Science cannot explain consciousness, therefore....
If materialism is true, then consciousness arising from a lump of meat is an ongoing miracle which science has utterly failed to explain. And probably never will. |
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Wait,I think I'm mixing up materialism with just skepticism. |
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My enduring default atheism is the failure of theism to convince me it's true (or even possibly true). I simply don't accept/believe the silly childish tales of magic and miracles and the promises of eternal bliss and threats of eternal wailing and gnashing of teeth. Complete lack of credibility has always been the Achilles heel of theism. |
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I know materialism adherents think something will eventually pan out, but the top contender right now is ITT, which has tremendous problems. My view is that if progress hasn't been made by now, it probably won't be made at all and materialism will end up on the ash-heap of failed scientific theories. Quote:
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Here is one definition. 'a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency' Just because science cannot fully explain something at this time doesn't mean it is is divine. The way you use the term miracle is basically a cacthall for what you cannot explain. What's wrong with saying 'it's cool and we just don't know'? By filling in the gaps of human knowledge with words like god or miracle, you have surrendered. You might as well say 'fairies did it', or 'it was magic'. They are totally interchangeable with God and miracles. |
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Materialism - Hit yourself hard on the head with a material club. Theism - Do whatever you can with whatever you can find of theism. :duck: |
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ETA - A friendly reminder . . . This thread is addressed to atheists and asks them whether their atheism is predominately preserved by either science or the failure of theism to convert them into theists. |
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A John Frumist would simply take the existence of cargo (and its creation by the ancestors) as a matter of faith.
What else can believers do, after all? |
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"I can tell you everything you need to know, using science!" "OK, how do brains produce consciousness?" "Eh..." |
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What else can innocent, gullible, trusting children do, after all? |
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Lovely straw man "I can tell you everything.......", as part of a general logic cluster-****. Atheism can be utterly detached from science, and even without any science at all on the planet, the credulous would ask "this god-thing of yours: got any evidence?" That's all it needs for atheism to be the logical position: a search for the evidence behind theistic doctrines and claims. "Got nothing to back that up? OK, then come back to me when you have".....and you've got another atheist. - Seems to me that every single thread on atheism boils down to theists getting their knickers in a twist over the word "belief" (or "faith") and when they can't get to redefine it to suit their argument they end up with god-of-the-gaps and science-doesn't-know-everything. Almost like they never learn. |
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I don't think you're holding a very consistent standard. |
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As opposed to ' theism not coming up empty '?
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It's not about theism v science. It's not about theism v atheism. It's ONLY about theism v credibility. |
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Every other theory is in itself unexplainable.and really is worthless. By calling it a miracle or an act of a God or a spirit is really a cheat. The correct answer to a unexplained question is 'we don't know'. Not unproven bs we couldn't possibly understand. |
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Oh, and theism doesn't explain anything (you said as much yourself), so, by your own argument, wouldn't you start looking around for an alternative? |
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ETA: or idealism: perhaps there isn't any material stuff at all and everything is a projection of the mind. |
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Until then, I will continue to point out this glaring flaw. |
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You can't explain Gods, miracles, mysticism or anything supernatural either. Can you? Answering a mystery with another mystery doesn't get you an inch closer to what the answer is, so why not just admit you don't know? |
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