it, it could pass it to a human.

Venom 9th December 2021 12:58 AM

Dan Crenshaw Blasts GOP Freedom Caucus: They’re ‘Grifters’ and ‘Performance Artists’

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Speaking at a Texas campaign event on Sunday, Crenshaw took aim at Republican critics who have personally called him out for voting for what they’ve described as a “vaccine database” to track and punish unvaccinated citizens. As the conservative lawmaker noted, what he actually supported was a House bill merely allocating state funds to update immunization information systems.

“You heard online that 80 Republicans voted to track you in a vaccine database,” Crenshaw told Republican voters at the Texas Liberty Alliance PAC event. “If it sounds too ridiculous to be true, it’s probably not true.”
Yeah I think it's a little late for that, Crenshaw.

Stacyhs 9th December 2021 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Venom (Post 13675178)

What? Another Republican in government putting on his big boy pants? Must be something in the water getting through by accident. Damned Dems are probably behind it with their water 'safety regulations' and all.

SuburbanTurkey 9th December 2021 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Venom (Post 13675178)

Man who's campaign ad features him making a combat parachute drop out of an airplane to fight "antifa" says right wingers are a bit ridiculous.

I would agree that some of these people are more absurd than Crenshaw, but it's laughable that there's really any moral or intellectual distinction between where he draws his boundaries and people like MTG. They're all clowns, time will tell which the frothy mouthed right wing base will find more entertaining.

slyjoe 20th December 2021 11:08 AM

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MTG wonders where the breakthrough polio cases are, and gets scorched.

https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-tayl...130739418.html

carlitos 20th December 2021 01:19 PM

Meme fail - has correct apostrophe and commas.

Stacyhs 20th December 2021 04:58 PM

Sarah Palin also refuses to get vaccinated: proof that getting vaccinated is the smart thing to do.

newyorkguy 21st December 2021 03:14 AM

Just for the record, one of the reasons Palin gives for refusing to be vaccinated is, she says she has already had Covid-19 and believes she has natural immunity. Palin was reported as having the virus last March in People magazine.
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March 31, 2021 - Sarah Palin has tested positive for COVID-19, and she's urging others to continue taking the pandemic seriously. The former governor of Alaska and 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee-turned-TV personality confirms in a statement to PEOPLE that she contracted the coronavirus as did some of her family members, including 12-year-old son Trig. link to article in People

The Don 21st December 2021 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13684946)
Just for the record, one of the reasons Palin gives for refusing to be vaccinated is, she says she has already had Covid-19 and believes she has natural immunity. Palin was reported as having the virus last March in People magazine.

If that's the case then she really needs to read up on the latest science, and in particular that related to the Omicron variant. Immunity acquired by infection lasts less than 6 months and doesn't appear to provide very much immunity against Omicron.

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The new report from the Imperial College London COVID-19 response team estimates that the risk of reinfection with the Omicron variant is 5.4 times greater than that of the Delta variant. This implies that the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2326...icron-england/

People hoping that Omicron would be a magic bullet by being highly infectious, but not at all serious are also likely to be disappointed.

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The study finds no evidence of Omicron having lower severity than Delta, judged by either the proportion of people testing positive who report symptoms, or by the proportion of cases seeking hospital care after infection.
OTOH, being triple vaccinated does seem to provide a fair amount of immunity from symptomatic infection even if it isn't perfect.

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Depending on the estimates used for vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection from the Delta variant, this translates into vaccine effectiveness estimates against symptomatic Omicron infection of between 0% and 20% after two doses, and between 55% and 80% after a booster dose. Similar estimates were obtained using genotype data, albeit with greater uncertainty.

Segnosaur 21st December 2021 09:19 AM

In an attempt to show how "Not Racist" the MAGAchud are, MTG resorts to using racist slurs...

From: Business Insider
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia attracted criticism for using a term widely seen as a racial slur in boasting of the racial diversity those who support former President Donald Trump...."When I walked in yesterday, I was like, what kind of people come here?" Greene said. "So I'm walking around and seeing some good people, and I see white people, Black people, brown people, yellow people."...She went on to mock those who accuse the pro-Trump movement of being racist.... Greene's use of the phrase "yellow people" is itself a racist trope, critics pointed out.

Stay classy, MTG.

Maybe she was just channeling the spirit of Inspector Clouseau, who used a similar term when referring to his Asian-born manservant.

But the big question is, do those yellow people control any space lasers?

newyorkguy 21st December 2021 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13684960)
...she really needs to read up on the latest science...

She needs to read the latest science?

:confused:

This is Sarah Palin we're talking about.

JoeMorgue 21st December 2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13685130)
In an attempt to show how "Not Racist" the MAGAchud are, MTG resorts to using racist slurs.

Protip. When a Conservative tries to prove they aren't racist, EVEN WHEN THEY BEING HONEST ABOUT IT, it only means they are trying to prove they could hypothetically be more racist if they really tried.

SuburbanTurkey 21st December 2021 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13684671)
Sarah Palin also refuses to get vaccinated: proof that getting vaccinated is the smart thing to do.

So she claims.

I often find myself wondering which of these right wing losers are actually drinking the conspiratorial flavor-aid, and which are just savvy enough to know you can get the vaccine and lie about it.

JoeMorgue 21st December 2021 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13685324)
So she claims.

I often find myself wondering which of these right wing losers are actually drinking the conspiratorial flavor-aid, and which are just savvy enough to know you can get the vaccine and just lie about it.

Ironically that's also sorta been my secret hope throughout a lot of this as well.

"Ya know can just lie? Got get the vaccine and still brag to all your brainless QAnon buddies about how you didn't?"

Norman Alexander 21st December 2021 02:02 PM

Lying and cheating are second nature to people like MTG. Making **** up has been her stock in trade. That's why she aligns with people like Trump and Gaetz. So much so that it's a pretty safe bet to expect that, right off the bat, anything she says is probably a lie.

mgidm86 21st December 2021 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13685324)
So she claims.

I often find myself wondering which of these right wing losers are actually drinking the conspiratorial flavor-aid, and which are just savvy enough to know you can get the vaccine and lie about it.


Trump got booed a few days ago for telling his flock that he got a booster, so there ya go.

eerok 22nd December 2021 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mgidm86 (Post 13685692)
Trump got booed a few days ago for telling his flock that he got a booster, so there ya go.

Trump is driven by his ego, and he's too stupid to know when to shut up about something. He needs to take credit for the vaccine even if this will make his cult lose faith in him. In contrast, Greene is just a grasping opportunist who knows when to lie.

They're both liars, but they have different priorities.

JoeMorgue 22nd December 2021 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13685324)
So she claims.

I often find myself wondering which of these right wing losers are actually drinking the conspiratorial flavor-aid, and which are just savvy enough to know you can get the vaccine and lie about it.

Oh well the plot... thins.

GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green owns stock in 3 COVID-19 vaccine makers

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The Republican congresswoman reportedly owns stock in Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Johnson&Johnson, all of which make COVID-19 vaccines, and has made income ranging between $201-$1,000 in the stock from each company. Her Pfizer and Johnson&Johnson assets are valued between $15,001 and $50,000 each and AstraZeneca assets are valued between $1,001 and $15,000, according to the Times Free Press.
https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...accine/559944/

kevbo 27th December 2021 06:33 PM

MTG, as has been previously stated, appears to be nothing but an attention whore. And apparently, any attention is better than no attention. Kind of like a toddler. A few days out of the news cycle will lead her to say anything. What a maroon.

This is quoted from a story listed on MSN from Blavity.

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Conspiracy theorist Marjorie Taylor Greene showed her true colors, again, while trying to diminish the meaning of Kwanzaa. Taylor made her latest ignorant statement while responding to a tweet from the College Republicans group, which tweeted "wishing you a happy and prosperous Kwanza."

"Stop. It’s a fake religion created by a psychopath," the conservative said in response to the tweet. "You aren’t bringing in new voters, you are turning them away. People are tired of pandering and BS."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...-AASboOL?ocid=

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Disparaging other people's celebrations sure doesn't seem like a very good way to bring new people in to grow your political party. But then she doesn't seem to be able to say anything nice about anyone that isn't already a deplorable, in my opinion.

Stacyhs 27th December 2021 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kevbo (Post 13689276)
MTG, as has been previously stated, appears to be nothing but an attention whore. And apparently, any attention is better than no attention. Kind of like a toddler. A few days out of the news cycle will lead her to say anything. What a maroon.

This is quoted from a story listed on MSN from Blavity.

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Conspiracy theorist Marjorie Taylor Greene showed her true colors, again, while trying to diminish the meaning of Kwanzaa. Taylor made her latest ignorant statement while responding to a tweet from the College Republicans group, which tweeted "wishing you a happy and prosperous Kwanza."

"Stop. It’s a fake religion created by a psychopath," the conservative said in response to the tweet. "You aren’t bringing in new voters, you are turning them away. People are tired of pandering and BS."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...-AASboOL?ocid=

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Disparaging other people's celebrations sure doesn't seem like a very good way to bring new people in to grow your political party. But then she doesn't seem to be able to say anything nice about anyone that isn't already a deplorable, in my opinion.

All religions are created, Marge. Or do you think they sprang up independently of humans?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...a7bcca19fb.jpg

Foster Zygote 27th December 2021 09:53 PM

Kwanzaa is a religion?

I wonder if MTG is really this ******* stupid, or if she knows she's wrong but understands that she has to appeal to moronic bigots to have any chance of keeping her office. It's feeling like the former to me.

Stacyhs 28th December 2021 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote (Post 13689339)
Kwanzaa is a religion?

I wonder if MTG is really this ******* stupid, or if she knows she's wrong but understands that she has to appeal to moronic bigots to have any chance of keeping her office. It's feeling like the former to me.

Nah, she really is that stupid but she also knows she has to appeal to moronic bigots just like her to keep her seat. One does not necessarily exclude the other.

MRC_Hans 28th December 2021 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13689376)
Nah, she really is that stupid but she also knows she has to appeal to moronic bigots just like her to keep her seat. One does not necessarily exclude the other.

Hadn't heard of it before, but looked it up:

"noun: Kwanzaa
a secular festival observed by many African Americans from 26 December to 1 January as a celebration of their cultural heritage and traditional values."


Can't MTG even use Google?

Hans

bruto 28th December 2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans (Post 13689451)
Hadn't heard of it before, but looked it up:

"noun: Kwanzaa
a secular festival observed by many African Americans from 26 December to 1 January as a celebration of their cultural heritage and traditional values."


Can't MTG even use Google?

Hans

Remember though that for her sort "secular" is a culture war cuss word too, and like so many she probably considers the absence of religion a religion.

My own guess is that she really is more stupid than she seems because unlike many who realize it and rue it she cultivates it. Some struggle as they sink while she pulls from below.

carlitos 28th December 2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13689700)
Remember though that for her sort "secular" is a culture war cuss word too, and like so many she probably considers the absence of religion a religion.

Is that First Reformed Secular or California Synod Secular?

shemp 28th December 2021 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by carlitos (Post 13689763)
Is that First Reformed Secular or California Synod Secular?

"First Reformed Secular"

"First Reformed Secular Northern or First Reformed Secular Southern?"

"First Reformed Secular Northern"

"First Reformed Secular Northern Convention of 1873 or First Reformed Secular Northern Convention of 1912?"

"First Reformed Secular Northern Convention of 1912?"

"First Reformed Secular Northern Convention of 1912 Conservative Rite or First Reformed Secular Northern Convention of 1912 Liberal Rite?"

"First Reformed Secular Northern Convention of 1912 Liberal Rite"

"DIE HEATHEN SCUM!!!"

With a tip o' the hat to Emo Philips.

eerok 28th December 2021 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13689700)
Remember though that for her sort "secular" is a culture war cuss word too, and like so many she probably considers the absence of religion a religion.

I suspect she's too narcissistic to actually be religious. She just likes to throw crap at the wall to see what sticks.

bruto 28th December 2021 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by eerok (Post 13689922)
I suspect she's too narcissistic to actually be religious. She just likes to throw crap at the wall to see what sticks.

I imagine she thinks she is, just as did those Frederick Douglass so eloquently sliced and diced. You have to be standing a bit aside to notice that they are the wall.

Stacyhs 28th December 2021 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13689950)
I imagine she thinks she is, just as did those Frederick Douglass so eloquently sliced and diced. You have to be standing a bit aside to notice that they are the wall.

Ah....that reminds me of this little blast from the past:

“Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more, I notice.”

(Donald "I have a very good brain" Trump)

Trebuchet 28th December 2021 05:45 PM

Margerine: Fake butter.
Margorie: Fake American.

Parsman 29th December 2021 03:55 AM

A wee Jewish guy is visiting friends in Glasgow, Scotland. Walking home one night he sees these two big bruisers coming towards him. "Hey pal!" one of them shouts "Are you a Protestant or a Catholic?" He has heard of the religious troubles in West Scotland so he is very relieved to be able to reply "I am Jewish." The two guys look at him for a moment, then say to him "Aye, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?"

Religious nuts exist the world over and like MTG are all crazy. Io Saturnalia

Horatius 29th December 2021 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kevbo (Post 13689276)
Disparaging other people's celebrations sure doesn't seem like a very good way to bring new people in to grow your political party. But then she doesn't seem to be able to say anything nice about anyone that isn't already a deplorable, in my opinion.

At this point, it's not about bringing in new people, it's about hardening their support with the people they already have.

Getting new people would require them to consider taking some new positions, and they've shown they have absolutely zero interest in that.

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Originally Posted by Parsman (Post 13690219)
A wee Jewish guy is visiting friends in Glasgow, Scotland. Walking home one night he sees these two big bruisers coming towards him. "Hey pal!" one of them shouts "Are you a Protestant or a Catholic?" He has heard of the religious troubles in West Scotland so he is very relieved to be able to reply "I am Jewish." The two guys look at him for a moment, then say to him "Aye, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?"

Religious nuts exist the world over and like MTG are all crazy. Io Saturnalia

There's also the punchline, "Well, aren't we just the luckiest Muslims in all Scotland!", although I heard it as Ireland way back when.

kevbo 29th December 2021 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13690240)
At this point, it's not about bringing in new people, it's about hardening their support with the people they already have.

Getting new people would require them to consider taking some new positions, and they've shown they have absolutely zero interest in that.
...

Which brings up the whole issue of voter disenfranchising, gerrymandering, etc., since they can't win on just their base. Not all of them are as stupid as MTG. They have a way that has worked in the past, and are trying to improve on it. Hence the need to pass the federal voter protection legislation.

bruto 29th December 2021 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kevbo (Post 13690635)
Which brings up the whole issue of voter disenfranchising, gerrymandering, etc., since they can't win on just their base. Not all of them are as stupid as MTG. They have a way that has worked in the past, and are trying to improve on it. Hence the need to pass the federal voter protection legislation.

True enough, but those also don't need to attract many new people if they can limit the vote to their base. Maybe not as stupid as MTG but that still leaves a lot of room.


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